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[Pantegana]

translationninja wrote...

Pantegana wrote...

translationninja wrote...

Pantegana wrote...

Except that those Germans were not immortal spaceborn machines O_o

That makes even less sense, if they are "only" machines, then what is the purpose of destroying them after they have been reprogrammed?

Didn't say they're "only" machines. I said they are immortal, spaceborn machines. And I might add with a strong aptituded for indoctrinating organic lifeforms with the purposes enslaving them and SYNTHESIZING them with machines.

Okay, point taken, but you do acknowledge that these machines are indeed machines and that they in fact have been repurposed/reprogrammed/completely changed?

I aknowledge that they are machines we know nothing about and that the starbrat says they've been repurposed/reprogrammed.
And mom always said not to trust strangers.

Since I wouldn't wanna take the risk of ending indocrtinated "the nice way", I rather turn their asses into "actual dust".

[Forbry]

The Angry One wrote...

Forbry wrote...

Your parents didn't ask you first if you wanted to be born. They just decided that for you. O f course, being born and synthesis isn't the same, but I think it is a damn good analogy for thinking different about "force" in this case.

You have no rights if you don't exist.
I'm amazed you don't seem to understand this concept.

I'm NOT amazed you do not understand this concept 

[The Angry One]

10110001110100 wrote...

Also, as a side note. Those husks etc that seem to regain sentience... What about those ones patched together from multiple species like the Brutes and Cannibals? You think those abominations are going to re-integrate peacefully into society as happy well adjusted individuals?

This is the kind of thought NIGHTMARES are made of.

You know what? In the end, it's not about revenge. It's not about getting back at the Reapers, it's about putting these poor creatures to rest. Synthesis doesn't do that. Synthesis spits on them, validates their existence as grotesque mutilated beings and rewards the Reapers for doing it.

No. Just no.

[The Angry One]

Forbry wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Forbry wrote...

Your parents didn't ask you first if you wanted to be born. They just decided that for you. O f course, being born and synthesis isn't the same, but I think it is a damn good analogy for thinking different about "force" in this case.

You have no rights if you don't exist.
I'm amazed you don't seem to understand this concept.

I'm NOT amazed you do not understand this concept 

Nice counter argument there. I understand it fully. Synthesis violates fully intelligent, independant beings and makes them something else without their consent, body and mind.
Conception is an act of creation. The ovum do not get to vote.

[Alushadow]

The Angry One wrote...

Because the Reapers win. Forever.

/thread

and the fact that you
1. die after 5 years of story and countless hours of gameplay

2.you force everyone in the galaxy to become walking toasters without asking anyone
that is basically everything this game stood against

3.you remove all diversity from the universe which is an abomination

4.we already played deus ex we already faced the deus ex machina more then once
we dont need them to win another game thank you

[The Angry One]

Alushadow wrote...


2.you force everyone in the galaxy to become walking toasters without asking anyone
that is basically everything this game stood against

Obligatory:

[LTKerr]

McCredie64 wrote...

Because it's a terrible concept, it's like the writers are trying to say that the only way everyone can get along is to make them all the same. Homogenization I believe it's called. For example, it's as if they're telling us the best solution to stopping racism is to make everyone white.

Mostly this.
For me both Geth and EDI are already alive, I don't need to merge synthetics and organics (destroying the uniqueness and imperfections of every race in the process) to prove it. Synthesis is a huge "no, they cannot live together". If Bioware want an ending where synthetics are treated as organics they just needed to include an ending where the Geth have a seat in the Council (Krogan and Quarians as well). It's that simple.

[Pantegana]

The Angry One wrote...

Alushadow wrote...


2.you force everyone in the galaxy to become walking toasters without asking anyone
that is basically everything this game stood against

Obligatory:

Ya know, this toaster now has rights O_o

[translationninja]

Pantegana wrote...

translationninja wrote...

Pantegana wrote...

translationninja wrote...

Pantegana wrote...

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I aknowledge that they are machines we know nothing about and that the starbrat says they've been repurposed/reprogrammed.
And mom always said not to trust strangers.

Since I wouldn't wanna take the risk of ending indocrtinated "the nice way", I rather turn their asses into "actual dust".

Fair and square answer that doesn't pretend to be something it isn't. I can accept that good sir. We have found enough common ground to agree to disagree.

[Alushadow]

Edit: Post removed. 

Modifié par Chris Priestly, 03 juillet 2012 - 07:49 .

[Forbry]

The Angry One wrote...

Forbry wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Forbry wrote...

Your parents didn't ask you first if you wanted to be born. They just decided that for you. O f course, being born and synthesis isn't the same, but I think it is a damn good analogy for thinking different about "force" in this case.

You have no rights if you don't exist.
I'm amazed you don't seem to understand this concept.

I'm NOT amazed you do not understand this concept 

Nice counter argument there. I understand it fully. Synthesis violates fully intelligent, independant beings and makes them something else without their consent, body and mind.
Conception is an act of creation. The ovum do not get to vote.

I do not want to be rude or attack you, but of all the "destroyers" here, you do come across as the most "rigid" one. The one that is the most unwilling to keep an open mind. And no, that does not mean you have to agree with me or agree with synthesis .

[Forbry]

The Angry One wrote...

Alushadow wrote...


2.you force everyone in the galaxy to become walking toasters without asking anyone
that is basically everything this game stood against

Obligatory:

LOL!

[Alushadow]

Forbry wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Forbry wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Forbry wrote...

Your parents didn't ask you first if you wanted to be born. They just decided that for you. O f course, being born and synthesis isn't the same, but I think it is a damn good analogy for thinking different about "force" in this case.

You have no rights if you don't exist.
I'm amazed you don't seem to understand this concept.

I'm NOT amazed you do not understand this concept 

Nice counter argument there. I understand it fully. Synthesis violates fully intelligent, independant beings and makes them something else without their consent, body and mind.
Conception is an act of creation. The ovum do not get to vote.

I do not want to be rude or attack you, but of all the "destroyers" here, you do come across as the most "rigid" one. The one that is the most unwilling to keep an open mind. And no, that does not mean you have to agree with me or agree with synthesis .

you are the guy who thinks to create life
is similar to "forcing " someone to accept your way

you don't want me to explain to you what it means sir
better shut it since you are deluded

[The Angry One]

Forbry wrote...


I do not want to be rude or attack you, but of all the "destroyers" here, you do come across as the most "rigid" one. The one that is the most unwilling to keep an open mind. And no, that does not mean you have to agree with me or agree with synthesis .

Not destroyer, rejector with destroy leanings.

I'm no more rigid than Mass Effect itself is on the subject before synthesis pops up out of nowhere.
It just doesn't fit any theme prior to that, promotes Reaper victory and is a violation of everyone's rights as sapient beings who, you know, exist and all.

[Forbry]

Modifié par Chris Priestly, 03 juillet 2012 - 07:49 .

[v TricKy v]

The Angry One wrote...

Alushadow wrote...


2.you force everyone in the galaxy to become walking toasters without asking anyone
that is basically everything this game stood against

Obligatory:

*Guy walks into the kitchen because he is hungry*
Toaster: "I am alive"
Guy: "WTF"

Modifié par v TricKy v, 03 juillet 2012 - 08:46 .

[Reptilian Rob]

Forbry wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Forbry wrote...

Someone else on this forum put down this idea (sorry, don't know where I've read it or who wrote it), but I really felt that person had a very good point:

You didn't ask to be born. So do you think your parents have violated you, commit some gruesome act by creating your existence?

Horrible analogy, when you are born you havn't known anything else outside of that nanosecond before.

With synthesis you are forcibly changing people who have been alive for a very long time, some far into adulthood. 

Your parents didn't ask you first if you wanted to be born. They just decided that for you. O f course, being born and synthesis isn't the same, but I think it is a damn good analogy for thinking different about "force" in this case.

I wasn't asked, because I wasn't cognitive enough to make a conclusion. The people you synthesized had that ability. 

[Forbry]

The Angry One wrote...

Forbry wrote...


I do not want to be rude or attack you, but of all the "destroyers" here, you do come across as the most "rigid" one. The one that is the most unwilling to keep an open mind. And no, that does not mean you have to agree with me or agree with synthesis .

Not destroyer, rejector with destroy leanings.

I'm no more rigid than Mass Effect itself is on the subject before synthesis pops up out of nowhere.
It just doesn't fit any theme prior to that, promotes Reaper victory and is a violation of everyone's rights as sapient beings who, you know, exist and all.

Oh o.k. Yeah, the rejector one does suit you even more

[IscrewTali]

All 3 endings are still better than refusal. Cowardice and inability to make the hard decisions, forcing someone else in the future to do it for you? No matter how someone attempts to justify it, it's still makes you a weakling. I wouldnt be surprised if this gets bombed by arguments of space magic, godmode and genocide.

[Alushadow]

Modifié par Chris Priestly, 03 juillet 2012 - 07:50 .

[translationninja]

The Angry One wrote...

Forbry wrote...


I do not want to be rude or attack you, but of all the "destroyers" here, you do come across as the most "rigid" one. The one that is the most unwilling to keep an open mind. And no, that does not mean you have to agree with me or agree with synthesis .

Not destroyer, rejector with destroy leanings.

I'm no more rigid than Mass Effect itself is on the subject before synthesis pops up out of nowhere.
It just doesn't fit any theme prior to that, promotes Reaper victory and is a violation of everyone's rights as sapient beings who, you know, exist and all.

That would make you someone that would rather see all the beings in the galaxy wiped out so you get your sense of right and wrong confirmed.

I rest my case, you just became the new catalyst.

It doesn't matter if the reapers wipe out organics for their own screwed logic or if you wipe them out by inactivity because that feels "more right" in your head.

I rest my case

[shodiswe]

The Catalyst will reap until it find's a way to finnish the task given by it's creators, a way to ensure peace between Organics and synthetics. It doesn't matter what hapens in the galaxy, until it's work is done it will repeat the cycle to control the lab environment until the experiment can be concluded, as specified in it's primary coding, given by it's creators.

It's an AI that believes it's only task and only important reason to exist is to complete the research specified by it's creators, and it will do anything it takes to reach that goal because the creators didn't program it with any ethics or other ideal, it merely seeks to perform it primary function and the secondary function is to maintain the peace between organics and synthetics until the process is completed.

The only way it could maintain it was to destroy both sides before they get out of control. Same way a bioengineer or virologist cleans it's equipment and destroys over mature failed samples. Ie cleaning petridishes, sterilizing lab equipment.

Allowing new samples to grow. It's not evil it's just working, the whole galaxy became it's laboratory. The reapers are it's cleaning crew and dishwashers. Aswell as lab assistants.

Germs have no say in the experiment until they can provide the desired results, then they become important.


To accept the Synthesis is like keeping melons genophage cure data in ME2, it's immoral research that was obtained using unimmaginable evil, but the resulting research might still be pure and good... Even if it's tainted by the meens to get the results. I belive Synthesis to be a genuinely good and positive gift for the galaxy though the main problem is, can you accept research that was obtaiend through mass genocide on a galactic scle, thousands of times over and over.. ? Thats the main argument agaisnt synthesis. The genophage cure in ME2 that saved Eve in ME3 is a similar concept but on a much smaller scale.

[Alushadow]

v TricKy v wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Alushadow wrote...


2.you force everyone in the galaxy to become walking toasters without asking anyone
that is basically everything this game stood against

Obligatory:

*Guy walks into the kitchen because he is hungry*
Toaster: "I am alive"
Guy: "WTF"

that is how the world looks after synthesis
no more toast!!!!!

[Ryoten]

It's silly. Seriously. In the EC when your crew is standing around the memorial on the Normandy, and your LI puts your name on it...everyone is standing there with glowing circuit boards. I could not stop myself from laughing at this.

[commanderkai]

Because Shepard did with one jump that the Borg couldn't do in hundreds of years.