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[Kamfrenchie]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

I always see posts bashing the writing of ME1,2 and 3. Granted there are plot holes, but c'mon guys. The BioWare writing staff is miles ahead of most developers. I've never been more involved in any other video games. The Dragon Age series feels like a novel unfolding before your eyes. A novel you get to write. The Mass Effect series feels like a movie you get to star in. The BioWare team is great at their jobs, we've just been spoiled by their talent.



...granted their work is not perfect, but it's definately good.

Bioware quality is dropping.
Check out baldur's gate and fallout

Bioware is overrated.
Play games like the Witcher and get important choices that aren't lack nd white morally speaking
Play Deus ex
PLay freespace 2 (no choices, but much more coherent story)
ground control and wic
and many more I can't thik of atm.

Alpha protocol has a great story afaik, but I haven't tested it yet.
I heard good tings about spec ops the line too.

Oh and I forgot C&C  Tiberium dawn


Bioware are overated like Blizzard

Modifié par Kamfrenchie, 03 juillet 2012 - 11:36 .

[The Spamming Troll]

Kamfrenchie wrote...

Bioware is overrated.

and over valued by EA. EA shoulda targetted bethesda or CD project.

and bioware shoulda targetted obsidian or something to make ME2 or ME3.

and i shouldnt have bought the CE of ME3.

we are all fools.

Modifié par The Spamming Troll, 03 juillet 2012 - 11:38 .

[Kamfrenchie]

Danielle100 wrote...

I've played oblivion and skyrim the writing is very bland. I couldn't finish oblivion and I finished skyrim twice compared to DA origins 10+, DA2 10+, ME1 6+, ME2 6+ and ME3 6+.


Edit: I love Bioware games but I didn't like the ending of ME3
 

skyrim is meant o be a sandbox, the scenario doen't matter nearly as much

[Kamfrenchie]

The Spamming Troll wrote...

Kamfrenchie wrote...

Bioware is overrated.

and over valued by EA. EA shoulda targetted bethesda or CD project.

and bioware shoulda targetted obsidian or something to make ME2 or ME3.

and i shouldnt have bought the CE of ME3.

we are all fools.

I've taken the habit of waiting fo a price drop (got mine for 15 E )

Mr Btongue made  vid in which he said EA probly wnt all o their games to be like teir sports game: 1 pr year, minimum effort, lotsa copies. They probably want the ME  IP to become a TPS with rpg elment tht they can mass produce

Biggest  mystake they mad is pobably TOR. Absurdly high cost, absurdly high rsik and time needed to even get the money back. What wer they thinking?

[frylock23]

Bobby Flay is a very fine chef and good with the grill. But no matter how good he is, if I went to his restaurant, found out that he was in the kitchen and the waiter brought me a Banquet Salibury steak on a plate, I'd still call it crap.

[Kamfrenchie]

jreezy wrote...

Kamfrenchie wrote...

Bioware are overated like Blizzard

This really grinds my gears. You're referring to BioWare as a single entity, please use "is" and not "are".

sorry

[Hendrik.III]

The writing in part 3 is derailing compared to part 1 and 2. It's tying up ends in rapid succession without much added story. It's like the final battle getting it's own movie.

There is very little story compared to part 1, it's mostly action and atmosphere. I don't mind too much, since the reapers are on the doorstep at the end of 2 anyway, so what's more to tell besides the last battle?

What I do think is bad writing, is the omission of so many nice characters. Too much has been tied up using emails, overhearing conversations and even twitter (which is blasphemous, since it wasn't even ingame). We got so much backstory and sidequests that could and should have at least deserved a place in ME3, but wasn't allowed for some reason we can only speculate about.

To me, part three feels hurried and summarized, as if they were running out of pages to write on, so to speak.

Modifié par Hendrik.III, 04 juillet 2012 - 12:18 .

[VoodooDrackus]

CronoDragoon wrote...

I haven't played Halo so I can't comment. But I do believe ME3's writing is better than Dragon Age 2's. Origins had great characters but the main plot was ridiculous and cliche. The Dark Ritual is a convoluted and contrived way to add a "nobody dies" option.
"The Archdemon's soul upon death will magically fly and destroy the soul of the Warden closest! However, if we make a 12 hour old fertilized egg, the soul will fly there instead and not destroy the egg's 'soul' because it's pure!"

I mean, I was sort of smiling just listening to the whole explanation. But people let it slide because it let their Warden survive. Imagine if such a convoluted explanation led to the death of the Warden no matter what. People would have been PISSED.

Edit: I loved Arkham Asylum, but not because it has deep, mature writing. It's classic comic book fun.

Bah, forget about Origins (may I never play that game again). DA 2's story and writing is far and beyond better than Origins.

Is it better than ME3's writing? Do I really have to choose? They both have their strong points.

[VoodooDrackus]

The Spamming Troll wrote...

and bioware shoulda targetted obsidian or something to make ME2 or ME3.

I love obsidian and everything, but what they did in Fallout New Vegas really bothered me especially with the ending.

Alpha Protocol on the other hand has a great story, dialogue and over the top characters. (favorite game, actually about to pick it back up again)

Dungeon siege 3 is ok. Not a great story, but I liked what they were doing.

Now then. No. Simply because the writing in ME2 and ME3 is still better than what Obsidian have done.

[NobodyofConsequence]

May well have been said earlier in the piece here, but I think Bioware has two distinct writing streams - characterisation, and plotting. Characterisation is generally superb, and does impact plottign in a way which is generally handled extremely well. Plotting, not so much. They seem to be going astray when the story stops being character driven and becomes overtly thematically driven cf Tuchanka/Catalyst.

[AnthonyDraft]

El Mito wrote...

Obisidian is miles above Bethesda when it comes to crafting a story. Miles. Bioware hasn't written a good story since the first Mass Effect. They've been going downhill ever since.

Mass Effect 2 had a great story. Some of the SWTOR class stories were great as well.

That is, howerver, a personal opinion. Your opinion doesn't make it a fact.

[SnazzyBeast]

It's not just about the story with Mass Effect (which i do feel is quite good). They created a truly immersive experience in a really expansive universe. They created well-developed characters that alot of people really care about (see the numerous requests for LI DLC). Are there plot holes - sure, but you can find plot holes in almost any story, especially one as complex and expansive as Mass Effect. They gave us the ability as players to make choices that carried over from game to game to really personalize the experience. Granted, those choices were not as impactful as many had hoped for at the end, but it can't be an easy task to manage all of those variables when designing the game. Even if we just limit the impact of our choices to character survival, it still makes quite a difference; if i'm not mistaken we could only have a handful of survivors left by the beam run (EDI, James, maybe Liara). Quite a few characters may not even make it to ME3 at all for some players. So yes I agree, BioWare doesn't deserve all the flak it's getting.

[element eater]

mass effect 2 and certainly 3 deserve flak for bad writing

characters are good though, but then they totaly waste them in ME3 anyway

[RebelTitan428]

ashley williams xenophobic views = unresolved
acknowledging Virmire casualty = non existant
Wrex's family matter = unresolved
Jack and cerberus = unresolved
Point of collectors = unresolved
harbinger = unresolved

i could keep going if you like ....

[SnazzyBeast]

There are plenty of humans with xenophobic views, which shouldn't be unexpected. For the record, i don't really see Ashley as being one of them, but that's another debate. However, what's to be resolved there? I could certainly just be forgetting, but what's left to be resolved about Wrex's family and Jack and Cerberus? I felt that the Virmire casualty was acknowledged sufficiently. Plus, there are numerous other potential casualties for your squad. Is it of major importance to see everyone mourned? The collectors were re-purposed Protheans that were helping with the construction of the human reaper. Harbinger wasn't "unresolved", but I definitely agree that his lack of presence in ME3 was disappointing.