M25105 wrote...
Not by our means. And since Synthesis changes everything what we are, we're nothing but living zombies glowing green.
Heretic_Hanar wrote...
Indeed it's not slavery.
Forcing someone to work for the government because of their past commited crimes is not slavery, just another form of punishment, like serving time i jail or the death penalty. It happens in real-life all the time. A person is either locked up, or he's assigned to communal service or in the worst case, he gets the electric chair.
So you want to punish the reapers by killing them. I want to punish the reapers by assigning them to communal service.
Meltemph wrote...
translationninja wrote...
77boy84 wrote...
Irish286 wrote...
Because its nonsense. I can see how Destroy or control would work but not synthesis.
You know, I keep popping into this thread, just to read the arguements, and I always see one or two posts like these.
I think it's pretty telling that everyone that picked Synthesis will argue up and down about the morals and implications behind it, but no one can really defend it when someone says "It just makes no sense".
Well, uhm, I don't understand how quantum physics could work, does that make it nonsense too?
You do realize that ME is fiction right? And the things outside of what is based in reality is still just fiction.
Meltemph wrote...
Heretic_Hanar wrote...
M25105 wrote...
Welsh Inferno wrote...
M25105 wrote...
Life is about overcoming obstacles, growing stronger and wiser through your own experiences.
Synthesis basically takes a big dump on that.
There's a reason why so many consider Synthesis vile.
Synthesis:
Overcoming Obstacles: Check.
Growing Stronger: Check.
Wiser through experience: Check.
Not by our means. And since Synthesis changes everything what we are, we're nothing but living zombies glowing green.
If synthesis in ME3 works the same way as it does in Deus Ex 2 than we're not fundamentally changed who we are, nor are we living zombies glowing green.
I don't like synthesis for the fact that it just doesn't fit in the Mass Effect lore, but I can definetely see the appeal in synthesis. I chose control myself though.
0_o
So you think completely re-writing the dna of the universe is the same as a form of transhumanism? Well ok then.
Welsh Inferno wrote...
M25105 wrote...
Not by our means. And since Synthesis changes everything what we are, we're nothing but living zombies glowing green.
Uh it is by our damn means. Anything we achieve in the future will be VIA OUR OWN MEANS. Is that a "zomg were brainwashed zombies" argument? I cant really argue against that one anymore, it makes me laugh too much at the ignorance.
translationninja wrote...
77boy84 wrote...
Irish286 wrote...
Because its nonsense. I can see how Destroy or control would work but not synthesis.
You know, I keep popping into this thread, just to read the arguements, and I always see one or two posts like these.
I think it's pretty telling that everyone that picked Synthesis will argue up and down about the morals and implications behind it, but no one can really defend it when someone says "It just makes no sense".
Well, uhm, I don't understand how quantum physics could work, does that make it nonsense too?
M920CAIN wrote...
Let me put it this way: If all the people in ME4 are green, then my middle finger is pointing right at the lead writer of ME3.
wantedman dan wrote...
Heretic_Hanar wrote...
Indeed it's not slavery.
Forcing someone to work for the government because of their past commited crimes is not slavery, just another form of punishment, like serving time i jail or the death penalty. It happens in real-life all the time. A person is either locked up, or he's assigned to communal service or in the worst case, he gets the electric chair.
So you want to punish the reapers by killing them. I want to punish the reapers by assigning them to communal service.
Finding someone guilty in a court of law is inherently different than "assignment" based upon the consequence of war.
Nice cherrypicking, by the way.
Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 03 juillet 2012 - 09:08 .
Welsh Inferno wrote...
M25105 wrote...
Not by our means. And since Synthesis changes everything what we are, we're nothing but living zombies glowing green.
Uh it is by our damn means. Anything we achieve in the future will be VIA OUR OWN MEANS. Is that a "zomg were brainwashed zombies" argument? I cant really argue against that one anymore, it makes me laugh too much at the ignorance.
ghost9191 wrote...
and you can't see how they are similar , at least i accept others have a opinion. y/. how do you know advancing every race would not turn out bad
the krogans were bad before, hmm being immortal and having 1000 babies per female per year, that totally won't backfire. i think it would be better to discover it on our own rather then have it given to us by the reapers.. hmm sound familar
Welsh Inferno wrote...
M25105 wrote...
Life is about overcoming obstacles, growing stronger and wiser through your own experiences.
Synthesis basically takes a big dump on that.
There's a reason why so many consider Synthesis vile.
Synthesis:
Overcoming Obstacles: Check.
Growing Stronger: Check.
Wiser through experience: Check.
ghost9191 wrote...
Welsh Inferno wrote...
M25105 wrote...
Not by our means. And since Synthesis changes everything what we are, we're nothing but living zombies glowing green.
Uh it is by our damn means. Anything we achieve in the future will be VIA OUR OWN MEANS. Is that a "zomg were brainwashed zombies" argument? I cant really argue against that one anymore, it makes me laugh too much at the ignorance.
actually achieving that level of "evolution" was not by "our" means, it was forced and given to "us" on a silver platter, blinding "us" to alternative paths
The reason the new hybrids won't make sapient synthetics incapable of understanding them is simple: they're obsolete and less useful in all areas. All it would accomplish is to make working with them more difficult. As for the other things, they will be preserved; no knowledge is lost, after all. Synthesis is bringing together all of the strengths of diversity.Barquiel wrote...
main reason? Shepard unleashes the reapers (uncontrolled and unchecked) on the galaxy when you had the chance to end the cycle beyond a shadow of a doubt. It's a very risky gamble.
But there are other problems, too.
It will not solve anything (Whats to stop the new hybrid's from creating synthetics?) and it goes against one of the main themes of the trilogy..."strength through diversity". I would want to preserve the beautiful culture of the Asari, the scientific culture of the Salarians, etc.
In this case, yes. Whether this is true or not depends on both the ends and the means alike, but in this case, I believe it works.The End Justifies The Means: Check.
Modifié par Xilizhra, 03 juillet 2012 - 09:13 .
Im my case, the word `toddler` always comes up at these momentsWelsh Inferno wrote...
M25105 wrote...
Not by our means. And since Synthesis changes everything what we are, we're nothing but living zombies glowing green.
Uh it is by our damn means. Anything we achieve in the future will be VIA OUR OWN MEANS. Is that a "zomg were brainwashed zombies" argument? I cant really argue against that one anymore, it makes me laugh too much at the ignorance.
ghost9191 wrote...
actually achieving that level of "evolution" was not by "our" means, it was forced and given to "us" on a silver platter, blinding "us" to alternative paths
Welsh Inferno wrote...
ghost9191 wrote...
and you can't see how they are similar , at least i accept others have a opinion. y/. how do you know advancing every race would not turn out bad
the krogans were bad before, hmm being immortal and having 1000 babies per female per year, that totally won't backfire. i think it would be better to discover it on our own rather then have it given to us by the reapers.. hmm sound familar
You are free to an opinion. Having an opinion does not make it correct though. The Krogan didnt gain any intelligence or understanding out of warring with the Rachni. Infact it pushed on their blood rage instincts and THAT led to more war. They also pushed on because they saw themselves as superior, everyone is equal in Synthesis. You really cannot see the difference?
Welsh Inferno wrote...
M25105 wrote...
Not by our means. And since Synthesis changes everything what we are, we're nothing but living zombies glowing green.
Uh it is by our damn means. Anything we achieve in the future will be VIA OUR OWN MEANS. Is that a "zomg were brainwashed zombies" argument? I cant really argue against that one anymore, it makes me laugh too much at the ignorance.
Ryzaki wrote...
Welsh Inferno wrote...
M25105 wrote...
Not by our means. And since Synthesis changes everything what we are, we're nothing but living zombies glowing green.
Uh it is by our damn means. Anything we achieve in the future will be VIA OUR OWN MEANS. Is that a "zomg were brainwashed zombies" argument? I cant really argue against that one anymore, it makes me laugh too much at the ignorance.
No it is not. It's by Shepard and Starbrat's means. The rest of the galaxy is just dragged along for the ride.
mavqt wrote...
Welsh Inferno wrote...
M25105 wrote...
Not by our means. And since Synthesis changes everything what we are, we're nothing but living zombies glowing green.
Uh it is by our damn means. Anything we achieve in the future will be VIA OUR OWN MEANS. Is that a "zomg were brainwashed zombies" argument? I cant really argue against that one anymore, it makes me laugh too much at the ignorance.
Weren't you talking about synthesis in ME. In that case it's not OUR means it's the means of the catalyst+cruible and YOU just picked it. If we were to achieve synthesis in the real world, it would be debated for years and then open for people to accept it or deny it. It would not be forced on me or you.
You do realize that particularly because it is fiction it could make sense? If they decided unicorns flying in that would be nonsensical, but certainly someone somewhere would like. So a blatant "it makes no sense" is a faulty statement that should be "it makes no sense to me".
You do realize that this transhumanism is achieved by also re-writing our DNA right? In Deus Ex 1 and Deus Ex 2 they use nano-augmentations to alter our bodies from the inside on a fundamental level, to enhance us and make us better. How is that different from synthesis?
Besides, does your crew look different in the synthesis ending, except for that green stuff on their face? Do they behave different? Do they act like zombies? No, they don't. They look the same and they behave the same as in all the other endings. They're still sad over Shepard's death and they still show emotions and friendship towards each other. That's not really zombie-like, is it?
Modifié par Meltemph, 03 juillet 2012 - 09:21 .
Xilizhra wrote...
The reason the new hybrids won't make sapient synthetics incapable of understanding them is simple: they're obsolete and less useful in all areas. All it would accomplish is to make working with them more difficult. As for the other things, they will be preserved; no knowledge is lost, after all. Synthesis is bringing together all of the strengths of diversity.Barquiel wrote...
main reason? Shepard unleashes the reapers (uncontrolled and unchecked) on the galaxy when you had the chance to end the cycle beyond a shadow of a doubt. It's a very risky gamble.
But there are other problems, too.
It will not solve anything (Whats to stop the new hybrid's from creating synthetics?) and it goes against one of the main themes of the trilogy..."strength through diversity". I would want to preserve the beautiful culture of the Asari, the scientific culture of the Salarians, etc.In this case, yes. Whether this is true or not depends on both the ends and the means alike, but in this case, I believe it works.The End Justifies The Means: Check.
Pelle6666 wrote...
Because it sucks. That's why.
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