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[MisterJB]

Morrigan says it best:
"Some people fear change and they will fight it with every fiber of their being."

[Gorkan86]

The Angry One wrote...

Gorkan86 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Gorkan86 wrote...

They obviously do not husks.
Of course, if you so wish, so be it. I'm not trying to convince anyone.
I did not choose Synthesis. But I know what I saw on the screen when watching Synthesis cutscenes on YouTube.

They are husks. That the Reapers allow them to keep their personalities intact (presumably) in their new order is irrelevant.
They are as the Reapers wish them to be.

Okay, we've seen technological pattern on the leaves of trees. Why reapers make husks of the plants? Helped them to ascend?

To eliminate all organic life and rewrite it into Reaper approved hybrid life.

More like the opposite. Organic life is preserved in its original form, no synthetic iron leaves and twigs. Technological pattern only shows new acquired qualities.

[Rhayak]

The Angry One wrote...

They are husks. That the Reapers allow them to keep their personalities intact (presumably) in their new order is irrelevant.
They are as the Reapers wish them to be.

.... uhm... no they are not. What the reapers want(ed) is dissolve them to form new reapers. Does that happen in synthesis? No.

[translationninja]

So I just figured by the logic proposed by some in here, we must never achieve the pinnacle of evolution, cuz otherwise we're reapers.

Because Harby said so....

[The Angry One]

Gorkan86 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Gorkan86 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Gorkan86 wrote...

They obviously do not husks.
Of course, if you so wish, so be it. I'm not trying to convince anyone.
I did not choose Synthesis. But I know what I saw on the screen when watching Synthesis cutscenes on YouTube.

They are husks. That the Reapers allow them to keep their personalities intact (presumably) in their new order is irrelevant.
They are as the Reapers wish them to be.

Okay, we've seen technological pattern on the leaves of trees. Why reapers make husks of the plants? Helped them to ascend?

To eliminate all organic life and rewrite it into Reaper approved hybrid life.

More like the opposite. Organic life is preserved in its original form, no synthetic iron leaves and twigs. Technological pattern only shows new acquired qualities.

You're joking right? Organic life is GONE. It's DEAD. The hybrid life replaces it. All of it. Forever.

[The Angry One]

translationninja wrote...

So I just figured by the logic proposed by some in here, we must never achieve the pinnacle of evolution, cuz otherwise we're reapers.

Because Harby said so....

There's no such thing as a pinnacle of evolution.

[The Angry One]

MisterJB wrote...

Morrigan says it best:
"Some people fear change and they will fight it with every fiber of their being."

Indeed. Like the Reapers. So they decided to trick Shepard into making everything like them.
Now there will be no more change. Just the order of the Reapers.

Uniformity everlasting.

[translationninja]

The Angry One wrote...


You're joking right? Organic life is GONE. It's DEAD. The hybrid life replaces it. All of it. Forever.

I'm a great fan of trying to stay civilized on the interwebz but now you're just out there. Where on earth does it say everyone is dead and replaced???

Defiance is a curious thing, it can be great and heroic but also incredibly......(censored for politeness)

[Baronesa]

translationninja wrote...

So I just figured by the logic proposed by some in here, we must never achieve the pinnacle of evolution, cuz otherwise we're reapers.

Because Harby said so....

There is no pinnacle of evolution...

evolution is UNGUIDED AND HAS NO END GOAL.

Natural selection would never stop from happening... we are all transitional species.

THERE. IS. NO. PINNACLE. OF. EVOLUTION.


For more, please go to talkorigins...


*Petpeeve hits Baronesa for 10000 dmg. Baronesa dies*

[Gorkan86]

The Angry One wrote...
You're joking right? Organic life is GONE. It's DEAD. The hybrid life replaces it. All of it. Forever.

If you believe in that you also have to believe that all synthetic life forms, even reapers, are gone too.

[Ridwan]

Life is a beautiful natural thing, picking Synthesis would be like taking a warm disgusting dump over small kittens, point and then laugh at it. "You're nothing special, you're not beautiful" then following it up, by hacking the limbs of the kitten and inserting metal parts to it. "Now you look pretty" and let's not forget we scramble their brains so they completely forget what happened.

Modifié par M25105, 03 juillet 2012 - 10:50 .

[The Angry One]

Gorkan86 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...
You're joking right? Organic life is GONE. It's DEAD. The hybrid life replaces it. All of it. Forever.

If you believe in that you also have to believe that all synthetic life forms, even reapers, are gone too.

Yes, all synthetics are gone now too. Replaced by this hybrid mush.
Reapers? They were already hybrids. Everything else has changed to become like them.

[v TricKy v]

MisterJB wrote...

v TricKy v wrote...
Do you know what I find funny?
You are saying there are events that we just dont know because they dont get shown. At the same time you are denying exactly that in the refuse ending. As a matter of fact you see NOTHING after it cuts to black.
So its ok for you to assume things in the other endings but not in the refuse ending?

The greatest tactical minds in the ME universe and their mothers insist how it is impossible to defeat the Reapers without the Crucible. Shepard refuses to use it.
It is a quite safe assumption the Reapers won. It is also corroborated by the unique Stargazer scene.

The Council and Amabassor Udina didnt believed in the Reaper threat at all ME1 but you still refused. It´s also not a fact that everyone died just like you and other people keep insisting. If power wouldnt have failed there would have been ten tousands of Prothean surviviors. Stargazer also says that we fought a war so they didnt have to.
Yeah sounds like everyone just dropped dead and nothing else happened at all.

Modifié par v TricKy v, 03 juillet 2012 - 10:52 .

[Krunjar]

Also evolution is not a straight line. There are lots of reasons to pick synthesis. But honestly im getting so tired of repeating them only to have them shouted down by people bogged down in their own sense of personal purity or conventional morality. The situation shepard is in is beyond both.

[shodiswe]

The Angry One, This has nothing to do with the reapers husks or their reaper constructs. Synthesis and control has nothign to do with it. The reapers and husks were simply the cleaning crew for the lab work.

I can see if you found their methods questionable and monsterous. However in the very moment Shepard stands there, shepard has a choice to make.
Synthesis doesn't huskify the people, it gives everyone the equivalent of electricity, TV, computers and internet. Improved standards of living and better understanding, it doesn't erradicate individuals or individual tohughts or dreams, but empowers them with the tools to accomplish more.
However the boon and technological advacne and gift was gained though barbaric and immoral methods. This taints the research, ethically. Do you support this kind of Research? It's similar to Maelons genophage cure data that could save Eve, but on a much larger scale.

Control is the option to reject the research and arrest/kill the catalyst and put the reapers into community service, repairing the material damage caused, and ensuring it doesn't happen again.

Destroy is the path of vengeans, killign the catalyst the reapers and billions of innocent synthetics aswell as causing material damage to technology aroudn the galaxy, including the relays. Which wont be repaired as easily and will take mroe work from the galactic community.

Shepard as a spectre, alliance officer and spokesman/woman for the allied forces and the one who brought abotu this change has democratic representative power to make this choice. It's in the job descriotion of a spectre until the council says otherwise, it's also in the jobdescription of a diplomat and hero that has managed to unite every specis in the galaxy.

You have the democratic representative right and responsibility to represent the interests of the galaxy. Trillions of lives are depending on your choice. Lets hope you got what it takes to make the right choice.

Rejection is not a choice, is more like Hitler telling Rommel to fight to the last man when outnumbered 2 to 1, instead of considering other available options. Or when they were eventualy outnumbered 10 to 1. It's the choice of a madman.

Modifié par shodiswe, 03 juillet 2012 - 10:53 .

[MisterJB]

The Angry One wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Morrigan says it best:
"Some people fear change and they will fight it with every fiber of their being."

Indeed. Like the Reapers. So they decided to trick Shepard into making everything like them.
Now there will be no more change. Just the order of the Reapers.

Uniformity everlasting.

Despite everyone still being different, thinking diffirently, having different cultures, advancing in way that were unthinkable before.
Uniformity, stagnation. Somehow.

[The Angry One]

MisterJB wrote...

Despite everyone still being different, thinking diffirently, having different cultures, advancing in way that were unthinkable before.
Uniformity, stagnation. Somehow.

All connected to the Reapers. All hybrids. No more synthetics and organics. The same. Uniformity.

[translationninja]

Baronesa wrote...

translationninja wrote...

So I just figured by the logic proposed by some in here, we must never achieve the pinnacle of evolution, cuz otherwise we're reapers.

Because Harby said so....

There is no pinnacle of evolution...

evolution is UNGUIDED AND HAS NO END GOAL.

Natural selection would never stop from happening... we are all transitional species.

THERE. IS. NO. PINNACLE. OF. EVOLUTION.

Sorry, I am with Dawkins on that one, if there is no benefit a mutation will bring over prevalent traits, evolution becomes unecessary. Nature is incredibly efficient, left to its own devices it cuts out everything that is unecessary.

A perfect equilibrium of an environment and its inhabitants will massively slow down evolution, so to assume it could stop is not far fetched.


For more, please go to talkorigins...


*Petpeeve hits Baronesa for 10000 dmg. Baronesa dies*

Wonder why my reply just disappeared. And, I beg to differ. Once a perfect equilibrium between an environment and its inhabitants is achieved (if that is possible is purely hypothetical) mutations would presumably not offer any benefit over prevailing traits, hence become unnecessary.

Nature, left to it's own devices, is incredibly efficient when it comes to cutting out that which doesn't serve a purpose. 

Modifié par translationninja, 03 juillet 2012 - 10:55 .

[Fawx9]

MisterJB wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Morrigan says it best:
"Some people fear change and they will fight it with every fiber of their being."

Indeed. Like the Reapers. So they decided to trick Shepard into making everything like them.
Now there will be no more change. Just the order of the Reapers.

Uniformity everlasting.

Despite everyone still being different, thinking diffirently, having different cultures, advancing in way that were unthinkable before.
Uniformity, stagnation. Somehow.

If everyone thinks and feels the same as before why does that stop the "conflict"?

[Femlob]

shodiswe wrote...

Rejection is not a choice, is more like Hitler telling Rommel to fight to the last man when outnumbered 2 to 1, instead of considering other available options. Or when they were eventualy outnumbered 10 to 1. It's the choice of a madman.

At least it doesn't require space magic to explain.

[The Angry One]

shodiswe wrote...

The Angry One, This has nothing to do with the reapers husks or their reaper constructs. Synthesis and control has nothign to do with it. The reapers and husks were simply the cleaning crew for the lab work.

I can see if you found their methods questionable and monsterous. However in the very moment Shepard stands there, shepard has a choice to make.
Synthesis doesn't huskify the people, it gives everyone the quivalent of electrcity, TV, computers and internet. Improved standards of living and better understanding, it doesn't erradicate individuals or individual tohughts or dreams, but empowers them with the tools to accomplish more.
However the boon and technological advacne and gift was gained though barbaric and immoral methods. This taints the research, ethically. Do you support this kind of Research? It's similar to Maelons genophage cure data that could save Eve, but on a much larger scale.

Control is the option to reject the research and arrest/kill the catalyst and put the reapers into community service, repairing the material damage caused, and ensuring it doesn't happen again.

Destroy is the path of vengeans, killign the catalyst the reapers and billions of innocent synthetics aswell as causing material damage to technology aroudn the galaxy, including the relays. Which wont be repaired as easily and will take mroe work from the galactic community.

Shepard as a spectre, alliance officer and spokesman/woman for the allied forces and the one who brought abotu this change has democratic representative power to make this choice. It's in the job descriotion of a spectre until the council says otherwise, it's also in the jobdescription of a diplomat and hero that has managed to unite every specis in the galaxy.

You have the democratic representative right and responsibility to represent the interests of the galaxy. Trillions of lives are depending on your choice. Lets hope you got what it takes to make the right choice.

The right choice is never synthesis. All you're doing is sugar-coating it. "It'll improve everything!".
Yeah. That's what spacebaby says about being turned into Reaper goo too. "Ascension" it calls it.
Do not try to counter my arguments with propaganda. It's galactic scale huskification, and it's forced. Nobody has the right to do that.

Rejection is not a choice, is more like Hitler telling Rommel to fight to the last man when outnumbered 2 to 1, instead of considering other available options. Or when they were eventualy outnumbered 10 to 1. It's the choice of a madman.

When the alternative is surrender to beings who think you nothing more than construction material? Please.

[Gorkan86]

The Angry One wrote...

Gorkan86 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...
You're joking right? Organic life is GONE. It's DEAD. The hybrid life replaces it. All of it. Forever.

If you believe in that you also have to believe that all synthetic life forms, even reapers, are gone too.

Yes, all synthetics are gone now too. Replaced by this hybrid mush.
Reapers? They were already hybrids. Everything else has changed to become like them.

Only they did not look like the reapers. This is a different process. 

[shodiswe]

Fawx9 wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Morrigan says it best:
"Some people fear change and they will fight it with every fiber of their being."

Indeed. Like the Reapers. So they decided to trick Shepard into making everything like them.
Now there will be no more change. Just the order of the Reapers.

Uniformity everlasting.

Despite everyone still being different, thinking diffirently, having different cultures, advancing in way that were unthinkable before.
Uniformity, stagnation. Somehow.

If everyone thinks and feels the same as before why does that stop the "conflict"?

Better communication, information, knowledge, understanding...  Also if hybrids kills hybrids then tis no logner about Organcis and sythietics fighting... The catalysts work is done, but understanding helps when trying to prevent fighting violence and war..

[MisterJB]

[quote] v TricKy v wrote...
The greatest tactical minds in the ME universe and their mothers insist how it is impossible to defeat the Reapers without the Crucible. Shepard refuses to use it.
It is a quite safe assumption the Reapers won. It is also corroborated by the unique Stargazer scene.[/quote]
The Council and Amabassor Udina didnt believed you either in ME1 but you still refused.[/quote]
And if Shepard had refused to use the Fifth Fleet, we would have lost. And if Shepard had refused to work with Cerberus, we would have lost.
Now, if Shepard refuses to use the Crucible, we lose.

[quote]It´s also not a fact that everyone died just like you and other people keep insisting. If power wouldnt have failed there would have been ten tousands of Prothean surviviors. Stargazer also says that we fought a war so they didnt have to.
Yeah sounds like everyone just dropped dead and nothing else happened at all.
[/quote]
Oh, I'm certain Bioware didn't show what happened next exactly to give those who pick Refusal room to imagine we won/survived.
But the Stargazer scenes makes it quite clear only the archives lasted into this new cycle.

[legion999]

Gorkan86 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Gorkan86 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...
You're joking right? Organic life is GONE. It's DEAD. The hybrid life replaces it. All of it. Forever.

If you believe in that you also have to believe that all synthetic life forms, even reapers, are gone too.

Yes, all synthetics are gone now too. Replaced by this hybrid mush.
Reapers? They were already hybrids. Everything else has changed to become like them.

Only they did not look like the reapers. This is a different process. 

Same result. The Reaper's idea of perfection and the 'pinnacle' of evolution.