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[Ridwan]

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

I find it more sad people want to be friends with monsters that have committed the biggest war crime in the galaxy and where created by a rogue AI who thought of a solution to a problem he created.

I believe in redemption. Saren and TIM both found it, though died in the process. Balak helped to make up for his earlier misdeeds. Helena Blake reformed. Etc. I prefer not to kill anyone unless absolutely necessary.

Starbrat and his creation do not deserve redemption. Have yoyu missed the fact they have killed over a Quadrillion, maybe even Quintillion? Wr crimminals that have caused massive war crimes like the Reapers deserve nothing but destruction.

I disagree. If anyone or anything can be redeemed, it's superior to them dying. Death is never anything other than an unfortunate necessity.

You wouldn't believe that if you saw someone murder everyone you loved in front of you.

Lets switch shoes then. Shepard slaughtered 300,000 batarians during Arrival. That alone makes him a monster. Does he deserve redemption?

I picked destroy not because it made me any less of a monster, but because that's what I feel will definitely stop the reaper threat without meta-gaming.

I haven't played Arrival, so I'm not going to comment on that until I know the details on what happened.

We have a "race" of machines, where every single one of them are hell bent on killing us, they're performing monstrous acts and have already extinguised many cycles before. They can not be forgiving. It's that simple.

[alienatedflea]

M25105 wrote...

alienatedflea wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Folks, the Reapers CAN NOT be forgiven. Ok? Ok. They deserve to be defied, spat on, pissed on and then killed.

By picking Synthesis, we're allowing our minds to be raped and spit on the memory of every other cycle that fought against those genocidal machines.

There is nothing beautiful about Synthesis. By picking that we're essentially murdering every living single being in the galaxy, so that they can become a green glowing freak.

if we forgave Germany...we can forgive reapers...get over yourself...

The Germans and the ****s aren't the same.

None of the ****s that were responsible for doing warcrimes were forgiving and rightly so.

I have a question for you...would you forgive a gas chamber at a concentration camp? of course not...it only has one function...same can be said about the reapers..catalyst came up with the plan of wiping out advanced organics..he didnt seem too sorry about what happen or how many lives were taken...he doesnt care...you shouldnt blame the reapers for following their sole function...

[Ridwan]

Xilizhra wrote...

Before some smart ass comes and post a picture he found on some lame ass site, yes I know it's a game and it's all fiction. That doesn't excuse the fact that some people are willing to mass rape trillions of lives, just so we can all grow green.

It's still better than mass murder.

I wouldn't be surprised at all, if the Geth were aware of what destroy option meant, they would still Shepard to shoot the tube, as well as EDI.

[ghost9191]

Fiannawolf wrote...

From my Blog. Well some of it.

+ EDI hugging the LI was nice touch.

Everything else:

You mixed everyone together so we have the ulitmate swirly salad of doom.

Its a false utiopian future cause everyone will eventually stagnate and have no reason to develope further and because we are all "perfect" reaperized versions of everyone else will lead to:

Bodysnatching other parts of the galaxy beyond Milky way in order to get other primative races bound to the collective Green that is our harmonious collective.

Yay. *Fireworks*

Thats just the emotional reaction I had to that ending on Youtube.

i was a little iffy about the scene with LI hugging edi and she says "i am alive" i just felt bad shep died for that. idk just didn't like how edi sounded in the epilogue, she seemed different to me

[The Heretic of Time]

M25105 wrote...

alienatedflea wrote...

if we forgave Germany...we can forgive reapers...get over yourself...

The Germans and the ****s aren't the same.

None of the ****s that were responsible for doing warcrimes were forgiving and rightly so.

I actually knew someone who fought in the German SS army personally and he was forgiven. So yeah, you clearly don't know what you're talking about.

[Ridwan]

alienatedflea wrote...

M25105 wrote...

alienatedflea wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Folks, the Reapers CAN NOT be forgiven. Ok? Ok. They deserve to be defied, spat on, pissed on and then killed.

By picking Synthesis, we're allowing our minds to be raped and spit on the memory of every other cycle that fought against those genocidal machines.

There is nothing beautiful about Synthesis. By picking that we're essentially murdering every living single being in the galaxy, so that they can become a green glowing freak.

if we forgave Germany...we can forgive reapers...get over yourself...

The Germans and the ****s aren't the same.

None of the ****s that were responsible for doing warcrimes were forgiving and rightly so.

I have a question for you...would you forgive a gas chamber at a concentration camp? of course not...it only has one function...same can be said about the reapers..catalyst came up with the plan of wiping out advanced organics..he didnt seem too sorry about what happen or how many lives were taken...he doesnt care...you shouldnt blame the reapers for following their sole function...

Yes I should, and I do.

[Ridwan]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

M25105 wrote...

alienatedflea wrote...

if we forgave Germany...we can forgive reapers...get over yourself...

The Germans and the ****s aren't the same.

None of the ****s that were responsible for doing warcrimes were forgiving and rightly so.

I actually knew someone who fought in the German SS army personally and he was forgiven. So yeah, you clearly don't know what you're talking about.

What warcrimes did he do that was forgiven?

[ghost9191]

M25105 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Before some smart ass comes and post a picture he found on some lame ass site, yes I know it's a game and it's all fiction. That doesn't excuse the fact that some people are willing to mass rape trillions of lives, just so we can all grow green.

It's still better than mass murder.

I wouldn't be surprised at all, if the Geth were aware of what destroy option meant, they would still Shepard to shoot the tube, as well as EDI.

well also the legions says multiple times that the geth choose there own future. yeah you destroy but still, synthesis screws over the geth just as much as destroy does. you really want the geth to love you, go with control,  they think the reapers are gods at least

[Mavqt]

Xilizhra wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Folks, the Reapers CAN NOT be forgiven. Ok? Ok. They deserve to be defied, spat on, pissed on and then killed.

By picking Synthesis, we're allowing our minds to be raped and spit on the memory of every other cycle that fought against those genocidal machines.

There is nothing beautiful about Synthesis. By picking that we're essentially murdering every living single being in the galaxy, so that they can become a green glowing freak.

Actually, if the Reapers are freed, they can give the knowledge of the past cycles and ensure that some part of them lives on in the modern galaxy, whereas before they would have been lost forever. So really it's the best way to honor those who've died before.

The wording for what im about to say may be wrong but hell I'll giive it a go.

Isn't synthesis a form of forgiveness for the Reapers, "You lot can live but only if give me your information and I'll forgive you for all those you have killed." I would PERSONALLY never forgive a murderer of innocents no matter what he/she could do or what he/she knew. And since our tech is based of the mass relays our advanced culture and knowledge aint going to be that different. I can live without that knowledge.

[Xilizhra]

Isn't synthesis a form of forgiveness for the Reapers, "You lot can live but only if give me your information and I'll forgive you for all those you have killed." I would PERSONALLY never forgive a murderer of innocents no matter what he/she could do or what he/she knew. And since our tech is based of the mass relays our advanced culture and knowledge aint going to be that different. I can live without that knowledge.

I have no problems keeping the Reapers around if they'll no longer be violent.

[Siansonea]

I love how doggedly people refuse to see the ethical problems with Synthesis, just because "it turned out so nice for everyone!" All life is irreversibly engineered to become something else entirely, and that's okay, because look how HAPPY everyone is! Reapers and krogan, dancing on the beach, collecting seashells, braiding each others' hair. GAG.

Seriously, it's absurd, and you should all take a good long look at yourselves. The end really does justify the means for you, I guess. PLEASE never pursue a position of any kind of leadership in society. Thanks.

[translationninja]

You can twist it, turn it, rationalize it as much as you want, deciding to wipe out an entire sentient race all at once makes you nothing but a mass murderer.

It's all good, it's a game, you wanted to punch the reapers in the kisser, bravo you did.

Just don't try to sell it as "heroic sacrifice" and all this babble.

Nothing, absolutely nothing justifies wiping out an entire race, especially not ideological "moralities"

[Welsh Inferno]

M25105 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Before some smart ass comes and post a picture he found on some lame ass site, yes I know it's a game and it's all fiction. That doesn't excuse the fact that some people are willing to mass rape trillions of lives, just so we can all grow green.

It's still better than mass murder.

I wouldn't be surprised at all, if the Geth were aware of what destroy option meant, they would still Shepard to shoot the tube, as well as EDI.

Lol. No they wouldn't. EDI might, the Geth would blow your head off and choose one of the others.

[ghost9191]

Xilizhra wrote...

Isn't synthesis a form of forgiveness for the Reapers, "You lot can live but only if give me your information and I'll forgive you for all those you have killed." I would PERSONALLY never forgive a murderer of innocents no matter what he/she could do or what he/she knew. And since our tech is based of the mass relays our advanced culture and knowledge aint going to be that different. I can live without that knowledge.

I have no problems keeping the Reapers around if they'll no longer be violent.

but can you really be sure? i mean they were programmed for one thing. i mean yeah there races of our galaxy are now organic/synthetic so they have no real reason to harvest then but what if a pour synthetic or organic race shows up. what is stopping the reapers from fullfilling there programming? to risk , same with control

[Ridwan]

If destroy is genocide of one "species" then Synthesis is a mass genocide of the entire galaxy. It's killing who we are and changing us to something we're not.

[Xilizhra]

Siansonea II wrote...

I love how doggedly people refuse to see the ethical problems with Synthesis, just because "it turned out so nice for everyone!" All life is irreversibly engineered to become something else entirely, and that's okay, because look how HAPPY everyone is! Reapers and krogan, dancing on the beach, collecting seashells, braiding each others' hair. GAG.

Seriously, it's absurd, and you should all take a good long look at yourselves. The end really does justify the means for you, I guess. PLEASE never pursue a position of any kind of leadership in society. Thanks.

I'm willing to accept Control as a viable alternative, though it's a hell of a burden to place on yourself, ensuring that you never get out of hand in the same way the previous Catalyst did.

If destroy is genocide of one "species" then Synthesis is a mass
genocide of the entire galaxy. It's killing who we are and changing us
to something we're not.

This change isn't death.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 03 juillet 2012 - 08:17 .

[The Heretic of Time]

M25105 wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

M25105 wrote...

alienatedflea wrote...

if we forgave Germany...we can forgive reapers...get over yourself...

The Germans and the ****s aren't the same.

None of the ****s that were responsible for doing warcrimes were forgiving and rightly so.

I actually knew someone who fought in the German SS army personally and he was forgiven. So yeah, you clearly don't know what you're talking about.

What warcrimes did he do that was forgiven?

This very question obviously shows your ignorance about the subject.

But if you must know: Like most of the Schutzstaffel, he did nothing major. All he did was following orders from superiors, just like the reapers are just following the orders from their superior (the Catalyst).

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 03 juillet 2012 - 08:17 .

[Ridwan]

Welsh Inferno wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Before some smart ass comes and post a picture he found on some lame ass site, yes I know it's a game and it's all fiction. That doesn't excuse the fact that some people are willing to mass rape trillions of lives, just so we can all grow green.

It's still better than mass murder.

I wouldn't be surprised at all, if the Geth were aware of what destroy option meant, they would still Shepard to shoot the tube, as well as EDI.

Lol. No they wouldn't. EDI might, the Geth would blow your head off and choose one of the others.

Funny I remember the Geth saying the follow their own path. Bending to the wall of the kid doesn't seem like that.

[Ridwan]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

M25105 wrote...

alienatedflea wrote...

if we forgave Germany...we can forgive reapers...get over yourself...

The Germans and the ****s aren't the same.

None of the ****s that were responsible for doing warcrimes were forgiving and rightly so.

I actually knew someone who fought in the German SS army personally and he was forgiven. So yeah, you clearly don't know what you're talking about.

What warcrimes did he do that was forgiven?

This very question obviously shows your ignorance about the subject.

But if you must know: Like most of the Schutzstaffel, he did nothing major. All he did was following orders from superiors, just like the Reapers.

Then you completely missed the point.

[ghost9191]

translationninja wrote...

You can twist it, turn it, rationalize it as much as you want, deciding to wipe out an entire sentient race all at once makes you nothing but a mass murderer.

It's all good, it's a game, you wanted to punch the reapers in the kisser, bravo you did.

Just don't try to sell it as "heroic sacrifice" and all this babble.

Nothing, absolutely nothing justifies wiping out an entire race, especially not ideological "moralities"

who said "heroic sacrifice"? the geth are a casualty of war, by your actions in destroy you well destroy them., my biggest issue is that i understand that but ppl that believe in synthesis seem blind to the negatives or the wrong you do with it

war is hell, there was no gettin gout of it without a sacrifice of some kind

geth can be rebuilt, it is unknown if the affects of synthesis can be undone. or how it will affect races that are primitive or stuck on their planet still

Modifié par ghost9191, 03 juillet 2012 - 08:19 .

[wantedman dan]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

All he did was following orders from superiors, just like the reapers are just following the orders from their superior (the Catalyst).

Hahahahaha.

[translationninja]

M25105 wrote...

If destroy is genocide of one "species" then Synthesis is a mass genocide of the entire galaxy. It's killing who we are and changing us to something we're not.

This is entirely and absolutely your personal headcanon. You made me green YOU KILLED ME!!!!!

[The Heretic of Time]

M25105 wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

M25105 wrote...

alienatedflea wrote...

if we forgave Germany...we can forgive reapers...get over yourself...

The Germans and the ****s aren't the same.

None of the ****s that were responsible for doing warcrimes were forgiving and rightly so.

I actually knew someone who fought in the German SS army personally and he was forgiven. So yeah, you clearly don't know what you're talking about.

What warcrimes did he do that was forgiven?

This very question obviously shows your ignorance about the subject.

But if you must know: Like most of the Schutzstaffel, he did nothing major. All he did was following orders from superiors, just like the Reapers.

Then you completely missed the point.

How so?

[The Heretic of Time]

wantedman dan wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

All he did was following orders from superiors, just like the reapers are just following the orders from their superior (the Catalyst).

Hahahahaha.

What are you laughing at? I speak the truth.

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 03 juillet 2012 - 08:20 .

[RadicalDisconnect]

M25105 wrote...

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

I find it more sad people want to be friends with monsters that have committed the biggest war crime in the galaxy and where created by a rogue AI who thought of a solution to a problem he created.

I believe in redemption. Saren and TIM both found it, though died in the process. Balak helped to make up for his earlier misdeeds. Helena Blake reformed. Etc. I prefer not to kill anyone unless absolutely necessary.

Starbrat and his creation do not deserve redemption. Have yoyu missed the fact they have killed over a Quadrillion, maybe even Quintillion? Wr crimminals that have caused massive war crimes like the Reapers deserve nothing but destruction.

I disagree. If anyone or anything can be redeemed, it's superior to them dying. Death is never anything other than an unfortunate necessity.

You wouldn't believe that if you saw someone murder everyone you loved in front of you.

Lets switch shoes then. Shepard slaughtered 300,000 batarians during Arrival. That alone makes him a monster. Does he deserve redemption?

I picked destroy not because it made me any less of a monster, but because that's what I feel will definitely stop the reaper threat without meta-gaming.

I haven't played Arrival, so I'm not going to comment on that until I know the details on what happened.

We have a "race" of machines, where every single one of them are hell bent on killing us, they're performing monstrous acts and have already extinguised many cycles before. They can not be forgiving. It's that simple.

The line of reasoning I'm seeing from you is that Reapers can't be forgiven because they're machines who are designed to perform monstrous acts. This may be a valid point. However, what do you believe is the "forgiveness threshold?" Does Shepard's actions during Arrival pass that threshold?

What I'm seeing on BSN is a whole lot of sweeping generalizations, false analogies, binary logic, and association fallacies/Godwin's law. This is coming from people in all camps, and it's getting rather irritating. Admittedly, even I'm guilty of these fallacies, but the extent of the hostilities on this forum is rather mindbloggling. I've only been here for 4 days, and the environment is just so hostile.