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[AxStapleton]

iAFKinMassEffect3 wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...


Right, you totally know what I have and haven't played.

Tell me your Gamertag and I can have a look.

Asking for people's Personal info on the internet? Very smooth.

[Joccaren]

Aloren wrote...
And out of cusiosity, if the game was so horrible, why do you still waste your time here months after launch ?

Probably for the same reason I spent about 10X more time debating Skyrim politics than actually playing Skyrim.

Sure, the game is mediocre/poor/bad/crap/W.E your opinion on it is, but that opens up avenues for conversation and communication - vital human skills which many people enjoy.

Also, debating is fun. Call me crazy but sometimes I like writing page long essays [Only sometimes an exaggeration] in response to someone else's opinion online for the simple reason of continuing the debate.

[Dendio1]

ME3 was the biggest pile of bad writing potholes and mambo jumbo ever created in the history of mankind
right there with matrix

You see its posts like this that make me wonder if I should take BSN seriously sometimes

[Eain]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

I always see posts bashing the writing of ME1,2 and 3. Granted there are plot holes, but c'mon guys. The BioWare writing staff is miles ahead of most developers.

Epic Games is better at writing an internally consistent setting, and just as good at writing interesting characters. Gears of War as a trilogy does a far better job at storytelling than Mass Effect does.

Vigil Games wrote an amazing storyline for Darksiders and will continue to explore this in Darksiders 2. From a storytelling point of view there are few games I enjoyed more.

The Halo universe is larger and deeper than anything we've so far seen in Mass Effect, and the Master Chief for all his faceless cliche'dness does a better job at being a protagonist than Shepard does in Mass Effect 3. His simplicity makes that he's a consistent character that the player will always be able to count on. The complexity of the setting and the story is derived from the universe the Master Chief inhabits.

Blizzard created an awesome story with Warcraft 1 through to the Frozen Throne. They ruined everything with the advent of WoW, though I'll dare say that it was still very entertaining up until the end of the Burning Crusade. As far as fantasy goes the Warcraft world was, once upon a time, very good fun and rich on lore.

Eidos created the Deus Ex setting and gave us a philosophically responsible series that explores the future of technology and mankind. Adam Jensen, despite his copious amounts of autodialogue, a consistent character that the player can nevertheless exert influence and control over.

Ubisoft and the Assassin's Creed series are still working towards their ultimate climax, and so far we've seen a setting rife with some interesting concepts like genetic memory to relive the lives of your ancestors, and a templar conspiracy almost as old as time itself. It's a very consistently told story that needs only a few actual characters to be told adequately. Hints are placed delicately throughout the series and offer "lots of speculation for everyone" in a fun and responsible way.

So let's face it.

Bioware isn't all that unique.

[Dendio1]

Joccaren wrote...

Aloren wrote...
And out of cusiosity, if the game was so horrible, why do you still waste your time here months after launch ?

Probably for the same reason I spent about 10X more time debating Skyrim politics than actually playing Skyrim.

Sure, the game is mediocre/poor/bad/crap/W.E your opinion on it is, but that opens up avenues for conversation and communication - vital human skills which many people enjoy.

Also, debating is fun. Call me crazy but sometimes I like writing page long essays [Only sometimes an exaggeration] in response to someone else's opinion online for the simple reason of continuing the debate.

At least you admit you are here to put down the game and argue against those who think otherwise.

[UrgentArchengel]

Here's a good question, which is worse ME3 or DA2?

Anyway, I agree that ME3 is definiately meh. It's not garbage, that's just exaggerating, it's meh. Mac Walters is just a very meh writer, a lot of his stuff always come off that way. Not only that, but EA doesn't help this situation either. They obviously rushed the game out, just like DA2. I will agree that people here have been spoiled. Something that goes even remotely wrong to them, it will destroy the game for them. The whole game=life thing is absolutely true for about 85% of the people here. Regardless, my point is that the criticism is a little exaggerated, an just comes off as a butthurt rant more then anything.

•Yes, I agree that ME3 is the lesser of the three.
•Yes, I agree that the write is not on par with the rest of the Trilogy
•Yes, I agree that there were lots of lies from the Devs including Hudson.
•Yes, I agree that a lot of the blame should go to EA, just like with Spider-Man 3 and the Venom fiasco.
•No, it's not garbage, it's meh. It has lots of great moments, especially for those who played 1 and 2, but it did fail on lots of levels. Grade wise, I'd be a C- or a D+ due to plot inconsistency, and a failed ending, not the F that people give it.
•Yes, I will agree that some people here are clearly overreacting, and acting like this is life or death, and even going as far as threatening said life w/ death. Yeah, it's a meh game, but it's still just a game, you'll get over it eventually. I said this before, and I will say it again, you guys need to chill a bit. There are just too many emotions flaring that it's throwing your judgement off, it's either really good or really bad, no middle ground whatsoever. It's fine to be disappointed, or even pissed, but if you let that cloud rationality, then your argument is just more over emotional ranting, andlike we really need more of that.

Despite that, this is just my opinion, your not being ordered to agree with it, and neither do I expect you too.

[Aylyese]

Eain wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

I always see posts bashing the writing of ME1,2 and 3. Granted there are plot holes, but c'mon guys. The BioWare writing staff is miles ahead of most developers.

Epic Games is better at writing an internally consistent setting, and just as good at writing interesting characters. Gears of War as a trilogy does a far better job at storytelling than Mass Effect does.

Vigil Games wrote an amazing storyline for Darksiders and will continue to explore this in Darksiders 2. From a storytelling point of view there are few games I enjoyed more.

The Halo universe is larger and deeper than anything we've so far seen in Mass Effect, and the Master Chief for all his faceless cliche'dness does a better job at being a protagonist than Shepard does in Mass Effect 3. His simplicity makes that he's a consistent character that the player will always be able to count on. The complexity of the setting and the story is derived from the universe the Master Chief inhabits.

Blizzard created an awesome story with Warcraft 1 through to the Frozen Throne. They ruined everything with the advent of WoW, though I'll dare say that it was still very entertaining up until the end of the Burning Crusade. As far as fantasy goes the Warcraft world was, once upon a time, very good fun and rich on lore.

Eidos created the Deus Ex setting and gave us a philosophically responsible series that explores the future of technology and mankind. Adam Jensen, despite his copious amounts of autodialogue, a consistent character that the player can nevertheless exert influence and control over.

Ubisoft and the Assassin's Creed series are still working towards their ultimate climax, and so far we've seen a setting rife with some interesting concepts like genetic memory to relive the lives of your ancestors, and a templar conspiracy almost as old as time itself. It's a very consistently told story that needs only a few actual characters to be told adequately. Hints are placed delicately throughout the series and offer "lots of speculation for everyone" in a fun and responsible way.

So let's face it.

Bioware isn't all that unique.

You win the internets. 

SquareEnix have also been writing compelling stories complete with well written endings for decades.

[Brovikk Rasputin]

Eain wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

I always see posts bashing the writing of ME1,2 and 3. Granted there are plot holes, but c'mon guys. The BioWare writing staff is miles ahead of most developers.

Epic Games is better at writing an internally consistent setting, and just as good at writing interesting characters. Gears of War as a trilogy does a far better job at storytelling than Mass Effect does.

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAH! HAHAHAHAHAH! Oh boy. The Gears games are GOOD! Really good games. But saying that the story and characters = good.. Seriously. 

[AxStapleton]

UrgentArchengel wrote...

Here's a good question, which is worse ME3 or DA2?

Anyway, I agree that ME3 is definiately meh. It's not garbage, that's just exaggerating, it's meh. Mac Walters is just a very meh writer, a lot of his stuff always come off that way. Not only that, but EA doesn't help this situation either. They obviously rushed the game out, just like DA2. I will agree that people here have been spoiled. Something that goes even remotely wrong to them, it will destroy the game for them. The whole game=life thing is absolutely true for about 85% of the people here. Regardless, my point is that the criticism is a little exaggerated, an just comes off as a butthurt rant more then anything.

•Yes, I agree that ME3 is the lesser of the three.
•Yes, I agree that the write is not on par with the rest of the Trilogy
•Yes, I agree that there were lots of lies from the Devs including Hudson.
•Yes, I agree that a lot of the blame should go to EA, just like with Spider-Man 3 and the Venom fiasco.
•No, it's not garbage, it's meh. It has lots of great moments, especially for those who played 1 and 2, but it did fail on lots of levels. Grade wise, I'd be a C- or a D+ due to plot inconsistency, and a failed ending, not the F that people give it.
•Yes, I will agree that some people here are clearly overreacting, and acting like this is life or death, and even going as far as threatening said life w/ death. Yeah, it's a meh game, but it's still just a game, you'll get over it eventually. I said this before, and I will say it again, you guys need to chill a bit. There are just too many emotions flaring that it's throwing your judgement off, it's either really good or really bad, no middle ground whatsoever. It's fine to be disappointed, or even pissed, but if you let that cloud rationality, then your argument is just more over emotional ranting, andlike we really need more of that.

Despite that, this is just my opinion, your not being ordered to agree with it, and neither do I expect you too.

And that is a very well rounded and articulated opinion.

[UrgentArchengel]

@Eain
You are absolute correct. They definitely are not all the unique at all, they are just higher on the food chain.

[Dendio1]

UrgentArchengel wrote...

Here's a good question, which is worse ME3 or DA2?

Mass effect 3 is a much better game in my opinion. Although I enjoyed dragons age 2, Witcher 2 made me realize the limitations. Going back, everything seems way too small and half done. The romances were under developed, the environments overused and lacked substance. The ending was abrupt and unsatisfying. I find myself not caring about hawk. Merril, Isabella and Varric are the only things I would hope to salvage for part 3.

Modifié par Dendio1, 03 juillet 2012 - 11:50 .

[iAFKinMassEffect3]

AxStapleton wrote...

iAFKinMassEffect3 wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...


Right, you totally know what I have and haven't played.

Tell me your Gamertag and I can have a look.

Asking for people's Personal info on the internet? Very smooth.

Very smooth? You must be an idiot as a Gamertag is not personal info.

[UrgentArchengel]

Please, Gears may be pretty basic plot wise, but at least it had a happy, yet bittersweet ending that ME should've had.

[iAFKinMassEffect3]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

I've played on shared accounts, so not all of it will be there. I'll just name off of memory.

You already lost me there.
But please continue to say stuff that makes no sense.

[Brovikk Rasputin]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

Eain wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

I always see posts bashing the writing of ME1,2 and 3. Granted there are plot holes, but c'mon guys. The BioWare writing staff is miles ahead of most developers.

Epic Games is better at writing an internally consistent setting, and just as good at writing interesting characters. Gears of War as a trilogy does a far better job at storytelling than Mass Effect does.

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAH! HAHAHAHAHAH! Oh boy. The Gears games are GOOD! Really good games. But saying that the story and characters = good.. Seriously. 

I know a lot of Gears fans who really were into the plot...

It's an okay plot, but the characters are awful and the lore is extremely inconsistent. Ranking GOW with the guys behind Assassins Creed, Deus Ex and Mass Effect is silly.

[Baldrick67]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

AxStapleton wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

Exactly. The ME writing has it's faults, but compared to pretty much every single other game out there, it's really, REALLY, good! Just go back and play something like Gears of War after having played the ME games. Maybe that'll make you appreciate the ME writing a bit more.

The difference is that Gears is made and written to be a testostorone filled, blood and guts shoot fest right from the start. Which definetly wasn't the original intention of Mass Effect. This is a poor comparison.

All I said, was that the writing in Mass Effect is miles above most other games. 

Really?
Both both ME3 and GOW3 had a seemingly magic device to destroy the big bad at the end of the series. At least in GOW3 it was human blood, sweat and tears that won the day and not some starbrat allowing it to occur.

[Brovikk Rasputin]

UrgentArchengel wrote...

Please, Gears may be pretty basic plot wise, but at least it had a happy, yet bittersweet ending that ME should've had.

The Gears 3 ending was unbelieveably cringe worthy. "We finally have a tomorrow!" uuuggghh  SO bad.

[iAFKinMassEffect3]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

iAFKinMassEffect3 wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

I've played on shared accounts, so not all of it will be there. I'll just name off of memory.

You already lost me there.
But please continue to say stuff that makes no sense.

I got my account a year ago. I've been playing Xbox 360 games for three years. Not all the games I've played will be on my account. Make sense now?

Something tells me you're lying.
Not least for how stupid this story sounds.

Modifié par iAFKinMassEffect3, 03 juillet 2012 - 11:57 .