...granted their work is not perfect, but it's definately good.
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The writing doesn't deserve quite the amount of flak it gets.
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I always see posts bashing the writing of ME1,2 and 3. Granted there are plot holes, but c'mon guys. The BioWare writing staff is miles ahead of most developers. I've never been more involved in any other video games. The Dragon Age series feels like a novel unfolding before your eyes. A novel you get to write. The Mass Effect series feels like a movie you get to star in. The BioWare team is great at their jobs, we've just been spoiled by their talent.
...granted their work is not perfect, but it's definately good.
...granted their work is not perfect, but it's definately good.
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Posté 03 juillet 2012 - 09:31
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The Mad Hanar wrote...
I always see posts bashing the writing of ME1,2 and 3. Granted there are plot holes, but c'mon guys. The BioWare writing staff is miles ahead of most developers. I've never been more involved in any other video games. The Dragon Age series feels like a novel unfolding before your eyes. A novel you get to write. The Mass Effect series feels like a movie you get to star in. The BioWare team is great at their jobs, we've just been spoiled by their talent.
...granted their work is not perfect, but it's definately good.
since you played just ME3
i will tell you it quick
go away
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I've only REGISTERED ME3, I've played all the Mass Effect and Dragon Age games.
Go ahead, ask me a question about them.
...though I might not be able to answer DA2 questions, I never beat that game.
Go ahead, ask me a question about them.
...though I might not be able to answer DA2 questions, I never beat that game.
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Posté 03 juillet 2012 - 09:33
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The Mad Hanar wrote...
I always see posts bashing the writing of ME1,2 and 3. Granted there are plot holes, but c'mon guys. The BioWare writing staff is miles ahead of most developers. I've never been more involved in any other video games. The Dragon Age series feels like a novel unfolding before your eyes. A novel you get to write. The Mass Effect series feels like a movie you get to star in. The BioWare team is great at their jobs, we've just been spoiled by their talent.
...granted their work is not perfect, but it's definately good.
I agree. The storytelling isn't perfect, but it's miles ahead of any other videogame story I can think of.
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Posté 03 juillet 2012 - 09:36
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NinthGeorgesw wrote...
The Mad Hanar wrote...
I always see posts bashing the writing of ME1,2 and 3. Granted there are plot holes, but c'mon guys. The BioWare writing staff is miles ahead of most developers. I've never been more involved in any other video games. The Dragon Age series feels like a novel unfolding before your eyes. A novel you get to write. The Mass Effect series feels like a movie you get to star in. The BioWare team is great at their jobs, we've just been spoiled by their talent.
...granted their work is not perfect, but it's definately good.
I agree. The storytelling isn't perfect, but it's miles ahead of any other videogame story I can think of.
in order to be better
it needs to make sence
go watch the sovereign conversation from ME1 and then watch star kid ME 3 your head will explode
go read the novels and the comics then talk to the kid again *BOOM!!!* the head goes right off
ME1 was a masterpiece
ME2 was an amazing game
ME3 was the biggest pile of bad writing potholes and mambo jumbo ever created in the history of mankind
right there with matrix
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Exactly. The ME writing has it's faults, but compared to pretty much every single other game out there, it's really, REALLY, good! Just go back and play something like Gears of War after having played the ME games. Maybe that'll make you appreciate the ME writing a bit more.
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I haven't had my fill of Condescending today. HAVE AT ME.
But anyway, yes Bioware may be in the top rung with some of their storytelling, but you can't shovel out crap like ME3 and expect people to eat it up without complaints. You have to WORK at getting good stories. You can't just scribble down notes one night and use that for the end of a trilogy.
But anyway, yes Bioware may be in the top rung with some of their storytelling, but you can't shovel out crap like ME3 and expect people to eat it up without complaints. You have to WORK at getting good stories. You can't just scribble down notes one night and use that for the end of a trilogy.
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Alushadow wrote...
NinthGeorgesw wrote...
The Mad Hanar wrote...
I always see posts bashing the writing of ME1,2 and 3. Granted there are plot holes, but c'mon guys. The BioWare writing staff is miles ahead of most developers. I've never been more involved in any other video games. The Dragon Age series feels like a novel unfolding before your eyes. A novel you get to write. The Mass Effect series feels like a movie you get to star in. The BioWare team is great at their jobs, we've just been spoiled by their talent.
...granted their work is not perfect, but it's definately good.
I agree. The storytelling isn't perfect, but it's miles ahead of any other videogame story I can think of.
ME3 was the biggest pile of bad writing potholes and mambo jumbo ever created in the history of mankind
And the award for the biggest hyperbole of the day goes to...
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ME3's ending is utter garbage. Yes, their writing IS normally very good. That doesn't make slop somehow better just because it's next to writing that's decent.
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ME3's ending is utter garbage. Yes, their writing IS normally very good. That doesn't make slop somehow better just because it's next to writing that's decent.
Seriously? I understand people don't like the ending, but to call the entirety of ME3 utter garbage is completely ridiculous.
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But the ending! The endiiiiing!The Mad Hanar wrote...
Random Geth wrote...
ME3's ending is utter garbage. Yes, their writing IS normally very good. That doesn't make slop somehow better just because it's next to writing that's decent.
Seriously? I understand people don't like the ending, but to call the entirety of ME3 utter garbage is completely ridiculous.
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Posté 03 juillet 2012 - 09:47
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The Mad Hanar wrote...
Random Geth wrote...
ME3's ending is utter garbage. Yes, their writing IS normally very good. That doesn't make slop somehow better just because it's next to writing that's decent.
Seriously? I understand people don't like the ending, but to call the entirety of ME3 utter garbage is completely ridiculous.
I wouldn't call it utter garbage, but it's mediocre at best compared to the previous titles. Even nost considering the ending.
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they go to ME1 since
we see a "super AI" that didnt exist before it
no lore or any plot was leading to this
he was created 10 minutes before the end
therefore he makes holes in the whole trilogy
me1- effected ME2 had a great story long storyline
me2- effects ME3 good story solid plot long storyline
me3- ends everything nothing effects nothing no matter what you do you will reach the same ending
you will receive the same options and if you refuse them you die for the sake of artistic integrity
story line 4-6 hours of main story - no character recruitment you pick them as you go along
only 8 main missions give or take few side missions and thats it
i hardly call "that" a good story let alone "better" then anything else
and do not compare a bad game like gears of war to try and justify ME3
ME3 is a bad game and same goes for gears of wars they do not counter each other out
they are simply BAD
we see a "super AI" that didnt exist before it
no lore or any plot was leading to this
he was created 10 minutes before the end
therefore he makes holes in the whole trilogy
me1- effected ME2 had a great story long storyline
me2- effects ME3 good story solid plot long storyline
me3- ends everything nothing effects nothing no matter what you do you will reach the same ending
you will receive the same options and if you refuse them you die for the sake of artistic integrity
story line 4-6 hours of main story - no character recruitment you pick them as you go along
only 8 main missions give or take few side missions and thats it
i hardly call "that" a good story let alone "better" then anything else
and do not compare a bad game like gears of war to try and justify ME3
ME3 is a bad game and same goes for gears of wars they do not counter each other out
they are simply BAD
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The Mad Hanar wrote...
Random Geth wrote...
ME3's ending is utter garbage. Yes, their writing IS normally very good. That doesn't make slop somehow better just because it's next to writing that's decent.
Seriously? I understand people don't like the ending, but to call the entirety of ME3 utter garbage is completely ridiculous.
Oh come on, you can't honestly say the Crucible was good writing? Or the intro? Or the way Cerberus was handled?
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ME1 was a masterpiece
No.
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Posté 03 juillet 2012 - 09:49
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The Mad Hanar wrote...
Random Geth wrote...
ME3's ending is utter garbage. Yes, their writing IS normally very good. That doesn't make slop somehow better just because it's next to writing that's decent.
Seriously? I understand people don't like the ending, but to call the entirety of ME3 utter garbage is completely ridiculous.
- The intro
- Pandering to new players
- Kai Leng
- The Empire of Cerberus
- Evil Udina
- TIM becoming a grade A moron
- Misuse of Harbinger
- Misuse of ME2 characters
- Misuse of the Rachni
- Kai Leng
- The concept and execution of the Crucible
- In fact, virtually everything except Rannoch, Tuchanka and maybe Sanctuary.
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Posté 03 juillet 2012 - 09:51
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The Angry One wrote...
The Mad Hanar wrote...
Random Geth wrote...
ME3's ending is utter garbage. Yes, their writing IS normally very good. That doesn't make slop somehow better just because it's next to writing that's decent.
Seriously? I understand people don't like the ending, but to call the entirety of ME3 utter garbage is completely ridiculous.
- The intro
- Pandering to new players
- Kai Leng
- The Empire of Cerberus
- Evil Udina
- TIM becoming a grade A moron
- Misuse of Harbinger
- Misuse of ME2 characters
- Misuse of the Rachni
- Kai Leng
- The concept and execution of the Crucible
- In fact, virtually everything except Rannoch, Tuchanka and maybe Sanctuary.
its good to see some people still got a head on the shoulders
to say ME3 was good is just absurd this tread is denied!
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Posté 03 juillet 2012 - 09:52
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If anything their spoiled to have a dedicated and responsive fanbase who cares so much about the Mass Effect Universe and characters. Sure people bash the endings, or certain parts of the game, but Mass Effect 3 wasn't a bad game, it just had its moments where things didn't play out as we originally thought or heard or somethings were so confusing or blantely wrong or unexplainable.
I'm just saying, we the fans aren't spoiled, sure Mass Effect has done amazing things in terms of role playing games that we rarely see in todays market, but just because we're able to play and experience that and get sequels doesn't mean that we the fans are spoiled by thier talent. If were going by that logic, then Gearheads are spoiled by epic for crafting great gameplay or Bungie (or Halo) fans spoiled with Halo's innovation or Infinity ward COD fans spoiled with the yearly arcade shooter Call of Duty or Dice Battlefield fans spoiled with Battlefields destruction etc.
Fans aren't spoiled, we pay for a product and we get it, sometimes we get average games, other times we get gems that we just can't get enough, regardless, a developers talent doesn't spoil their fans.
I'm just saying, we the fans aren't spoiled, sure Mass Effect has done amazing things in terms of role playing games that we rarely see in todays market, but just because we're able to play and experience that and get sequels doesn't mean that we the fans are spoiled by thier talent. If were going by that logic, then Gearheads are spoiled by epic for crafting great gameplay or Bungie (or Halo) fans spoiled with Halo's innovation or Infinity ward COD fans spoiled with the yearly arcade shooter Call of Duty or Dice Battlefield fans spoiled with Battlefields destruction etc.
Fans aren't spoiled, we pay for a product and we get it, sometimes we get average games, other times we get gems that we just can't get enough, regardless, a developers talent doesn't spoil their fans.
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The Angry One wrote...
The Mad Hanar wrote...
Random Geth wrote...
ME3's ending is utter garbage. Yes, their writing IS normally very good. That doesn't make slop somehow better just because it's next to writing that's decent.
Seriously? I understand people don't like the ending, but to call the entirety of ME3 utter garbage is completely ridiculous.
- The intro
- Pandering to new players
- Kai Leng
- The Empire of Cerberus
- Evil Udina
- TIM becoming a grade A moron
- Misuse of Harbinger
- Misuse of ME2 characters
- Misuse of the Rachni
- Kai Leng
- The concept and execution of the Crucible
- In fact, virtually everything except Rannoch, Tuchanka and maybe Sanctuary.
To be fair, some of Rannoch is stupid as well, such as fighting a Reaper on foot. Makes them seem way more theatening, when a human can just jump aside to avoid their lazer. Though I think they may have eye problems, since Harbinger doesn't even notice the Normandy hovering around in the end.
Though the rest of the Rannoch arc is good.
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Let's put it this way. All this vitriol and mudslinging found all over BSN is due to because of how much invested everyone is with Mass Effect. I'd rather have dozens of threads warring over which ending was better than an empty forum. It just proves that the story did have an effect on people be it positive or negative.
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The Mad Hanar wrote...
I always see posts bashing the writing of ME1,2 and 3. Granted there are plot holes, but c'mon guys. The BioWare writing staff is miles ahead of most developers. I've never been more involved in any other video games. The Dragon Age series feels like a novel unfolding before your eyes. A novel you get to write. The Mass Effect series feels like a movie you get to star in. The BioWare team is great at their jobs, we've just been spoiled by their talent.
...granted their work is not perfect, but it's definately good.
Dragon age 2 is like watching someone you love being murdered before your eyes.
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Posté 03 juillet 2012 - 09:56
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There's soooo much wrong with that post.Alushadow wrote...
they go to ME1 since
we see a "super AI" that didnt exist before it
no lore or any plot was leading to this
he was created 10 minutes before the end
therefore he makes holes in the whole trilogy
me1- effected ME2 had a great story long storyline
me2- effects ME3 good story solid plot long storyline
me3- ends everything nothing effects nothing no matter what you do you will reach the same ending
you will receive the same options and if you refuse them you die for the sake of artistic integrity
story line 4-6 hours of main story - no character recruitment you pick them as you go along
only 8 main missions give or take few side missions and thats it
i hardly call "that" a good story let alone "better" then anything else
and do not compare a bad game like gears of war to try and justify ME3
ME3 is a bad game and same goes for gears of wars they do not counter each other out
they are simply BAD
"me1- effected ME2 had a great story long storyline"
No it didn't. If you only play the main mission, ME1 can be completed in less than 6 hours.
"me2- effects ME3 good story solid plot long storyline "
No, the plot wasn't solid. Actually, it barely had a plot. It was more focused on the characters, and it did that very well, but the main plot wasn't great.
"me3- ends everything nothing effects nothing no matter what you do you will reach the same ending"
Not after the EC.
"you will receive the same options and if you refuse them you die for the sake of artistic integrity "
If you refuse them you're a silly person. Read my sig for more info.
"story line 4-6 hours of main story - no character recruitment you pick them as you go along "
Same with ME1, and for some reason, you loved that one.
"ME3 is a bad game and same goes for gears of wars they do not counter each other out
they are simply BAD "
None of those games are bad. The writing in Gears is terrible compared to Mass Effect. There's no way you can deny that.
You're just whining because BW didn't end the game in the way you wanted them to. Being dissapointed is fine. That's okay. But saying that ME3 is a bad game, is just downright stupid. It's not a bad game. The original ending may have sucked, but the game is still objectively better than most other videogames released this year alone. If you can't back up your points with something that makes just a little bit of sense, then don't bother.
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- The intro was a good segue after Arrival. A trial would've been utterly ridiculous.
- I'll give you that
- That too
- Cerberus was always evil. Nothing about them changed.
- Udina snapped.
- TIM definately took a step down.
- Like Harbinger was a serious villan in the first place?
- We didn't need a 20 person crew. The ME2 characters all had good side missions. Except Thane. he got screwed over.
- The Rachni was some bullcrap.
- I'll give you that again.
- There wasn't a way to defeat the Reapers conventionally. I would not have taken BioWare seriously if they came up with a way. The battle of Sovereign solidfied that in my mind.
- ME3 had more of a plot than ME2
- ME3 wrapped up arcs and in-universe issues beautifully.
- The intro was a good segue after Arrival. A trial would've been utterly ridiculous.
- I'll give you that
- That too
- Cerberus was always evil. Nothing about them changed.
- Udina snapped.
- TIM definately took a step down.
- Like Harbinger was a serious villan in the first place?
- We didn't need a 20 person crew. The ME2 characters all had good side missions. Except Thane. he got screwed over.
- The Rachni was some bullcrap.
- I'll give you that again.
- There wasn't a way to defeat the Reapers conventionally. I would not have taken BioWare seriously if they came up with a way. The battle of Sovereign solidfied that in my mind.
- ME3 had more of a plot than ME2
- ME3 wrapped up arcs and in-universe issues beautifully.
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The Mad Hanar wrote...
Random Geth wrote...
ME3's ending is utter garbage. Yes, their writing IS normally very good. That doesn't make slop somehow better just because it's next to writing that's decent.
Seriously? I understand people don't like the ending, but to call the entirety of ME3 utter garbage is completely ridiculous.
The entire plot of ME3 is incoherent mess.
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The Mad Hanar wrote...
Random Geth wrote...
ME3's ending is utter garbage. Yes, their writing IS normally very good. That doesn't make slop somehow better just because it's next to writing that's decent.
Seriously? I understand people don't like the ending, but to call the entirety of ME3 utter garbage is completely ridiculous.
It is utter garbage, it felt like they didn't know how to continue so they decided to scribble some crap down and went with that.
I understand why you might not see that as not all people see behind the lies.
