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[Luxure]

@mavqt Quarians are somewhere around 17 million.

[ghost9191]

mavqt wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

But why force it onto every being, not everyone wants it. Thats why I said "unless some scientists find a way to force a change, then you should have you own choice whether to accept it or not." and evolution hasn't been unkind to us so far.

I do so to avoid genocide/slavery.

Really?

Collectors are self-replicating husks, nothing more. They're mindless slaves who have nothing to do with how Synthesis works.

There are 14 advanced races in the ME galaxy, lets say there is 1 trillion of each per race.
In destroy you loose the Geth so 1 trillion dead and lets say half the Quarians hate you for it. 1 trillion dead and .5 trillion angry quarians.
In synthesis lets say a quarter of the races are pissed off at the decision. that would be 3.5 trillion angry mofo's
3 trillion more angry then in destroy (2 if you want to minus the Geth losses from it) and the they and always try rebuild the Geth.

Atleast this is my opinion in this matter on synthesis. not going to touch the of matters.

thought i read somewhere there is 1.5bill geth but idk, know its not 1 trill though

and i doubt even half the quarians would care bout the geth, and the geth knew what they were signning up for, it is their fault they didn't notice that teh crucible would destroy them too

[Mr.House]

I find it more sad people want to be friends with monsters that have committed the biggest war crime in the galaxy and where created by a rogue AI who thought of a solution to a problem he created.

[Xilizhra]

Mr.House wrote...

I find it more sad people want to be friends with monsters that have committed the biggest war crime in the galaxy and where created by a rogue AI who thought of a solution to a problem he created.

I believe in redemption. Saren and TIM both found it, though died in the process. Balak helped to make up for his earlier misdeeds. Helena Blake reformed. Etc. I prefer not to kill anyone unless absolutely necessary.

[Ryzaki]

Lenimph wrote...

Stare long and hard at the krogan baby in the synthesis ending and you will know why...

That...was actually creepy.

Imagine that staring you down.

[jla0644]

Alushadow wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Because the Reapers win. Forever.

/thread

2.you force everyone in the galaxy to become walking toasters without asking anyone
that is basically everything this game stood against

3.you remove all diversity from the universe which is an abomination

There are plenty of  valid arguments against Synthesis. The ones listed above are not among them. Anyone who has seen the EC should know this. So I'm going to assume the dozens of people I've seen still spouting this non-sense have not seen the EC. They should see it as soon as possible so they can stop being wrong.

[Mavqt]

Luxure wrote...

@mavqt Quarians are somewhere around 17 million.

ghost9191 wrote...

and i doubt even half the quarians
would care bout the geth, and the geth knew what they were signning up
for, it is their fault they didn't notice that teh crucible would
destroy them too

I know I was just generalizing.

Modifié par mavqt, 03 juillet 2012 - 07:43 .

[ghost9191]

Xilizhra wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

I find it more sad people want to be friends with monsters that have committed the biggest war crime in the galaxy and where created by a rogue AI who thought of a solution to a problem he created.

I believe in redemption. Saren and TIM both found it, though died in the process. Balak helped to make up for his earlier misdeeds. Helena Blake reformed. Etc. I prefer not to kill anyone unless absolutely necessary.

yeah thats understandable, but how does turning everyone into half synthetics half organics redeem them, i mean couldn't you have just dropped a paragon on them and had them shoot themselves. message with saren and TIM was only way to redeem themself was death

[Ridwan]

Xilizhra wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

I find it more sad people want to be friends with monsters that have committed the biggest war crime in the galaxy and where created by a rogue AI who thought of a solution to a problem he created.

I believe in redemption. Saren and TIM both found it, though died in the process. Balak helped to make up for his earlier misdeeds. Helena Blake reformed. Etc. I prefer not to kill anyone unless absolutely necessary.

The last thing that will be on your mind if some guy, God forbid, murders your family inront of you is redemption.

[ghost9191]

jla0644 wrote...

Alushadow wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Because the Reapers win. Forever.

/thread

2.you force everyone in the galaxy to become walking toasters without asking anyone
that is basically everything this game stood against

3.you remove all diversity from the universe which is an abomination

There are plenty of  valid arguments against Synthesis. The ones listed above are not among them. Anyone who has seen the EC should know this. So I'm going to assume the dozens of people I've seen still spouting this non-sense have not seen the EC. They should see it as soon as possible so they can stop being wrong.

metagaming ftw right

[Forbry]

Xilizhra wrote...

Ra preferable than massively bodily violation over every organic being in the galaxy and leaving the risk that the cycle'll start all over again (with the Reapers anyway) successfully nullfiying the sacrifices everyone in the Reaper war made.

What sort of person wouldn't be willing to accept a few bodily modifications to save a whole race?

You mean sacerfcing people who agreeded and where ready to die in the first place to destory the Reapers, not to be changed against their will and be bff forever with monsters?

Your inability to accept the potential of the Reapers being redeemed saddens me.

From the art book, which is canon. Same result, same process, different method.

No. This is stupid. You're using a single word that has, shock of shocks, different meanings in different contexts.

Indeed and that has been said, even explained, so many times before, but I think their skulls are too thick to come through...

[Xilizhra]

Saren and TIM had to die because they were already indoctrinated past the point of no return. The Reapers are fixable by Synthesis.

The last thing that will be on your mind if some guy, God forbid, murders your family inront of you is redemption.

This happened to my Shepard, and she still let Balak go. Admittedly, he wasn't the one who actually did it, but he was part of the same group.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 03 juillet 2012 - 07:44 .

[Mr.House]

Xilizhra wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

I find it more sad people want to be friends with monsters that have committed the biggest war crime in the galaxy and where created by a rogue AI who thought of a solution to a problem he created.

I believe in redemption. Saren and TIM both found it, though died in the process. Balak helped to make up for his earlier misdeeds. Helena Blake reformed. Etc. I prefer not to kill anyone unless absolutely necessary.

Starbrat and his creation do not deserve redemption. Have you missed the fact they have killed over a Quadrillion, maybe even Quintillion? War crimminals that have caused massive war crimes like the Reapers deserve nothing but destruction.

Modifié par Mr.House, 03 juillet 2012 - 07:45 .

[ghost9191]

Xilizhra wrote...

Saren and TIM had to die because they were already indoctrinated past the point of no return. The Reapers are fixable by Synthesis.

The last thing that will be on your mind if some guy, God forbid, murders your family inront of you is redemption.

This happened to my Shepard, and she still let Balak go. Admittedly, he wasn't the one who actually did it, but he was part of the same group.

same can be said for destroy

[Forbry]

Xilizhra wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

I find it more sad people want to be friends with monsters that have committed the biggest war crime in the galaxy and where created by a rogue AI who thought of a solution to a problem he created.

I believe in redemption. Saren and TIM both found it, though died in the process. Balak helped to make up for his earlier misdeeds. Helena Blake reformed. Etc. I prefer not to kill anyone unless absolutely necessary.

And that is what a real Paragon hero should, could and would.

[Xilizhra]

Mr.House wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

I find it more sad people want to be friends with monsters that have committed the biggest war crime in the galaxy and where created by a rogue AI who thought of a solution to a problem he created.

I believe in redemption. Saren and TIM both found it, though died in the process. Balak helped to make up for his earlier misdeeds. Helena Blake reformed. Etc. I prefer not to kill anyone unless absolutely necessary.

Starbrat and his creation do not deserve redemption. Have yoyu missed the fact they have killed over a Quadrillion, maybe even Quintillion? Wr crimminals that have caused massive war crimes like the Reapers deserve nothing but destruction.

I disagree. If anyone or anything can be redeemed, it's superior to them dying. Death is never anything other than an unfortunate necessity.

[ghost9191]

depends on how you feel, even a paragon shep would know sometimes there is no redemption

[Mr.House]

Xilizhra wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

I find it more sad people want to be friends with monsters that have committed the biggest war crime in the galaxy and where created by a rogue AI who thought of a solution to a problem he created.

I believe in redemption. Saren and TIM both found it, though died in the process. Balak helped to make up for his earlier misdeeds. Helena Blake reformed. Etc. I prefer not to kill anyone unless absolutely necessary.

Starbrat and his creation do not deserve redemption. Have yoyu missed the fact they have killed over a Quadrillion, maybe even Quintillion? Wr crimminals that have caused massive war crimes like the Reapers deserve nothing but destruction.

I disagree. If anyone or anything can be redeemed, it's superior to them dying. Death is never anything other than an unfortunate necessity.

Say that to the love ones and friends of the victims, all the cycles that where outright killed and not "asscnded", to all the coloines the Collectors attacked and turned those innocent humans into goo, to the people who died on the CItadel from both attacks and everyone else who has died because of the Reapers."But hey my morals are more important then judgment!"

Modifié par Mr.House, 03 juillet 2012 - 07:49 .

[Romaka]

Synthesis is not redemption for the Reapers and the Catalyst. It is completing what they set out to do in the first place based on assumptions and guesswork from the very beings that have been murdering countless sentients for millions if not billions of years.

[darthnick427]

esalor wrote...

Apologies, long rant.
I find Synthesis as presented by the Catalyst to be morally wrong and unjustifiable, however that is beside the point.

The fleet adrimal himself stated the mission objective rather clearly: "Dead Reapers is how we win this".
Now,

On the one side I have what TIM has been trying to achieve - Control. Shepard told him "Whaf if you can't control them? Are you willing to risk humanity's future on it?"

On the middle, some option presented by a previously unknown entity to whom I have every reason not to trust.

On the right: Exactly what I have been working towards since learning about the Reaper threat. The ultimate goal for which the entire galactic community poured their last resources to build the Crucible.

I can see a renegade Shepard going for Control. Like keeping the Collector base in ME2. But Synthesis? Even if we accept that the premise is even possible, how can Shepard be convinced to act on this and redefine life itself based on 3 vague sentences from a creepy hologram?

I think in the end, there was no choice.

 

Agreed Destroy needed to happen.

[Ridwan]

Xilizhra wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

I find it more sad people want to be friends with monsters that have committed the biggest war crime in the galaxy and where created by a rogue AI who thought of a solution to a problem he created.

I believe in redemption. Saren and TIM both found it, though died in the process. Balak helped to make up for his earlier misdeeds. Helena Blake reformed. Etc. I prefer not to kill anyone unless absolutely necessary.

Starbrat and his creation do not deserve redemption. Have yoyu missed the fact they have killed over a Quadrillion, maybe even Quintillion? Wr crimminals that have caused massive war crimes like the Reapers deserve nothing but destruction.

I disagree. If anyone or anything can be redeemed, it's superior to them dying. Death is never anything other than an unfortunate necessity.

You wouldn't believe that if you saw someone murder everyone you loved in front of you.

[Mavqt]

Xilizhra wrote...
I disagree. If anyone or anything can be redeemed, it's superior to them dying. Death is never anything other than an unfortunate necessity.

You or someone said that TIM and Sarons' redemption was in death ONLY, since being indoctrinated by the REAPERS. so shouldn't there redemption be in death aswell?

That is my opinion, if I cared in redeeming them.

[ghost9191]

Shep said it best

" Yes, people will die. Maybe we'll lose half the galaxy. Maybe more, but i will do watever it takes to rid the galaxy of the reaper threat."

" However "insignificant" we might be. we will fight/ we will sacrifice, and we will find a way. that's what humans do"

[Forbry]

Mr.House wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

I find it more sad people want to be friends with monsters that have committed the biggest war crime in the galaxy and where created by a rogue AI who thought of a solution to a problem he created.

I believe in redemption. Saren and TIM both found it, though died in the process. Balak helped to make up for his earlier misdeeds. Helena Blake reformed. Etc. I prefer not to kill anyone unless absolutely necessary.

Starbrat and his creation do not deserve redemption. Have yoyu missed the fact they have killed over a Quadrillion, maybe even Quintillion? Wr crimminals that have caused massive war crimes like the Reapers deserve nothing but destruction.

I disagree. If anyone or anything can be redeemed, it's superior to them dying. Death is never anything other than an unfortunate necessity.

Say that to the love ones and friends of the victims, all the cycles that where outright killed and not "asscnded", to all the coloines the Collectors attacked and turned those innocent humans into goo, to the people who died on the CItadel from both attacks and everyone else who has died because of the Reapers."But hey my morals are more important then judgment!"

The Geth were public enemy number one in ME1, later most of us got to love them. Also problem with that?