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[Forbry]

Baronesa wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Sian you know can be a rude ass at times. So can I for that matter.

all of us can be very rude sometimes.

I myself can be rude sometimes too. If people think I´m overdoing it they can say so and in most cases I then will try to take account of that...
But o.k., this has nothing to do with ME anymore, so...

[Heather Cline]

Because it's space magic for one. For another the reapers win forever. Another reason is because It makes no logical sense and cannot stand up to scrutiny. Also it's a blatant rip off of Deus Ex Machina. I and many others could go on and on and on ad infinitum.

[Forbry]

LOL now the thread has become (almost) completely quiet. Lower your tone down at one person doesn´t mean shut up everyone LOL

But o.k., if I actually have something to do with that, my apologies, was not my intention.

[PeterG1]

Because Shepard dies.

Nah despite that (and it does bug me) I'm pretty much a fan of synthesis. Its got its problems but I think it's the best conclusion.

But I don't like the death.

[Siansonea]

Baronesa wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Sian you know can be a rude ass at times. So can I for that matter.

all of us can be very rude sometimes.

I can be rather arch sometimes, I know this to be true. 

[Pedro Costa]

Why hate synthesis?
Morally, it's repulsive. You're forcing one (wo)man's wish on an entire galaxy without asking them if they want it. And Shepard has alternatives to synthesis, which makes it even more of a repulsive ego trip.
Physically, it's impossible. There's no way genetic material can be recombined into what the Crucible says it becomes. Further, after such a heavy genetic rewriting, everyone still looks EXACTLY the same except now have glowy eyes and green neons? Seriously? The synthetics don't even have the slightest hint of genetic material ffs!

Finally, either synthesis makes everyone the same and thus homogenizes and stagnates civilization, or it doesn't and everything remains the same.
Except for your new friendly neighbourhood Reapers and green neons.
Control has the same result for the Reapers without the ego trip.

[Memnon]

First, I thought the explanation was a cop-out. Apparently it was tried before, but failed because they 'weren't ready.' Yet somehow we're ready now. Wow, that clears everything up. Second, the method of Synthesis - is there something special about Shepard's DNA or something or does it just need a warm body? Why not toss Anderson in there? I can think of a lot of people I would toss in that beam before I went in. Just tell the starbrat to hang on for a few minutes and we'll beam Cortez up. I mean ... we just sit there and accept it because starbrat says it (to say nothing of the fact that he's an AI that went nuts and should probably not be listened to to begin with).

Then, you let Shepard unilaterally transform every inhabitant in the galaxy into some kind of green-eyed hybrid, and at what cost? Individuality? Freedom? Are problems solved with consensus, or can people break away if they disagree? And there WILL be disagreements - unless there is no free will. And on top of THAT, the starbrat (i.e. the REAPERS) says it is the ideal solution - so your enemy and the murderer of millions upon trillions think it's the ideal solution ... and we're okay with that???? The whole thing just ... stinks.

Modifié par Stornskar, 04 juillet 2012 - 01:54 .

[Malditor]

DarkLord_PT wrote...

Why hate synthesis?
Morally, it's repulsive. You're forcing one (wo)man's wish on an entire galaxy without asking them if they want it. And Shepard has alternatives to synthesis, which makes it even more of a repulsive ego trip.
Physically, it's impossible. There's no way genetic material can be recombined into what the Crucible says it becomes. Further, after such a heavy genetic rewriting, everyone still looks EXACTLY the same except now have glowy eyes and green neons? Seriously? The synthetics don't even have the slightest hint of genetic material ffs!

Finally, either synthesis makes everyone the same and thus homogenizes and stagnates civilization, or it doesn't and everything remains the same.
Except for your new friendly neighbourhood Reapers and green neons.
Control has the same result for the Reapers without the ego trip.

Really, without the ego trip? Shepard becomes an immortal "god" who controls the reapers and can do what he wants with them. Depending on the attitude/disposition of the person behind Shepard Control presents a much larger case of ego tripping. Synthesis isn't about ego trip it's about compromise.

[zambot]

Because it's Bioware's pet happy ending, but Shepard dies. If Synthesis had just one scene of Shepard uniting with his/her LI, this forum would be crappnig rainbows of happiness.

[Malditor]

Stornskar wrote...

First, I thought the explanation was a cop-out. Apparently it was tried before, but failed because they 'weren't ready.' Yet somehow we're ready now. Wow, that clears everything up. Second, the method of Synthesis - is there something special about Shepard's DNA or something or does it just need a warm body? Why not toss Anderson in there? I can think of a lot of people I would toss in that beam before I went in. Just tell the starbrat to hang on for a few minutes and we'll beam Cortez up. I mean ... we just sit there and accept it because starbrat says it (to say nothing of the fact that he's an AI that went nuts and should probably not be listened to to begin with).

Then, you let Shepard unilaterally transform every inhabitant in the galaxy into some kind of green-eyed hybrid, and at what cost? Individuality? Freedom? Are problems solved with consensus, or can people break away if they disagree? And there WILL be disagreements - unless there is no free will. And on top of THAT, the starbrat (i.e. the REAPERS) says it is the ideal solution - so your enemy and the murderer of millions upon trillions think it's the ideal solution ... and we're okay with that???? The whole thing just ... stinks.

Shepard is unique in many ways, being the first organic to make it so far proved that. Part of why Shepard is chosen, in my opinion, is because he has been able to bridge the differences in the races, reach compromise and teamwork where others failed. This ability spread throught all beings synthetic and organic would help to promote a more peaceful existance for all. There are other factors of course, but this is the main factor that I felt was needed for Synthesis to work.

[Memnon]

Malditor wrote..

Shepard is unique in many ways, being the first organic to make it so far proved that. Part of why Shepard is chosen, in my opinion, is because he has been able to bridge the differences in the races, reach compromise and teamwork where others failed. This ability spread throught all beings synthetic and organic would help to promote a more peaceful existance for all. There are other factors of course, but this is the main factor that I felt was needed for Synthesis to work.

Are you saying that the essence of the person tossed into the beams is distributed to the new hybrids? So if I toss Cortez in, does everyone .. well nevermind. What if Shepard is a Renegade who wiped out the Rachni, the Geth and denied the Krogans a cure for the Genophage? What happens if I toss in EDI, Javik or Joker? I want to know what the threshold is for "being ready" at a DNA level ...

[Malditor]

Stornskar wrote...

Malditor wrote..

Shepard is unique in many ways, being the first organic to make it so far proved that. Part of why Shepard is chosen, in my opinion, is because he has been able to bridge the differences in the races, reach compromise and teamwork where others failed. This ability spread throught all beings synthetic and organic would help to promote a more peaceful existance for all. There are other factors of course, but this is the main factor that I felt was needed for Synthesis to work.

Are you saying that the essence of the person tossed into the beams is distributed to the new hybrids? So if I toss Cortez in, does everyone .. well nevermind. What if Shepard is a Renegade who wiped out the Rachni, the Geth and denied the Krogans a cure for the Genophage? What happens if I toss in EDI, Javik or Joker? I want to know what the threshold is for "being ready" at a DNA level ...

I doubt that anyone who was totally renegade went for synthesis, but ....
He was still able to get the races to work together which may be the only thing that needed to be distributed.

[translationninja]

My old philosophy professor would have such a field day with this thread and how something-in-me-changed-phobia would make people prefer that an entire sentient race would be wiped out forever.

Synthesis is rife with moral issues, but whether you are metagaming or going for total immersion, nothing changes, your Shep joins a long line of despots and dictators in the history of civilizations that thought mass murder is okay because of whatever ideological ideas they had.

Now you can do this whole hubbub about "but if I wake up green I have been murdered too", which is obviously nonsense. The examples and anlogies aren't far, you're more than likely already consuming plenty of genetically modified foods, and they are still what they once were. Tomatos haven't ceased to exist, they are merely genetically modified tomatos now. Or have you seen any hiveminded monster tomatos taking over the world lately.

Now in the course of a game, who cares, it's a simulated reality for people to live out their whatever notions without harm. Be a paragon, be a renegade, destroy the reapers and be a mass murderer, go for synthesis and believe it really is rainbows and unicorns, or choose control and believe Shep is strong enough the retain as much of his essence needed to fly them all into the nearest sun.

What is disturbing tho, in terms of observing how people argue, is how the most vile, morally despicable and rotten war crime of all, a genocide, is being made out to bo something else to justify people's moral cowardice.

Please don't even reply with the nonsense but green is genocide too. If you wake up green one morning you woke up, you aren't dead, you are alive, modified and alive. What you are professing to however, is that you are so afraid of being green and what that may mean, that you prefer to wipe an entire sentient race off the face of the universe, despite not even knowing if being green is the greatest thing since sliced bread.

You'd happily tell everyone how being green is the most evil thing in the entire known universe, hell being green is worse than being dead, being green makes you eat little children!!! And you are a hivemind too!!! Matter of fact you're not there anymore at all!!!! You are dead and that's just some green copy of you the boogyman wanted to install to begin with!!!!!


NO! period.

You're letting that uncomfortable feeling deep down at the thought of having your micriobiological equivalent of your quads messed with without a say cloud your moral judgement. Which is of course incidentally and ironically the same thing that happened in the eras of that aformentioned long line of despots and dictators. They were able to do what they did because people with various phobias, whether those were of change, or racial purity or for economic reasons helped them marginalize the sheer horror of what they were doing into "acceptable losses" or "necessary sacrifices" or whatever flavor you use to rationalize that it is better for others to die than it is for you to change.

Modifié par translationninja, 04 juillet 2012 - 04:54 .

[Aylyese]

[quote]Aloren wrote...

[quote]Aylyese wrote...

[quote]memorysquid wrote...

You're biasing your argument.  Synthesis eliminates the distinction.  [/quote]

That really does not make it better. It is outright saying that the solution to problems of differences is to remove the differences. 

Example, you are a Catholic and I am a Muslim. We can never get along with these differences, so lets synthesise us both to Scientologists. 

Horrible, disgusting precident and bioware should be ashamed.

[/quote]

Well, it's either that or kill all muslims so that you can still be the same and they all instantly cease to exist. It sure isn't an easy decision, but that's precisely why it's interesting.[/quote]

Why all Muslims? Perhaps the choice is to kill all Catholics.

But either way, I would rather be dead than be a Scientologist. True story.

[quote]JackumsD wrote...

[quote]Aylyese wrote...

The implication that suddenly conflict does not exist - that there is peace in the universe - causes a question of brainwashing.

[/quote]

There is no such implication. I already explained the term "peace" is relative. 

[quote]Aylyese wrote... 

They tried to write a utopia, and this is clearly an implication of the EDI narrative, but they went about it in such an objectional way that almost anyone could poke holes in it all day. In fact, the majority of people do and synthesis is the least popular ending. 

And even Pro-Synth are all for the end of conflict utopia. I had one argue the other day that it was because we all understand each other better by just digging into eachothers minds through the great network in the sky.

Buh Bye privacy!

Another speculation, sure.. but it all stems from the same place. That Synthesis was the rainbows and unicorns ending.. and like unicorns, it is a complete fantasy.

[/quote]

None of this implies brainwashing. Brainwashing, husks -- etc. -- are all implied only if you take the ending in a certain way. No ultimate peace is suggested. "Peace" is, yes. It's also not an absolute term. Peace could mean no large-scale wars. The word "peace" does not equate to "absolutely no conflict". So, again, there's nothing strongly enough implied to conclude any of these brainwashing theories are canon. Both anti and pro Synthesis speculation is all valid, and neither moreso than the other. The ending implies both utopian and dystopian outcomes, though neither is more prominent than the other and depend on how you perceive it, just like with the other endings. 

[/quote]

Of course the narrative doesn't imply brainwashing.. because no one has stopped to think of how such an outcome would be obtained. This is meant to be rainbows and lollipops. 

Common sense tells us it is impossible without something unwanted accompanying utopia. You can call it head canon all you want, but when it is the conclusion of the majority of people who have observed it, there is is something within the narrative driving us to it.

Cause and effect. Actions and consequences. This is basic stuff we are taught in primary/elementary school. I know you are here to argue with both sides because you just like to argue, but it doesn't help your case to dismiss implied narrative once again because it is not directly stated. Again, it treats Mass Effect like a childrens book. 

Polly opened the fridge. 
Polly got the milk. 
Polly pours some milk into a cup.

We are adults. A modicum of intelligence and reading between the lines is expected. 

[quote]memorysquid wrote...

[quote]Aylyese wrote...

[quote]memorysquid wrote...

You're biasing your argument.  Synthesis eliminates the distinction.  [/quote]

That really does not make it better. It is outright saying that the solution to problems of differences is to remove the differences. 

Example, you are a Catholic and I am a Muslim. We can never get along with these differences, so lets synthesise us both to Scientologists. 

Horrible, disgusting precident and bioware should be ashamed.

[/quote]

Catholics and Muslims can get along, but an important point to note is that they can't both be right.  Plus, it is a terribly weak analogy as neither religion created the other, neither side has an obvious advantage in self-improvement, neither is immortal, etc.[/quote]

Um.. Synthetics and Organics can get along too. You know.. How EDI loves Joker and the Geth and Quarians are living in peace on Rannoch. 

And the creator/created thing is irrelevant. There is conflict because they are different. Synthesis makes them 'understand eachother better' or some such nonsense by removing the differences and creating just life - you said it yourself. 

Finally, it is STILL saying the way to fix a problem of differences is to remove the differences. It is STILL disgusting. Tell all non-white people that we could be happy and end conflict and understand each other better and just be 'life' if they all went white. I'll wait here. Actually, I will start you off. This little native is telling you to bite your bum.

And it is incredible considering it spends the other 95% of the series giving you an option to promote peace in diversity. Considering they have Javik telling us our greatest strength IS our diversity. Considering you just did what the bratalyst said is impossible - peace between the creator and its created.. In fact, the bratalyst just said the created will always turn on its creator, when you know from the Geth archives that it was the Quarians that turned on the geth - AND other Quarians who were defending the geth.

And this is just a complete replay of the March/April arguments about WHY this ending was the dumbest thing every put to paper.. And it is still the strongest argument against using Synthesis.  

[quote]memorysquid wrote...

The point in picking it is it gives the best result in the game.  You then get to come on BSN and say, the writers are wrong, their idea they based this game on is foolish.  See it is really easy to deal with reality as it is, and then judge it after the fact.[/quote] 

Of course we are judging synthesis after the fact. It is impossible to judge it before we know what it is. 

[quote]Ryzaki wrote...

[quote]memorysquid wrote...
You can call a change like that a violation, perhaps it would be for you.  It wouldn't be for everyone.  Deal with it.

~snip~[/quote]

You changed people's bodies against their consent. You committed a massive violation. Deal with it. It doesn't matter if some people liked it. If you did it to even ONE SINGLE PERSON that didn't want it? MASSIVE VIOLATION. 

~snip~

[/quote] 

+All the internets.

Memorysquid, scary words. You are saying that certain peoples choices are more important than other peoples because - and this is the kicker - they agree with your opinion and everyone else just has to deal with having their dna changed against their will. 

IF someone wanted to be part synthetic in the ME universe, it has always been an option. And they were not treading on other peoples rights to be what they want to be while they are at it.

You cannot whitewash over a massive violation of human rights, even with democracy (in which case doesnt matter anyway as most polls on this page are 75% against Synthesis when compared to Refuse). 



I should stop now or this post will be huge.

[translationninja]

Aylyese, I appreciate the time you took for your post. It is sad though, that people think the will of the individual has more importance to it than the survival of an entire sentient species.

I guess the majority of humanity will never understand that the universe does not revolve around whether their will was heard or not...sigh...

[Aylyese]

translationninja wrote...

Aylyese, I appreciate the time you took for your post. It is sad though, that people think the will of the individual has more importance to it than the survival of an entire sentient species.

I guess the majority of humanity will never understand that the universe does not revolve around whether their will was heard or not...sigh...

Let me introduce you to a small document called "The Declaration of Human Rights". 

Just because one person beleives that such a thing is right for the species, that does not mean it is. Someone brought up vaccinations before. But some people are allergic to ingredients in vaccinations to the point that they need medical intervention to prevent their death. This is why a thing such as vaccinations - considered by people to be the best thing for the species - is opt in. 

It was decided a long time ago and it is still true today that no one should be allowed to force their views onto others. It really is time that the Pro-synth people took a look at the past to see why we do not adhere to this simplistic world view. It is dangerous. Imagine all the things you would NOT forced upon your life, your person, your family, your children, and realise that if someone takes the first step for the good of the species, then everyone who believes their idea is for the good of the species has precident on their side.

[translationninja]

Aylyese wrote...

translationninja wrote...

Aylyese, I appreciate the time you took for your post. It is sad though, that people think the will of the individual has more importance to it than the survival of an entire sentient species.

I guess the majority of humanity will never understand that the universe does not revolve around whether their will was heard or not...sigh...

Let me introduce you to a small document called "The Declaration of Human Rights". 

Just because one person beleives that such a thing is right for the species, that does not mean it is. Someone brought up vaccinations before. But some people are allergic to ingredients in vaccinations to the point that they need medical intervention to prevent their death. This is why a thing such as vaccinations - considered by people to be the best thing for the species - is opt in. 

It was decided a long time ago and it is still true today that no one should be allowed to force their views onto others. It really is time that the Pro-synth people took a look at the past to see why we do not adhere to this simplistic world view. It is dangerous. Imagine all the things you would NOT forced upon your life, your person, your family, your children, and realise that if someone takes the first step for the good of the species, then everyone who believes their idea is for the good of the species has precident on their side.

And  your declaration of rights says "And before this document is violated, go and wipe out another sentient race"

I'm afraid it is not the people in here that defend the merits of synthesis that have a simplistic view at all. As a matter of fact, all of them in here have at various occassions pointed at the fact that they realize the moral conundrum.

What you are saying though is my right to not be violated outweighs another sapient race's right to exist. You choose that another sapient race rather be extinct than someone elses right be violated. How is that the lesser of two evils? Because this particular type of "violation" strikes a nerve with you?

What do you think a geth cares for your human bill of rights? Do you  think any geth unit about to be wiped out thinks you bill of rights justifies the extinction of  their entire race.

So basically what you are saying is, when it comes to you being violated in a manner that rattles you, then your consent and all is the most important thing in the universe. When another species is about to be wiped out, I guess  their consent is not so important anymore as long as you get to feel intact afterwards. So in this case, it's okay to make a decision for them without prior consent.

I'm sorry man, you are being outright hippocritical. If it affects others, mkay you gotta do what yo gotta do, tough luck fellas. If it involves you OMG OMG my will my consent.

Of all the places on the interwebz I would have never expected a board of a Sci-Fi themed game being so rife with xenophobia.

This thread, infact, is ridiculously reminiscent of all the cliches Sci-Fi ever threw at humanity with respect to showing up on the scene last but immediately assuming human morality should supersede the entire universe. Apparently, these cliches are indeed rooted in reality, the most ardent proponents of mass murder in here do indeed think that way.

Now I certainly have no beef with any guy saying, meh, synthesis stinks because I don't like it and therefore I messed them toasters up good. Perfectly fine by me.

Why? Because that's perfectly honest, and hey, it's a game. What itches me though is thinly veiled misguided self-understandings of superiority that goes so far to proclaim that the intentional and instantaneous wiping out of a sentient species is anything else than reckless mass murder for selfish reasons.

Modifié par translationninja, 04 juillet 2012 - 08:28 .

[Bill Casey]

Synthesis kills everyone...

[Aylyese]

translationninja wrote...

Aylyese wrote...

translationninja wrote...

Aylyese, I appreciate the time you took for your post. It is sad though, that people think the will of the individual has more importance to it than the survival of an entire sentient species.

I guess the majority of humanity will never understand that the universe does not revolve around whether their will was heard or not...sigh...

Let me introduce you to a small document called "The Declaration of Human Rights". 

Just because one person beleives that such a thing is right for the species, that does not mean it is. Someone brought up vaccinations before. But some people are allergic to ingredients in vaccinations to the point that they need medical intervention to prevent their death. This is why a thing such as vaccinations - considered by people to be the best thing for the species - is opt in. 

It was decided a long time ago and it is still true today that no one should be allowed to force their views onto others. It really is time that the Pro-synth people took a look at the past to see why we do not adhere to this simplistic world view. It is dangerous. Imagine all the things you would NOT forced upon your life, your person, your family, your children, and realise that if someone takes the first step for the good of the species, then everyone who believes their idea is for the good of the species has precident on their side.

And  your declaration of rights says "And before this document is violated, go and wipe out another sentient race"

I'm afraid it is not the people in here that defend the merits of synthesis that have a simplistic view at all. As a matter of fact, all of them in here have at various occassions pointed at the fact that they realize the moral conundrum.

What you are saying though is my right to not be violated outweighs another sapient race's right to exist. You choose that another sapient race rather be extinct than someone elses right be violated. How is that the lesser of two evils? Because this particular type of "violation" strikes a nerve with you?

What do you think a geth cares for your human bill of rights? Do you  think any geth unit about to be wiped out thinks you bill of rights justifies the extinction of  their entire race.

So basically what you are saying is, when it comes to you being violated in a manner that rattles you, then your consent and all is the most important thing in the universe. When another species is about to be wiped out, I guess  their consent is not so important anymore as long as you get to feel intact afterwards. So in this case, it's okay to make a decision for them without prior consent.

I'm sorry man, you are being outright hippocritical. If it affects others, mkay you gotta do what yo gotta do, tough luck fellas. If it involves you OMG OMG my will my consent.

Of all the places on the interwebz I would have never expected a board of a Sci-Fi themed game being so rife with xenophobia.

Please do go back and find where I said it is better to wipe out the geth. Quote me, for the hell of it.

But I will play along. Synthesis violates the rights of the Geth as well. They too are being modified without their consent. So are the Asari, the Krogan, the Turians, the Salarians, the Quarians, the Batarians, the Yahg, the absolutely everyone in the galaxy! All of them are being violated by one human who thinks s/he knows what is best for all of them.

Because that is true arrogance.

Just because a human representation of Harbinger is telling you that this is the best solution for everyone, it doesn't mean that it is. His last best solution was to kill us all. He doesn't exactly have a reliable track record for giving a crap about anyone. 

Say what you want about me, but you are the only one here declaring that you know what is best for the entire galaxy.

Modifié par Aylyese, 04 juillet 2012 - 08:36 .

[CoolHanc101]

Synthesis forces one decision on EVERYONE.
This goes against the free-will and self-determination that shepard has been fighting for.

[MerchantGOL]

CoolHanc101 wrote...

Synthesis forces one decision on EVERYONE.
This goes against the free-will and self-determination that shepard has been fighting for.

but hes not taking away any ones free will or self determination.

[translationninja]

Aylyese wrote...

translationninja wrote...

Aylyese wrote...

translationninja wrote...

Aylyese, I appreciate the time you took for your post. It is sad though, that people think the will of the individual has more importance to it than the survival of an entire sentient species.

I guess the majority of humanity will never understand that the universe does not revolve around whether their will was heard or not...sigh...

Let me introduce you to a small document called "The Declaration of Human Rights". 

Just because one person beleives that such a thing is right for the species, that does not mean it is. Someone brought up vaccinations before. But some people are allergic to ingredients in vaccinations to the point that they need medical intervention to prevent their death. This is why a thing such as vaccinations - considered by people to be the best thing for the species - is opt in. 

It was decided a long time ago and it is still true today that no one should be allowed to force their views onto others. It really is time that the Pro-synth people took a look at the past to see why we do not adhere to this simplistic world view. It is dangerous. Imagine all the things you would NOT forced upon your life, your person, your family, your children, and realise that if someone takes the first step for the good of the species, then everyone who believes their idea is for the good of the species has precident on their side.

And  your declaration of rights says "And before this document is violated, go and wipe out another sentient race"

I'm afraid it is not the people in here that defend the merits of synthesis that have a simplistic view at all. As a matter of fact, all of them in here have at various occassions pointed at the fact that they realize the moral conundrum.

What you are saying though is my right to not be violated outweighs another sapient race's right to exist. You choose that another sapient race rather be extinct than someone elses right be violated. How is that the lesser of two evils? Because this particular type of "violation" strikes a nerve with you?

What do you think a geth cares for your human bill of rights? Do you  think any geth unit about to be wiped out thinks you bill of rights justifies the extinction of  their entire race.

So basically what you are saying is, when it comes to you being violated in a manner that rattles you, then your consent and all is the most important thing in the universe. When another species is about to be wiped out, I guess  their consent is not so important anymore as long as you get to feel intact afterwards. So in this case, it's okay to make a decision for them without prior consent.

I'm sorry man, you are being outright hippocritical. If it affects others, mkay you gotta do what yo gotta do, tough luck fellas. If it involves you OMG OMG my will my consent.

Of all the places on the interwebz I would have never expected a board of a Sci-Fi themed game being so rife with xenophobia.

Please do go back and find where I said it is better to wipe out the geth. Quote me, for the hell of it.

But I will play along. Synthesis violates the rights of the Geth as well. They too are being modified without their consent. So are the Asari, the Krogan, the Turians, the Salarians, the Quarians, the Batarians, the Yahg, the absolutely everyone in the galaxy! All of them are being violated by one human who thinks s/he knows what is best for all of them.

Because that is true arrogance.

Just because a human representation of Harbinger is telling you that this is the best solution for everyone, it doesn't mean that it is. His last best solution was to kill us all. He doesn't exactly have a reliable track record for giving a crap about anyone. 

Say what you want about me, but you are the only one here declaring that you know what is best for the entire galaxy.

No I don't declare that at all. The only thing I am declaring is that one is just as morally questionable as the other. Ingame and without metagaming Shep is confronted with the fact that ALL presented options could be lies, unreliable, etc., yet you advocate the use of the only option that GUARANTEES the death of an entire sapient species for fear of what MAY BE the result of the other options.

To this effect, from a moral standpoint, destroy is the worst option, because it is the only one that GUARANTEES death of a billion inhabitants of the universe and the extinction of an entire species.

[Aylyese]

MerchantGOL wrote...

CoolHanc101 wrote...

Synthesis forces one decision on EVERYONE.
This goes against the free-will and self-determination that shepard has been fighting for.

but hes not taking away any ones free will or self determination.

Just by forcing synthesis on everyone it is a violation of free will and self determination.