memorysquid wrote...
RebelReya wrote...
You guys do realize that no matter how happy and 'perfect' (to quote TIM) they paint it, Synthesis is still the elimination of all organic life? Their is NO more organic life, because only one person out of unknown trillions decides so. Even the plants are synthetic.
You're biasing your argument. Synthesis eliminates the distinction. It doesn't make everyone one or the other or even a mix of both. It is transcendent. That's not even my headcanon, Mike Gamble actually tweeted that there's no distinction post-synthesis, just 'life.' The writers' intention has been plain since pre-EC. It's Hegelian dialectic.
The writers viewed AND wrote synthesis as a way to overcome the old organic/synthetic dichotomy. You can disagree with their premise, but the writing is clear enough that the fiction is clear. You just don't like the fiction then, which is better to deal with than continually demanding everyone accept your headcanon rewrite as what ME3 REALLY means.
Mike Gamble's retconning Tweets are just that: retconning. The EC presents fairly strong evidence that ME3 writers studied critiques and analyses of the original endings and tried to cover as many plot holes and inconsistencies as possible. Well, that's impossible (and in fact, the EC created plot holes of its own). Gamble's Tweets just sprinkle more sparkles on the turds that are the ME3 endings. Are his Tweets "canon?" Sure, because they're Gamble's Tweets. That doesn't make them consistent with established ME themes and lore. It just makes them retcon.
Here's a link to a vid presenting the entire EC extended dialogue. The Synthesis discussion begins at 9:20--
Mass Effect 3 Synthesis Extended Cut Ending HD + Full Dialogue with Catalyst (Starchild) - YouTube The Catalyst specifically says “the chain reaction will combine all organic and synthetic life into a new framework, a new...DNA." So the resulting “DNA” will most definitely be a mix of both. The new life form will be a hybrid. The Catalyst says so.
Clearly, the Catalyst bases its definition of organic life in biology. So, it bases its definition of synthetic “life” in...what, exactly? EDI and the Geth feel alive because they realize they have -souls-. Shepard helps EDI realize this through several discussions, and EDI confirms it just before the assault on the Teleporter Beam. Tali confirms this principle when Legion asks the question that started the Morning War and she answers, “Yes.”
So the Crucible-Catalyst Magic Space Beam will not only combine organic DNA and Synthetic..code-electron-energy-molecules. It will combine organic and synthetic -souls-, because for the Catalyst-Crucible’s process to work, the soul must reside in organic DNA and synthetic code-energy-electron-molecules. Otherwise, you just get a hybrid jumble of biosynthetic stuff and no understanding.
Why? Again, because the Catalyst says so. Note the Catalyst says, "Organics seek perfection through technology. Synthetics seek perfection through understanding. Organics will be perfected by integrating fully with synthetic technology. Synthetics, in turn, will finally have full understanding of organics. It is the ideal solution.” Shortly afterwards it says, …synthetics are already part of you. Can you imagine your life without them?”
Say what? What the hell? So organic species have never sought to understand the nature of the soul? Their place in the grand scheme of things? The universe’s relationship to them? The proper role of technology in organic society? The ethical uses of technology? What the hell? And synthetics have never sought perfection through technology? The Geth have done it for centuries. And we organics seek perfection when we go to the gym and eat a healthful diet.
Depending on how things go on Rannoch, Shepard can point out one reason he’s the first organic in aeons to stand before the Catalyst is because organics—the Quarians; and Synthetics—the Geth—have resolved centuries of…oh say, organic-synthetic conflict and are allies. In fact, the Geth have begun a symbiotic relationship with the Quarians to aid Quarian adaptation to Rannoch’s environment.
But the writers don’t give Shepard the opportunity to tell the Crucible any of these things. The Crucible says Synthesis is the ideal solution, Shepard gets to say, “I don’t know..” and then run into the Magic Space fountain if he so chooses.
I’m not even going to discuss the ridiculous, preposterous, ludicrous Catalyst-Crucible space magic that underpins all solutions—especially Synthesis—except Reject. You can read Parabolee77’s excellent post, and the part of mine on page 23 of this thread that deals with the fantastical Space Magic wand.
Bottom line: Gamble can retcon all he wants, but what’s in-game is what’s in-game. Though, since BioWare has adopted Tweeting as a way to fix what’s in the game--or not in the game--I guess it’s standard procedure.
Modifié par Aquilas, 03 juillet 2012 - 04:57 .
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