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Aquilas wrote...
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You guys do realize that no matter how happy and 'perfect' (to quote TIM) they paint it, Synthesis is still the elimination of all organic life? Their is NO more organic life, because only one person out of unknown trillions decides so. Even the plants are synthetic.
You're biasing your argument. Synthesis eliminates the distinction. It doesn't make everyone one or the other or even a mix of both. It is transcendent. That's not even my headcanon, Mike Gamble actually tweeted that there's no distinction post-synthesis, just 'life.' The writers' intention has been plain since pre-EC. It's Hegelian dialectic.
The writers viewed AND wrote synthesis as a way to overcome the old organic/synthetic dichotomy. You can disagree with their premise, but the writing is clear enough that the fiction is clear. You just don't like the fiction then, which is better to deal with than continually demanding everyone accept your headcanon rewrite as what ME3 REALLY means.
Mike Gamble's retconning Tweets are just that: retconning. The EC presents fairly strong evidence that ME3 writers studied critiques and analyses of the original endings and tried to cover as many plot holes and inconsistencies as possible. Well, that's impossible (and in fact, the EC created plot holes of its own). Gamble's Tweets just sprinkle more sparkles on the turds that are the ME3 endings. Are his Tweets "canon?" Sure, because they're Gamble's Tweets. That doesn't make them consistent with established ME themes and lore. It just makes them retcon.
Here's a link to a vid presenting the entire EC extended dialogue. The Synthesis discussion begins at 9:20--
Mass Effect 3 Synthesis Extended Cut Ending HD + Full Dialogue with Catalyst (Starchild) - YouTube
The Catalyst specifically says “the chain reaction will combine all organic and synthetic life into a new framework, a new...DNA." So the resulting “DNA” will most definitely be a mix of both. The new life form will be a hybrid. The Catalyst says so.
He most certainly doesn't. You quote him saying that a NEW framework will be created. I have elsewhere pointed out the framework they are using is Hegelian synthesis, in which a third option combining a thesis and its opposition antithesis creates a new transcendent framework. Given that this is literally what the Catalyst says, rather than "We're mixing the two old paradigms into a hybrid" as you state it, you're misstating the scene you are quoting.
Just in general, you are unaware of how to combine two things to make a third new one with entirely different properties?
The writers may be using Hegelian synthesis to frame their argument, but in practice the Catalyst is indeed creating a hybrid life form. We're not talking about Hegel's classical thesis-antithesis-synthesis structure. For instance, he posits water's temperature isn't intrinsic to its liquidity, but when you add enough heat it becomes steam. Or, when you add just one more grain of wheat you create a heap of wheat. Or, when plucking just one more feather from a bird you turn it into a bald-tail (examples from Wikipedia).
You said the new life form won't be a mix of both organic and synthetic life forms. Of course it will.
Organics already contain DNA--long molecules that comprise genes. Synthetics do not have genes. They do not have DNA. So we're not talking about creating a new species of lizard by breeding two others, a lizard that can reproduce itself by laying eggs that don't have to be fertilized--essentially, by cloning itself (accomplished by a team at the Stowers Institute for Medical Research).
We're talking about taking organic DNA and circuit boards---just look at how the new hybrids are depicted--and combining them at the molecular level to create a new life form. Yes, the new thing will have different properties; it will indeed form the framework for a new DNA. But it will nonetheless be a hybrid life form, especially in the adjectival sense I just used:
Hybrid | Define Hybrid at Dictionary.com
Definition 1 (noun) clearly doesn’t apply: synthetics don’t have genes, as I’ve already said. But Definition 2 (noun) and especially Definitions 6 and 7 (adjectival) most certainly do.
So again, the new life form will be a hybrid by definition. And because the Catalyst says so.
Modifié par Aquilas, 03 juillet 2012 - 06:46 .
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