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[Welsh Inferno]

ghost9191 wrote...

Welsh Inferno wrote...

ghost9191 wrote...

and you can't see how they are similar , at least i accept others have a opinion. y/.   how do you know advancing every race would not turn out bad

the krogans were bad before, hmm being immortal and having 1000 babies per female per year, that totally won't backfire.    i think it would be better to discover it on our own rather then have it given to us by the reapers.. hmm sound familar

You are free to an opinion. Having an opinion does not make it correct though. The Krogan didnt gain any intelligence or understanding out of warring with the Rachni. Infact it pushed on their blood rage instincts and THAT led to more war. They also pushed on because they saw themselves as superior, everyone is equal in Synthesis. You really cannot see the difference? 

when has being equal ever stopped a war, they will reproduce out of control, and as for opinion, i atleast don't belittle others for theirs , not sure if you are naive or just 12   either way u have your opinion and i have mine. at least i don't think your wrong with yours and that is how i am ending this conversation:lol:

I never said it did genius. The Krogan do gain the intelligence to be able to control the birth rate though. If they tried to war they would be crushed due to not being superior anyway. So why is that bad?

Pragmatic and 22. But carry on.

[ghost9191]

Forbry wrote...

Pelle6666 wrote...

Because it sucks. That's why.

An opinion that I respect more than some others given here.

+1

[v TricKy v]

M920CAIN wrote...

Let me put it this way: If all the people in ME4 are green, then my middle finger is pointing right at the lead writer of ME3.

You Sir have just won the Internet

[Ryzaki]

Welsh Inferno wrote...
Not what I ment. I was talking about future endeavours. You are correct, but that is a moral issue. I am only guided by my morals. Not constrained to them.

And you can use that to justify every single ending.

So now what? 

[Xilizhra]

If that is what you truly believe, then my previous assessment stands. THERE IS SOMETHING SERIOUSLY WRONG WITH YOU. By that reasoning, you can justify ANYTHING, as long as you 'like' the end result. Again, do not pursue a career in government or science.

Not quite. Only the best means are justified, but I see no other means to accomplish this. I could, theoretically, accept the possibility of choosing Control now and bringing about Synthesis later after having more time to assess the situation; that's not unreasonable, and if you're uncomfortable with the speed of it all, I could accept your view of that being a better means.

[Ryzaki]

Pelle6666 wrote...

Because it sucks. That's why.

QFT

[Wayning_Star]

besides, how would we know if it were our choice, as the reapers controlled everything else in MEU, why not the future of the MEU? Maybe it only seemed like our choice at/in the end. Science is magic if seen from/by different perspectives/objectives.

[The Heretic of Time]

Ryzaki wrote...

Welsh Inferno wrote...
Not what I ment. I was talking about future endeavours. You are correct, but that is a moral issue. I am only guided by my morals. Not constrained to them.

And you can use that to justify every single ending.

So now what? 

Now we dance. 

[Siansonea]

Welsh Inferno wrote...

ghost9191 wrote...

Welsh Inferno wrote...

ghost9191 wrote...

and you can't see how they are similar , at least i accept others have a opinion. y/.   how do you know advancing every race would not turn out bad

the krogans were bad before, hmm being immortal and having 1000 babies per female per year, that totally won't backfire.    i think it would be better to discover it on our own rather then have it given to us by the reapers.. hmm sound familar

You are free to an opinion. Having an opinion does not make it correct though. The Krogan didnt gain any intelligence or understanding out of warring with the Rachni. Infact it pushed on their blood rage instincts and THAT led to more war. They also pushed on because they saw themselves as superior, everyone is equal in Synthesis. You really cannot see the difference? 

when has being equal ever stopped a war, they will reproduce out of control, and as for opinion, i atleast don't belittle others for theirs , not sure if you are naive or just 12   either way u have your opinion and i have mine. at least i don't think your wrong with yours and that is how i am ending this conversation:lol:

I never said it did genius. The Krogan do gain the intelligence to be able to control the birth rate though. If they tried to war they would be crushed due to not being superior anyway. So why is that bad?

Pragmatic and 22. But carry on.

Oh, are you 22 years old? You have it all figured out then. Carry on. 

[Welsh Inferno]

Ryzaki wrote...

Welsh Inferno wrote...
Not what I ment. I was talking about future endeavours. You are correct, but that is a moral issue. I am only guided by my morals. Not constrained to them.

And you can use that to justify every single ending.

So now what? 

I know you can, I never said otherwise.

[Mavqt]

translationninja wrote...

mavqt wrote...

Welsh Inferno wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Not by our means. And since Synthesis changes everything what we are, we're nothing but living zombies glowing green.

Uh it is by our damn means. Anything we achieve in the future will be VIA OUR OWN MEANS. Is that a "zomg were brainwashed zombies" argument? I cant really argue against that one anymore, it makes me laugh too much at the ignorance.

Weren't you talking about synthesis in ME. In that case it's not OUR means it's the means of the catalyst+cruible and YOU just picked it. If we were to achieve synthesis in the real world, it would be debated for years and then open for people to accept it or deny it. It would not be forced on me or you.

Well I guess in the give scenario someone decided to force it on you. Be happy and enjoy it, that person could have chosen to wipe out your entire race for ideological reasons....phew....oh wait ....

If someone forced it onto me, you can bet I wouldn't be happy. I was prepared to sacrifice myself to destroy the Reapers and hell, I didnt pick destroy knowing I would survive that was just a bonus. And if it was the Humans that died instead of the geth I still would of picked it.

[paxxton]

Beause they don't know how good it is.

Modifié par paxxton, 03 juillet 2012 - 09:28 .

[Welsh Inferno]

Siansonea II wrote...
Oh, are you 22 years old? You have it all figured out then. Carry on. 

Haha. No I do not. Nor was I suggesting what you are implying.

[Siansonea]

Xilizhra wrote...

If that is what you truly believe, then my previous assessment stands. THERE IS SOMETHING SERIOUSLY WRONG WITH YOU. By that reasoning, you can justify ANYTHING, as long as you 'like' the end result. Again, do not pursue a career in government or science.

Not quite. Only the best means are justified, but I see no other means to accomplish this. I could, theoretically, accept the possibility of choosing Control now and bringing about Synthesis later after having more time to assess the situation; that's not unreasonable, and if you're uncomfortable with the speed of it all, I could accept your view of that being a better means.

The "speed" of the process is not, and never has been the issue, and if you think THAT is the point I've been trying to make this whole time, well, I think you have a problem understanding "words".

[Forbry]

ghost9191 wrote...

Forbry wrote...

Pelle6666 wrote...

Because it sucks. That's why.

An opinion that I respect more than some others given here.

+1

You know I´m for synthesis, do you?

[Xilizhra]

Siansonea II wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

If that is what you truly believe, then my previous assessment stands. THERE IS SOMETHING SERIOUSLY WRONG WITH YOU. By that reasoning, you can justify ANYTHING, as long as you 'like' the end result. Again, do not pursue a career in government or science.

Not quite. Only the best means are justified, but I see no other means to accomplish this. I could, theoretically, accept the possibility of choosing Control now and bringing about Synthesis later after having more time to assess the situation; that's not unreasonable, and if you're uncomfortable with the speed of it all, I could accept your view of that being a better means.

The "speed" of the process is not, and never has been the issue, and if you think THAT is the point I've been trying to make this whole time, well, I think you have a problem understanding "words".

Speed is a rather important factor, because it was preventing people from being able to give consent. With added time, if consent is important to you, you could go around looking for that.

[Meltemph]

everyone is equal in Synthesis

Umm, based on what? I thought that part of the argument is that everyone keeps their identity... Perfect equlity is a fantasy and I'm not sure where you got the idea that synthesis even presented here, gives equlaity. The only thing synthesis really assures is that organics and synthetics cant go to war, since everything now technically is a organic/artificial mix. Other then that, we have no idea what variables change.

[Ryzaki]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Welsh Inferno wrote...
Not what I ment. I was talking about future endeavours. You are correct, but that is a moral issue. I am only guided by my morals. Not constrained to them.

And you can use that to justify every single ending.

So now what? 

Now we dance. 

Oh god. I just fav'd that. Legion :wub:

[Siansonea]

Xilizhra wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

If that is what you truly believe, then my previous assessment stands. THERE IS SOMETHING SERIOUSLY WRONG WITH YOU. By that reasoning, you can justify ANYTHING, as long as you 'like' the end result. Again, do not pursue a career in government or science.

Not quite. Only the best means are justified, but I see no other means to accomplish this. I could, theoretically, accept the possibility of choosing Control now and bringing about Synthesis later after having more time to assess the situation; that's not unreasonable, and if you're uncomfortable with the speed of it all, I could accept your view of that being a better means.

The "speed" of the process is not, and never has been the issue, and if you think THAT is the point I've been trying to make this whole time, well, I think you have a problem understanding "words".

Speed is a rather important factor, because it was preventing people from being able to give consent. With added time, if consent is important to you, you could go around looking for that.

Well, if you are successful at convincing humanity to give up their humanity to become whatever Synthesized humans are, then humanity deserves the sugarcoated extinction of Synthesis. Still doesn't making Synthesis as presented in the game any less abhorrent.

[Forbry]

Meltemph wrote...

everyone is equal in Synthesis

Umm, based on what? I thought that part of the argument is that everyone keeps their identity... Perfect equlity is a fantasy and I'm not sure where you got the idea that synthesis even presented here, gives equlaity. The only thing synthesis really assures is that organics and synthetics cant go to war, since everything now technically is a organic/artificial mix. Other then that, we have no idea what variables change.

Equality doesn´t exclude individuality.

[translationninja]

Siansonea II wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

If that is what you truly believe, then my previous assessment stands. THERE IS SOMETHING SERIOUSLY WRONG WITH YOU. By that reasoning, you can justify ANYTHING, as long as you 'like' the end result. Again, do not pursue a career in government or science.

Not quite. Only the best means are justified, but I see no other means to accomplish this. I could, theoretically, accept the possibility of choosing Control now and bringing about Synthesis later after having more time to assess the situation; that's not unreasonable, and if you're uncomfortable with the speed of it all, I could accept your view of that being a better means.

The "speed" of the process is not, and never has been the issue, and if you think THAT is the point I've been trying to make this whole time, well, I think you have a problem understanding "words".

Speed is a rather important factor, because it was preventing people from being able to give consent. With added time, if consent is important to you, you could go around looking for that.

Well, if you are successful at convincing humanity to give up their humanity to become whatever Synthesized humans are, then humanity deserves the sugarcoated extinction of Synthesis. Still doesn't making Synthesis as presented in the game any less abhorrent.

Synthesized humans are.......................humanity..............just.......synthesized.....

[Siansonea]

Forbry wrote...

Meltemph wrote...

everyone is equal in Synthesis

Umm, based on what? I thought that part of the argument is that everyone keeps their identity... Perfect equlity is a fantasy and I'm not sure where you got the idea that synthesis even presented here, gives equlaity. The only thing synthesis really assures is that organics and synthetics cant go to war, since everything now technically is a organic/artificial mix. Other then that, we have no idea what variables change.

Equality doesn´t exclude individuality.

It kind of does. Because, well, math.

And yeah, "everyone's equal now". Oh yeah, THAT'S not an ominous result of Synthesis itself... 

[Meltemph]

Forbry wrote...


Equality doesn´t exclude individuality.

That is great, but equality is impossible, equality isnt a set defintion and it can vary from person to person.  Unless you are saying that everyone now has the exact same skill set and way of thinking(I realize the 2 things are directly connected, but you get my point).

[Xilizhra]

Siansonea II wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

If that is what you truly believe, then my previous assessment stands. THERE IS SOMETHING SERIOUSLY WRONG WITH YOU. By that reasoning, you can justify ANYTHING, as long as you 'like' the end result. Again, do not pursue a career in government or science.

Not quite. Only the best means are justified, but I see no other means to accomplish this. I could, theoretically, accept the possibility of choosing Control now and bringing about Synthesis later after having more time to assess the situation; that's not unreasonable, and if you're uncomfortable with the speed of it all, I could accept your view of that being a better means.

The "speed" of the process is not, and never has been the issue, and if you think THAT is the point I've been trying to make this whole time, well, I think you have a problem understanding "words".

Speed is a rather important factor, because it was preventing people from being able to give consent. With added time, if consent is important to you, you could go around looking for that.

Well, if you are successful at convincing humanity to give up their humanity to become whatever Synthesized humans are, then humanity deserves the sugarcoated extinction of Synthesis. Still doesn't making Synthesis as presented in the game any less abhorrent.

To you. But if you're lucky, IT is reality and you can wake up.

[mauro2222]

It doesn't solve the problem of organics vs synthetics...

Everyone seems to be happy with the change, reapers are friends, that implies synthesis changed people...

EDI speaking nosense about immortality, being alive (again)...

Is what the Catalyst wants...

Galaxy wants the Reapers destroyed...

Equality without being an exact copy is impossible, perfection is impossible, a final solution is impossible...

Modifié par mauro2222, 03 juillet 2012 - 09:36 .