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[GallowsPole]

The Harrier X tops out at 100 rounds, 20 in the clip = 120 total

[Mendelevosa]

In my opinion, the Harrier is one of the only few good assault rifles. Sounds like you want the Harrier to be overpowered. It is already one of the most well rounded assault rifles. It deals about as much DPS as the Hurricane, it has medium weight, a good fire rate, and great accuracy, with the low spare ammo count being is only real weakness. And on top of all those strengths, you want a buff in its stagger rate and ammo count? If the Harrier gets anymore powerful, it will upset the balance between weapons and there would be no reason to use any other assault rifle.

Also, why are you comparing the Harrier to shotguns? They are in two different weapon classes with different purposes. And I seriously hope you were joking when you suggested that the Harrier's ability to kill a Brute in one clip with TC/AR is not good enough.

This isn't Burger King. You can't have everything your way. No weapon should be very powerful in all categories. You may not think that balance matters in a coop game, but balance is what is necessary to keep the game fun. With your logic, we might as well make every gun top the charts in every stat.

[Aethyl]

Mendelevosa wrote...

In my opinion, the Harrier is one of the only few good assault rifles. Sounds like you want the Harrier to be overpowered. It is already one of the most well rounded assault rifles. It deals about as much DPS as the Hurricane, it has medium weight, a good fire rate, and great accuracy, with the low spare ammo count being is only real weakness. And on top of all those strengths, you want a buff in its stagger rate and ammo count? If the Harrier gets anymore powerful, it will upset the balance between weapons and there would be no reason to use any other assault rifle.

Also, why are you comparing the Harrier to shotguns? They are in two different weapon classes with different purposes. And I seriously hope you were joking when you suggested that the Harrier's ability to kill a Brute in one clip with TC/AR is not good enough.

This isn't Burger King. You can't have everything your way. No weapon should be very powerful in all categories. You may not think that balance matters in a coop game, but balance is what is necessary to keep the game fun. With your logic, we might as well make every gun top the charts in every stat.

There is already no reason to use another Assault Rifle, which is a damn shame.
Especially for those who like Assault Rifles but can't unlock it.

Modifié par Aethyl, 03 juillet 2012 - 01:19 .

[ryanshowseason3]

So you cherry pick the scenario of 4 phantoms vs player with harrier, but the situation of using a batarian soldier is not valid. Ok I get it you're trying to say the weapon isn't universally excellent for all classes. Weapons with stagger are.

You're still living in your own bubble of soloing gold. If there are four phantoms I'm going to be relying on teamates to help me out as well. I don't care to solo gold EVER, judging a weapon by the metric of soloing gold or any set of enemies on its own is just as ridiculous as judging it by dps alone.

[GallowsPole]

There is already no reason to use another Assault Rifle, which is a damn shame.
Especially for those who like Assault Rifles but can't unlock it.

Agreed. Although not perfect by any means, the Harrier definitely the best unmodded AR currently in the game.

[Bzilla]

The Harrier is one of my favorite guns to use in the game. Run it with EB + AP + AP Ammo and just shoot the bad guys in the face. It's funny seeing multiple people using it during a match, all you hear is gunfire for about 10s then it all goes quite while the everyone gets some more bullets. Can't wait to get it up to X, this gun is a beast.

[KAM12780]

I just unlocked the Reegar and the Harrier in one PSP! Finally!!!

[MercenaryNo]

KAM12780 wrote...

I just unlocked the Reegar and the Harrier in one PSP! Finally!!!

Oh..  Well screw you then.  Damn it PSP's, why won't you humor me?

[Disciple888]

Ok I get it you're trying to say the weapon isn't universally excellent for all classes. Weapons with stagger are.

Yep.  Hence why I call those the "best" weapons.  I'm not saying the harrier sucks.  It's okay.  I dunno what other people's criteria is.

[Deviean]

Finally got the Harrier... V.

The store is crazy. Yesterday only : Scorpion +1, Talon +1, Indra +1, Harrier +1. After one week of empty PSPs.

[Palladin123]

I like the Harrier a lot. Probably the best AR in the game. And I don't think it needs any buffing right now. Giving it more ammo might be nice, but that would make it a super accurate revenant and cause balance issues.

It may not be as good as some of the other tier 1 weapons in the game, but it's the most fun AR to play with.

[ryanshowseason3]

Disciple888 wrote...

Ok I get it you're trying to say the weapon isn't universally excellent for all classes. Weapons with stagger are.

Yep.  Hence why I call those the "best" weapons.  I'm not saying the harrier sucks.  It's okay.  I dunno what other people's criteria is.

Why must you be able to solo 4 phantoms with a weapon for it to be the best though?

I feel like you're still testing in a vacuum. When you're in a role that is not staggerfest 2012 You can evaluate weapons in a different light. For straight dps, damage per shot, accuracy etc. Looking at all of that the harrier is pretty top notch over most of the weapons in the game... when you keep it supplied with ammo.

Staggering is one part of the equation although you seem to have weighted it above EVERYTHING else. And defining excellence based on one standard doesn't sound like sound reasoning.

If BW made a weapon that staggered 100% of the time but did no damage would it be a good weapon? Probly not so you can't just say stagger is the only important component.

[LadyAlekto]

I must add a small detail to my last post

I JUST GOT THE DAMNED HARRIER ABOUT DAMNED EFFIN TIME!

WEEEE *does happy dance*

[Beerfish]

Finally had over a million creds which takes me a long time to accumulate. 10 Psp's

No new weapons, no new classes......damn store!

[P51Mus7ang]

Today will be one week since mine arrived, I think it's almost worn out:) I have always been an AR player, was frustrated with MP as the AR's suck, I ran with the Krysae X for a long time but one get's sloppy using it, I would switch to the Carnifex X quite often.

You can look at my manifest if you wish, I have everything, perhaps because of my playstyle the Harrier, in my case, gives me results beyond any other. I pray to the gods they do not touch this gun, it is what I always dreamed of and makes the game for me.

[GallowsPole]

ryanshowseason3 wrote...

Disciple888 wrote...

Ok I get it you're trying to say the weapon isn't universally excellent for all classes. Weapons with stagger are.

Yep.  Hence why I call those the "best" weapons.  I'm not saying the harrier sucks.  It's okay.  I dunno what other people's criteria is.

Why must you be able to solo 4 phantoms with a weapon for it to be the best though?

I feel like you're still testing in a vacuum. When you're in a role that is not staggerfest 2012 You can evaluate weapons in a different light. For straight dps, damage per shot, accuracy etc. Looking at all of that the harrier is pretty top notch over most of the weapons in the game... when you keep it supplied with ammo.

Staggering is one part of the equation although you seem to have weighted it above EVERYTHING else. And defining excellence based on one standard doesn't sound like sound reasoning.

If BW made a weapon that staggered 100% of the time but did no damage would it be a good weapon? Probly not so you can't just say stagger is the only important component.

Hey it works for him. If he thinks its the best, its the best for him. I think my Paladin is the best because how I use it in combination with powers. Reave, a couple of Paladin shots, Phantoms dead too. Overload, shields stripped, Paladin shots, Phantoms deceased.

As he kep stating, its his criteria, so his is the best, Except of course for the Paladin. Which we all know is really the best.

[Kick In The Door]

 You know I never hesitate to put a nerfer on his back!

[CoddyXD]

I got Harrier and the Saber AR

I prefer the Saber but I like to snipe and cba going to ammo boxes twice a round

[xcrunr1647]

Way to feed the troll, guys.

[1337haxwtg]

Disciple888 wrote...

1337haxwtg wrote...

I can't believe people are saying it needs a buff. It is easily the best AR in the game.

Sure, maybe it could use more reserve ammo, but it is a killing machine.

Not really.  The gun is good only on a few classes which already are good with guns.

I'm not even sure what to say to that. I'll just let this chart do the talking.

[ChurchOfZod]

Finally got a Harrier and it's my new default rifle for all classes where I would have used something else. I tend to play a Batarian soldier to ameliorate the ammo issue. The only problem I have at all with it is the ridiculous amount of time to get it to X.

[Shadow of Terror]

Disciple888 wrote...

Kronner wrote...

Disciple888 wrote...
Actually yes, the hurricane suffers against phantoms and pyros too.  It's okay, just like the harrier, I never said it sucked, just that they were not the best weapons in the game.

Yea, I guess that's why a batarian soldier with Harrier sololed the game in 19 minutes. Against geth. Because Harrier is "okay". 
You cherry pick situations phantoms, pyros or other geth and base your opinion/claim on that. You ignore other enemies where stagger is not very important and teammates and their powers. Not very sound approach.

Batarian soldier has a staggering power plus grenades.  Bad example.

So you admit that the Harrier is the best gun on anything that can stagger then? So... a lot of classes?

[Disciple888]

Damn tcg never came on. Is that your gamer tag?

[Shadow of Terror]

ryanshowseason3 wrote...
If BW made a weapon that staggered 100% of the time but did no damage would it be a good weapon?

If it was super light, then yes.

[1337haxwtg]

Shadow of Terror wrote...

ryanshowseason3 wrote...
If BW made a weapon that staggered 100% of the time but did no damage would it be a good weapon?

If it was super light, then yes.

Us "Balance ALL The Things" guys have been discussing making the Disciple stagger even more often, to pretty nearly fit that description (but still do its damage and then a little more). I'd have to check to see what specifics we landed on.

Modifié par 1337haxwtg, 03 juillet 2012 - 03:35 .