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[Wulfram]

They write good dialogue and engaging characters. And they're about the best in the business as far as voice over goes.

But that just means it's more annoying that they're sloppy with the plot. Their treatment of ME3's ending was particularly poor, and it was a failure that was fundamental - the ending was something just to be tacked on at the end, when it should be something that is fundamental to the story from the beginning.

[Alushadow]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

iAFKinMassEffect3 wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

So, just because people hate ME3, I should too? As a gamer, ME3 was heads and shoulders above most of the other stuff I've played. I'm not a BioWare fanatic, I've only played DA and ME. So I don't know how it stacks up to other BioWare works. But it is WAY better than most of the crap that comes out every year.

Funny how you just snip out what I said instead of replying to it. Then citing reviews done by over emotional/dramitc people.

I played a game called The Last Remnant shortly after completing Mass effect 3.

Say what you want about how Mass effect 3 is leagues ahead of other games but that game was nothing short of awesome and had a cool emotional story despite it's negatives.
It's not a game I would consider a must buy or great but it was good and I would not say it is better than a lot of other RPG's or JRPG's that come out but it is better than Mass effect 3.

I'm not saying that ME3 is the only good game out there, it's just very good compared to the majority of the market. 30 hours of gameplay, a good (yes, I know it's subjective) story, the ability to make your own character, good gameplay mechanics, and a decent added multiplayer mode. I feel like I got my moneys worth. It's one of the few games I spent $60 on. Normally I won't go above $20.

see there is the problem man
there ill put the sentence out for you so you would understand
" im not saying that ME3 is the only good game out there"
you are talking out of the basic misguided assumption that mass effect 3 was any good at all
realize that mass effect was a big pile of crap scrapped up by bad lazy writers
and then we can keep talking

[Krunjar]

Haha all the wishful thinkers. It seems that the geek crowd that used to isolise star wars and star trek have ended up here to a degree. The way geeks can take a piece of rather mediocre fiction that is presented well and give it huge artistic heirs is beyond me. I like another poster have only registered three. But have played through the entire series several times and can assure you it is NO act of genius. The plot is made of Swiss cheese and is full of space magic from day one. People are just annoyed they didn't get the specific ending THEY wanted.

[Mezantine]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

I'm starting to remember why I never argue with anybody here anymore.

In most people's eyes if you like ME3 you are not intellegent, you are not invested in the series, you have no taste, you are not able to comprehend the plot of ME1, you kill puppies, you like COD, etc.

The Mad Hanar wrote...


And the award for the biggest hyperbole of the day goes to...

[Femlob]

Krunjar wrote...

Haha all the wishful thinkers. It seems that the geek crowd that used to isolise star wars and star trek have ended up here to a degree. The way geeks can take a piece of rather mediocre fiction that is presented well and give it huge artistic heirs is beyond me. I like another poster have only registered three. But have played through the entire series several times and can assure you it is NO act of genius. The plot is made of Swiss cheese and is full of space magic from day one. People are just annoyed they didn't get the specific ending THEY wanted.

Hrm.

Define specific ending?

[Mezantine]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Mezantine wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

I'm starting to remember why I never argue with anybody here anymore.

In most people's eyes if you like ME3 you are not intellegent, you are not invested in the series, you have no taste, you are not able to comprehend the plot of ME1, you kill puppies, you like COD, etc.

The Mad Hanar wrote...


And the award for the biggest hyperbole of the day goes to...

I don't see how that was an insult at all.

I find it funny how you attacked someone for using hyperbole and then did the same thing youself anyway.  

[Brovikk Rasputin]

Alushadow wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

iAFKinMassEffect3 wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

So, just because people hate ME3, I should too? As a gamer, ME3 was heads and shoulders above most of the other stuff I've played. I'm not a BioWare fanatic, I've only played DA and ME. So I don't know how it stacks up to other BioWare works. But it is WAY better than most of the crap that comes out every year.

Funny how you just snip out what I said instead of replying to it. Then citing reviews done by over emotional/dramitc people.

I played a game called The Last Remnant shortly after completing Mass effect 3.

Say what you want about how Mass effect 3 is leagues ahead of other games but that game was nothing short of awesome and had a cool emotional story despite it's negatives.
It's not a game I would consider a must buy or great but it was good and I would not say it is better than a lot of other RPG's or JRPG's that come out but it is better than Mass effect 3.

I'm not saying that ME3 is the only good game out there, it's just very good compared to the majority of the market. 30 hours of gameplay, a good (yes, I know it's subjective) story, the ability to make your own character, good gameplay mechanics, and a decent added multiplayer mode. I feel like I got my moneys worth. It's one of the few games I spent $60 on. Normally I won't go above $20.

see there is the problem man
there ill put the sentence out for you so you would understand
" im not saying that ME3 is the only good game out there"
you are talking out of the basic misguided assumption that mass effect 3 was any good at all
realize that mass effect was a big pile of crap scrapped up by bad lazy writers
and then we can keep talking

Oh lord..

[Arcadian Legend]

*sigh^

How do I reach these keeds?

[SpamBot2000]

Krunjar wrote...

Haha all the wishful thinkers. It seems that the geek crowd that used to isolise star wars and star trek have ended up here to a degree. The way geeks can take a piece of rather mediocre fiction that is presented well and give it huge artistic heirs is beyond me. I like another poster have only registered three. But have played through the entire series several times and can assure you it is NO act of genius. The plot is made of Swiss cheese and is full of space magic from day one. People are just annoyed they didn't get the specific ending THEY wanted.

Then again, there is the concern for the way EA is chipping away at the very idea of what a video game can be. If that is lost to 2-second addiction loops designed to hoover up the loose change of the gullible, that's just another way of enjoyment gone. You played Mass Effect much more than I did and can't see that? Why would you play it at all?

[Aylyese]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

And the award for the biggest hyperbole of the day goes to...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

The ME writing has it's faults, but compared to pretty much every single other game out there, it's really, REALLY, good! .

 

Every single other game. Seriously? 

[flanny]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

I always see posts bashing the writing of ME1,2 and 3. Granted there are plot holes, but c'mon guys. The BioWare writing staff is miles ahead of most developers. I've never been more involved in any other video games. The Dragon Age series feels like a novel unfolding before your eyes. A novel you get to write. The Mass Effect series feels like a movie you get to star in. The BioWare team is great at their jobs, we've just been spoiled by their talent.



...granted their work is not perfect, but it's definately good.

don't group them together, they weren't written by the same people and ME3 destroys the other 2

[iAFKinMassEffect3]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Aylyese wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

And the award for the biggest hyperbole of the day goes to...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

The ME writing has it's faults, but compared to pretty much every single other game out there, it's really, REALLY, good! .

 

Every single other game. Seriously? 

You're right, I should've said the majority of what I've played.

Which is not much

[Joccaren]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

So, just because people hate ME3, I should too?

No. However, whenever you participate in an ME3 discussion where you call its story good, you are asking for other opinions. If not, there really is no reason for your post. You say its good, and give your reasons, other people say its bad and give their reasons. Nobody is [or at least should be] telling you to love or hate the game, but when you post your opinion, others are going to post theirs too.

As a gamer, ME3 was heads and shoulders above most of the other stuff I've played. I'm not a BioWare fanatic, I've only played DA and ME. So I don't know how it stacks up to other BioWare works. But it is WAY better than most of the crap that comes out every year.

Personally I think this depends on what "Most of the other crap" is, and what you're looking for in the game.
Batman Arkham City = Better than ME3
Deus Ex: Human Revolution = Better than ME3
Bioshock = Better than ME3
Bioshock 2 = Better than ME3
Diablo 3, if you take away its ****ty DRM = Better than ME3
Starcraft 2 = Better than ME3
Sins of a Solar Empire Rebellion = Better than ME3

Granted, all of these are IMO [of course], and a number of them are a few years old at this point, but I haven't even scratched the surface of the games I could list.
Comparing ME3 to CoD and Battlefield and everything that tries to clone them - yeah its probably going to come out on top - in the writing department. Gameplay wise, those other games are generally more polished with their goal in mind than ME3 is.

Now, is ME3 the worst game of all time?
No. Far from it.
Is it the most disappointing game of all time?
For many, yeah. It had massive potential to be truly amazing, but instead it was a cinematic shooter with minigames on the side. A lot of us were truly let down by it, and that is likely whilst people call it one of the worst games ever.
Objectively was it the worst game ever?
Hell no.
Was playing it one of the less fun experiences I've had in gaming?
Yeah. I generally pick my games pretty well for what I'll like, and I haven't picked up anything that has made me want to stop playing until I finished ME3. The gameplay's fine and works well, but after comparing what it was to what my expectations of it were... I just couldn't find it entertaining. Too linear, too much auto-dialogue, not enough role playing, not enough consequences, not enough content and a whole heap of other things.
Moral of the story?
Never listen to any company advertising their games. Ever. Always expect the worst, and you will never be disappointed, and occasionally pleasantly surprised.

[AxStapleton]

Alushadow wrote...


see there is the problem man
there ill put the sentence out for you so you would understand
" im not saying that ME3 is the only good game out there"
you are talking out of the basic misguided assumption that mass effect 3 was any good at all
realize that mass effect was a big pile of crap scrapped up by bad lazy writers
and then we can keep talking

I agree with many of your points but all of the posts I've seen you write in any thread can be described in one sentence: "Agree with me or there is no point talking."

This is a very childish stance to take and not many people (even those who agree with you) will take you seriously.

They are needlessly aggressive, confrontational and may come across to some as slightly trollish.

[Aloren]

Alushadow wrote...
you are talking out of the basic misguided assumption that mass effect 3 was any good at all
realize that mass effect was a big pile of crap scrapped up by bad lazy writers
and then we can keep talking

How do you expect anyone who liked the game to be interested in discussing with you ?
And out of cusiosity, if the game was so horrible, why do you still waste your time here months after launch ?
I mean, basically, you sound like you're here only to keep talking about something you hated to other people who hated it, or to tell people who liked it that they're wrong and they should hate it; and you seem to enjoy it.
That's basically sadomasochism.

[AxStapleton]

What I will say about the title of the thread is that it attracts people who are more likely to be offended and lash out. You could have worded it much better.

Edit: So I'd recommend you change the name of it before it gets locked.

Modifié par AxStapleton, 03 juillet 2012 - 11:30 .

[iAFKinMassEffect3]

The Mad Hanar wrote...


Right, you totally know what I have and haven't played.

Tell me your Gamertag and I can have a look.

[Joccaren]

Krunjar wrote...

Haha all the wishful thinkers. It seems that the geek crowd that used to isolise star wars and star trek have ended up here to a degree. The way geeks can take a piece of rather mediocre fiction that is presented well and give it huge artistic heirs is beyond me. I like another poster have only registered three. But have played through the entire series several times and can assure you it is NO act of genius. The plot is made of Swiss cheese and is full of space magic from day one. People are just annoyed they didn't get the specific ending THEY wanted.

Calling people Geeks, coming from someone posting on an online forum about a Sci-Fi epic. Seems legit.


I wouldn't call ME1 or 2 art anymore. Before ME3 they set the ME series up to become art as a new form of story telling - a story in which the player forged the plot. Truly interactive story telling. Instead we ended up getting that same sort of thing you find in all those "Pick your adventure" books, where either nothing matters, or there is only one right path to reach the end, and only one overall ending [Excluding Death and loss].

ME has never been genious, however it has always been presented well [IMO until 3] and had some truly great moments. The Sovereign speech from ME1 stands out. It was nice to have some lovecraftian enemies rather than Hollywood enemies for a change. That presentation is what made people love it. That presentation also, IMO, fell apart in ME3 when the game went from being an RPG to being a cinematic shooter.

And people aren't annoyed they didn't get their specific ending. They're annoyed at the lack of overall choice in the endings, how little your choices actually effect [See my point on art: It had the potential to be almost unique in the gaming world, but blew it by forcing everything down to 3 choices], the completely contrived plot of the third game [Namely: Crucible] and a manifestation of their overall disappointments with the game as a whole. I for one would not have hated the ending so much had the rest of the game been satisfying, but it wasn't. I don't doubt there are many others in the same situation.

[Aylyese]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Aylyese wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

And the award for the biggest hyperbole of the day goes to...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

The ME writing has it's faults, but compared to pretty much every single other game out there, it's really, REALLY, good! .

 

Every single other game. Seriously? 

You're right, I should've said the majority of what I've played.

So you are Brovikk as well? Genuine curisoty.

[Hvlukas]

This thread is just ripe for the locking, eh?

[Gterror2]

Hvlukas wrote...

This thread is just ripe for the locking, eh?

Wheres my popcorn?Keep it going folks...