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Forbry wrote...

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Xilizhra wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

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Mr.House wrote...

I find it more sad people want to be friends with monsters that have committed the biggest war crime in the galaxy and where created by a rogue AI who thought of a solution to a problem he created.

I believe in redemption. Saren and TIM both found it, though died in the process. Balak helped to make up for his earlier misdeeds. Helena Blake reformed. Etc. I prefer not to kill anyone unless absolutely necessary.

Starbrat and his creation do not deserve redemption. Have yoyu missed the fact they have killed over a Quadrillion, maybe even Quintillion? Wr crimminals that have caused massive war crimes like the Reapers deserve nothing but destruction.

I disagree. If anyone or anything can be redeemed, it's superior to them dying. Death is never anything other than an unfortunate necessity.

Say that to the love ones and friends of the victims, all the cycles that where outright killed and not "asscnded", to all the coloines the Collectors attacked and turned those innocent humans into goo, to the people who died on the CItadel from both attacks and everyone else who has died because of the Reapers."But hey my morals are more important then judgment!"
:pinched:

The Geth were public enemy number one in ME1, later most of us got to love them. Also problem with that?


i only really cared for legion, all the other geth i met were trying to kill my shepard, team and innocents.  after legion left the geth just became a war asset number to me. and that is true, they were like 400 or something

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The Reapers are not being redeemed by control or synthesis. To be redeemed they have to make the decision. In control your enslaving the reapers and in synthesis your changing everything into the same life form. The reapers aren't redeemed they are just out of a job.

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Synthesis, a surrender so complete and humiliating even the French Army looks down on those who choose it. Shepard just bends over and grabs his ankles and says "Please Mr. Reapers change us so we aren't so disgusting and insignificant to you oh great Reaper Kings!" And boy do they deliver Starbrat doesn't even use lube when it gives it to the galaxy, he just flat out vaporizes your ass and rewrites all life everywhere at whim.

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Forbry wrote...

The Geth were public enemy number one in ME1, later most of us got to love them. Also problem with that?

Geth are put into two factions, Reapers are not. Geth sacerficed themselfs to destory the Reapers, their sacerfice will be remembered for ending the true threat.

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Say that to the love ones and friends of the victims, all the cycles that where outright killed and not "asscnded", to all the coloines the Collectors attacked and turned those innocent humans into goo, to the people who died on the CItadel from both attacks and everyone else who has died because of the Reapers."But hey my morals are more important then judgment!"

From my ending, it looks like they're fine anyway.

You wouldn't believe that if you saw someone murder everyone you loved in front of you.

I wouldn't be qualified to make that decision if I saw someone murder everyone I loved. This is why victims don't judge perpetrators.

You or someone said that TIM and Sarons' redemption was in death ONLY, since being indoctrinated by the REAPERS. so shouldn't there redemption be in death aswell?

Oh, no, they certainly deserved redemption while remaining alive. It's just that there wasn't any other way to save them from indoctrination other than death. In that case, it's rescue/self defense, not judgment. Also, they choose to die themselves.

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ghost9191 wrote...

Forbry wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

I find it more sad people want to be friends with monsters that have committed the biggest war crime in the galaxy and where created by a rogue AI who thought of a solution to a problem he created.

I believe in redemption. Saren and TIM both found it, though died in the process. Balak helped to make up for his earlier misdeeds. Helena Blake reformed. Etc. I prefer not to kill anyone unless absolutely necessary.

Starbrat and his creation do not deserve redemption. Have yoyu missed the fact they have killed over a Quadrillion, maybe even Quintillion? Wr crimminals that have caused massive war crimes like the Reapers deserve nothing but destruction.

I disagree. If anyone or anything can be redeemed, it's superior to them dying. Death is never anything other than an unfortunate necessity.

Say that to the love ones and friends of the victims, all the cycles that where outright killed and not "asscnded", to all the coloines the Collectors attacked and turned those innocent humans into goo, to the people who died on the CItadel from both attacks and everyone else who has died because of the Reapers."But hey my morals are more important then judgment!"
:pinched:

The Geth were public enemy number one in ME1, later most of us got to love them. Also problem with that?


i only really cared for legion, all the other geth i met were trying to kill my shepard, team and innocents.  after legion left the geth just became a war asset number to me. and that is true, they were like 400 or something

Yeah, pretty much. I think they were closer to 500 though.

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Because the Reapers win. Forever.

/thread

Humans naturally fear the unknown...synthesis has alot of unknowns...humans deal in absolutes...you are either with us or against us...its a zero-sum way of thinking most people actively do

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Synthesis is not redemption for the Reapers and the Catalyst. It is completing what they set out to do in the first place based on assumptions and guesswork from the very beings that have been murdering countless sentients for millions if not billions of years.


Didn't the Catalyst set out for peace between synthetics and organics? Then it's twisted logic conjured the Reapers.
Etc etc, you know the drill.

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Mr.House wrote...

Forbry wrote...

The Geth were public enemy number one in ME1, later most of us got to love them. Also problem with that?

Geth are put into two factions, Reapers are not. Geth sacerficed themselfs to destory the Reapers, their sacerfice will be remembered for ending the true threat.


agreed, everyone and thing that joined up with the fleet did so for the sole purpose of destroying the reapers. it is easy say the reapers don't deserve death but something are not forgivable. it's a game but there are a lot of destroyed pixel families in mass effect now


anyways as i was saying, ppl joined to destroy the reapers, they knew there would be sacrifices , just not hhow much

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Because it's the same process the Reapers use to create husks and troops FFS.

Um, no it isn't...:huh:


Different method, same result.


Euhmmm no. Different method, different result.

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Folks, the Reapers CAN NOT be forgiven. Ok? Ok. They deserve to be defied, spat on, pissed on and then killed.

By picking Synthesis, we're allowing our minds to be raped and spit on the memory of every other cycle that fought against those genocidal machines.

There is nothing beautiful about Synthesis. By picking that we're essentially murdering every living single being in the galaxy, so that they can become a green glowing freak.

Modifié par M25105, 03 juillet 2012 - 08:00 .


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M25105 wrote...

Folks, the Reapers CAN NOT be forgiven. Ok? Ok. They deserve to be defied, spat on, pissed on and then killed.

By picking Synthesis, we're allowing our minds to be raped and spit on the memory of every other cycle that fought against those genocidal machines.

There is nothing beautiful about Synthesis. By picking that we're essentially murdering every living single being in the galaxy, so that they can become a green glowing freak.


Overly dramatic much? :huh:

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M25105 wrote...

Folks, the Reapers CAN NOT be forgiven. Ok? Ok. They deserve to be defied, spat on, pissed on and then killed.

By picking Synthesis, we're allowing our minds to be raped and spit on the memory of every other cycle that fought against those genocidal machines.

There is nothing beautiful about Synthesis. By picking that we're essentially murdering every living single being in the galaxy, so that they can become a green glowing freak.

Actually, if the Reapers are freed, they can give the knowledge of the past cycles and ensure that some part of them lives on in the modern galaxy, whereas before they would have been lost forever. So really it's the best way to honor those who've died before.

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M25105 wrote...

Folks, the Reapers CAN NOT be forgiven. Ok? Ok. They deserve to be defied, spat on, pissed on and then killed.

By picking Synthesis, we're allowing our minds to be raped and spit on the memory of every other cycle that fought against those genocidal machines.

There is nothing beautiful about Synthesis. By picking that we're essentially murdering every living single being in the galaxy, so that they can become a green glowing freak.

if we forgave Germany...we can forgive reapers...get over yourself...

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Heretic_Hanar wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Folks, the Reapers CAN NOT be forgiven. Ok? Ok. They deserve to be defied, spat on, pissed on and then killed.

By picking Synthesis, we're allowing our minds to be raped and spit on the memory of every other cycle that fought against those genocidal machines.

There is nothing beautiful about Synthesis. By picking that we're essentially murdering every living single being in the galaxy, so that they can become a green glowing freak.


Overly dramatic much? :huh:


I find the idea, hell even the notion of forgiving or siding with the Reapers repulsive. I'm actually shocked at how many believe this.

Before some smart ass comes and post a picture he found on some lame ass site, yes I know it's a game and it's all fiction. That doesn't excuse the fact that some people are willing to mass rape trillions of lives, just so we can all grow green.

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Heretic_Hanar wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Folks, the Reapers CAN NOT be forgiven. Ok? Ok. They deserve to be defied, spat on, pissed on and then killed.

By picking Synthesis, we're allowing our minds to be raped and spit on the memory of every other cycle that fought against those genocidal machines.

There is nothing beautiful about Synthesis. By picking that we're essentially murdering every living single being in the galaxy, so that they can become a green glowing freak.


Overly dramatic much? :huh:


Quick, pass the track suit and the cool aid...lol

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lol and someone brought Germany into this

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adneate wrote...

Synthesis, a surrender so complete and humiliating even the French Army looks down on those who choose it. Shepard just bends over and grabs his ankles and says "Please Mr. Reapers change us so we aren't so disgusting and insignificant to you oh great Reaper Kings!" And boy do they deliver Starbrat doesn't even use lube when it gives it to the galaxy, he just flat out vaporizes your ass and rewrites all life everywhere at whim.


Oh god LMAO.

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alienatedflea wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Folks, the Reapers CAN NOT be forgiven. Ok? Ok. They deserve to be defied, spat on, pissed on and then killed.

By picking Synthesis, we're allowing our minds to be raped and spit on the memory of every other cycle that fought against those genocidal machines.

There is nothing beautiful about Synthesis. By picking that we're essentially murdering every living single being in the galaxy, so that they can become a green glowing freak.

if we forgave Germany...we can forgive reapers...get over yourself...


The Germans and the ****s aren't the same.

None of the ****s that were responsible for doing warcrimes were forgiving and rightly so.

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M25105 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

I find it more sad people want to be friends with monsters that have committed the biggest war crime in the galaxy and where created by a rogue AI who thought of a solution to a problem he created.

I believe in redemption. Saren and TIM both found it, though died in the process. Balak helped to make up for his earlier misdeeds. Helena Blake reformed. Etc. I prefer not to kill anyone unless absolutely necessary.

Starbrat and his creation do not deserve redemption. Have yoyu missed the fact they have killed over a Quadrillion, maybe even Quintillion? Wr crimminals that have caused massive war crimes like the Reapers deserve nothing but destruction.

I disagree. If anyone or anything can be redeemed, it's superior to them dying. Death is never anything other than an unfortunate necessity.


You wouldn't believe that if you saw someone murder everyone you loved in front of you.


Lets switch shoes then. Shepard slaughtered 300,000 batarians during Arrival. That alone makes him a monster. Does he deserve redemption?

I picked destroy not because it made me any less of a monster, but because that's what I feel will definitely stop the reaper threat without meta-gaming.

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Before some smart ass comes and post a picture he found on some lame ass site, yes I know it's a game and it's all fiction. That doesn't excuse the fact that some people are willing to mass rape trillions of lives, just so we can all grow green.

It's still better than mass murder.

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ghost9191 wrote...

lol and someone brought Germany into this


Not to mention it's not even remotely the same thing.

It would only be so if we forced everyone alive to conform to his ideals of how the perfect human would be. So...yeah...no.

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M25105 wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Folks, the Reapers CAN NOT be forgiven. Ok? Ok. They deserve to be defied, spat on, pissed on and then killed.

By picking Synthesis, we're allowing our minds to be raped and spit on the memory of every other cycle that fought against those genocidal machines.

There is nothing beautiful about Synthesis. By picking that we're essentially murdering every living single being in the galaxy, so that they can become a green glowing freak.


Overly dramatic much? :huh:


I find the idea, hell even the notion of forgiving or siding with the Reapers repulsive. I'm actually shocked at how many believe this.

Before some smart ass comes and post a picture he found on some lame ass site, yes I know it's a game and it's all fiction. That doesn't excuse the fact that some people are willing to mass rape trillions of lives, just so we can all grow green.


yeah we can grow on our own, evidence of that in the destroy ending. they were able to rebuild and unite . hmm exact words unsure.   " together we can achieve a future far greater then anyone of us can imagine" hacket.

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From my Blog. Well some of it.

+ EDI hugging the LI was nice touch.

Everything else:

You mixed everyone together so we have the ulitmate swirly salad of doom.

Its a false utiopian future cause everyone will eventually stagnate and have no reason to develope further and because we are all "perfect" reaperized versions of everyone else will lead to:

Bodysnatching other parts of the galaxy beyond Milky way in order to get other primative races bound to the collective Green that is our harmonious collective.

Yay. *Fireworks*

Thats just the emotional reaction I had to that ending on Youtube.

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M25105 wrote...

alienatedflea wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Folks, the Reapers CAN NOT be forgiven. Ok? Ok. They deserve to be defied, spat on, pissed on and then killed.

By picking Synthesis, we're allowing our minds to be raped and spit on the memory of every other cycle that fought against those genocidal machines.

There is nothing beautiful about Synthesis. By picking that we're essentially murdering every living single being in the galaxy, so that they can become a green glowing freak.

if we forgave Germany...we can forgive reapers...get over yourself...


The Germans and the ****s aren't the same.

None of the ****s that were responsible for doing warcrimes were forgiving and rightly so.

Actually, several were offered amnesty in exchange for military data. Same for many Japanese scientists with Unit 731.