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[rtizz6446]

If it received an ammo reserve buff it would have no weakness. With no weakness there would a bevery large balance issue...

[DHKany]

Disciple888 wrote...

Kronner wrote...

Disciple888 wrote...

 Best weapon?  Nah.  A truly good weapon helps classes with no weapon buffs.

I said one of the best. Not THE best. The only downside is poor ammo capacity. Other than that the weapon has no weakness, assuming the player does not suck at aiming, obviously.

Cannot stagger.  Huge weakness.  Claymore gets around this with huge burst damage, harrier cannot.

*facepalm you do know the harrier at level 1 has almost a 1000 dps right? and about the stagger, that means that you are technically saying that the Graal is a better weapon. Who needs stagger when you can kill the thing outright. 

[Tankcommander]

TCGwasHERE wrote...

Disciple888 wrote...

Kronner wrote...

Disciple888 wrote...

 Best weapon?  Nah.  A truly good weapon helps classes with no weapon buffs.

I said one of the best. Not THE best. The only downside is poor ammo capacity. Other than that the weapon has no weakness, assuming the player does not suck at aiming, obviously.

Cannot stagger.  Huge weakness.  Claymore gets around this with huge burst damage, harrier cannot.

the graal is a stagger machine is it better than the harrier? not even close

Graal is beast vs most everything... it is better than the Harrier, but the Harrier is a gold-worthy weapon. It is the only AR I'd even think about bringing to gold.

[stilly1]

RPG Grrrl wrote...

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I apologize for not being clear...I was agreeing with you

Oh sorry I misunderstood then, I thought you were under the impression I thought the same way as the OP lol my mistake .. Yeah thing wrecks

[Holy-Hamster]

Harrier could maybe use a -very small- ammo upgrade at level 1, like 20-40 bullets, but that would be as much as you could give it without unbalancing the gun

personally I think it's fine now

[Lucius Aelius]

First of all, is everyone just going to keep glossing over this whole Stability glitch with the Harrier (less stable in cover than out)? Once Bioware sets about fixing it, this gun is going to be a whole different beast. Still the closest thing to a proper assault rifle they've been able to come up with (R.I.P. Revenant) but severely lacking in capacity and probably in need of a scope to make the most out of it.

Secondly, yes the damage on the Harrier is also fine, but a general buff to all weapons that after a certain amount of damage enemies will stagger (current stagger weapons doing so already so left unchanged) would be a deserved change that would remove any complaints the OP has about stagger, while removing stagger from the equation for everyone when thinking about weapon selection. He hasn't been as clear as he could have been to begin with, but that was the motivation behind this thread, stagger matters enough with his playstyle that without it he feels gimped and can't go quite as all-out Rambo as is his general preference, and the lack of it is something that should be fixed with a buff to all current non-stagger weapons. In regards to the Harrier, again it should have more ammo (and maybe a 15% buff to damage of all AR's to make them more viable).

[Ledgend1221]

Just got it 5 minutes ago.

Anything I should avoid with it?
Using it on a HS with AP and EB and Warfighter package.

[UnchartedDestiny]

Disciple888 wrote...

 After maxing out all my other ultra rares ugh.  It's okay, needs a buff

Only buff it needs is more ammo. Dude you can waste enemies on Gold like nothing with a level 1 Harrier. You can take an Atlas down on Gold in under 10 secs using a level 1 Harrier. And just think, give it enuf time and the youngster crybabies will be complaining about people getting too many kills with it, and it'll get nerfed. Trust me. Ccrybabies always win. 

On another note, the best build for the Harrier... use it witht the Turian Soldier to get the extra fire rate and accuracy. You can take a Gold Atlas down with 2 1/2 clips . THe Turian just MOWS people down with the Harrier .

[DHKany]

Ledgend1221 wrote...

Just got it 5 minutes ago.

Anything I should avoid with it?
Using it on a HS with AP and EB and Warfighter package.

youre good to go.

[DHKany]

BrotherWarth wrote...

The tiny amount of ammo and small mag size is reason enough for the Harrier to not be an ultra-rare. It is in no way good enough to warrant ultra-rare status. If it had 75-100% more ammo and 50% larger mag I could see it being an ultra-rare. As it stands you're constantly running around to get ammo, missing out on kills and assists. If you're using a grenade-reliant build(like a male Quarian) then it's not as big of a deal, but on most characters it's a serious detriment.
The Krysae should have been ultra-rare and the Harrier just rare.

Are you saying the Harrier doesn't kill fast enough? Gee do use the Krysae and Reegar 24/7 or wat?

[Ledgend1221]

BrotherWarth wrote...

DHKany wrote...

BrotherWarth wrote...

The tiny amount of ammo and small mag size is reason enough for the Harrier to not be an ultra-rare. It is in no way good enough to warrant ultra-rare status. If it had 75-100% more ammo and 50% larger mag I could see it being an ultra-rare. As it stands you're constantly running around to get ammo, missing out on kills and assists. If you're using a grenade-reliant build(like a male Quarian) then it's not as big of a deal, but on most characters it's a serious detriment.
The Krysae should have been ultra-rare and the Harrier just rare.

Are you saying the Harrier doesn't kill fast enough? Gee do use the Krysae and Reegar 24/7 or wat?

I'm saying the ultra-rare status is unwarranted. It's a very good gun, but ultra-rare status should be reserved for the great/overpowered. It's not the only ultra-rare that doesn't warrant its status, but it is the newest and IMO most overrated. Krysae and probably Reegar should be ultra-rare because they're good enough to warrant it. They have no drawbacks besides minor nitpicks. The Harrier has 2 major drawbacks.

The reegar has terrible clip size and range.

[megabeast37215]

Disciple888 wrote...

 After maxing out all my other ultra rares ugh.  It's okay, needs a buff

I am beginning to think the Harrier may just be the most lethal weapon in the game, even more so than the Claymore. Since I got it to X I've been using it alot lately... there isn't a single enemy in the game that it doesn't DESTROY.

It headshots with great ease.

With Extended Barrel and Extended Clip, it mows down 3 mooks per clip on average.

You just got to STAY OFF THE TRIGGER! If you lay on the trigger... it's decent. If you feather the trigger and try to headshot a little more, it slaughters AND it doesn't run out of ammo so fast.

If you want to lay on the trigger... use a stabilization module, or a turian.

Armor piercing ammo makes a HUGE difference, even the level 1 stuff is fine.

Something awesome I found out about the Harrier last night: On my Vorcha I always use either the Harrier or the Reegar. Last night I equipped them both and took the 25% weight reduction to shotguns/assault rifles... I had a +40% recharge rate for the flamer. Freaking.... awesome....

My recharge rates with the Harrier are around 115-130ish.... totally fine for caster classes (Harrier makes up for more killing power than is lost through the missing cooldown speed). Drell Adept with Warfighter Package and a Harrier is the most OP class in the game IMO post TC nerf. It slaughters.

[megabeast37215]

BrotherWarth wrote...

UnchartedDestiny wrote...
You can take an Atlas down on Gold in under 10 secs using a level 1 Harrier.

That is complete hyperbole. The Harrier doesn't have the power at level 10 to do that, let alone at level 1. You would have to strip the shields completely and it would still be questionable, being able to finish it off with just the Harrier in 10 seconds.

I'm sorry friend... but UnchartedDestiny is right. With EB/EC it can totally take down a FRESH Atlas in 10 seconds. I promise you, I am not lying. The trick is to NOT MISS EVER!

[Arppis]

Kronner wrote...

Harrier is easily the best AR and one of the best weapons in the game. It's fine as is.

It is my favourite gun at the momment. But it could use a buff on the ammo capacity. Even if it would just be 50 bullets more, it would help.

Just put the armor piercing mod with extended clip to it and it roars like thunder!

Modifié par Arppis, 03 juillet 2012 - 08:11 .

[Ledgend1221]

BrotherWarth wrote...

Ledgend1221 wrote...

The reegar has terrible clip size and range.

It's a close-range weapon, like all shotguns. And one mag is enough to kill most enemies. If you're playing a CQC character it is the best weapon available. A human or Krogan Vanguard with a Reegar is unstoppable.

The Harrier.
Its a mid-range weapon, like all ARs. One mag is enough to kill most enemies. If you're playing a damage dealing character its the best weapon available. A human or Turian soldier with a Harrier is unstoppable.

[megabeast37215]

Arppis wrote...

Kronner wrote...

Harrier is easily the best AR and one of the best weapons in the game. It's fine as is.

It is my favourite gun at the momment. But it could use a buff on the ammo capacity. Even if it would just be 50 bullets more, it would help.

Just put the armor piercing mod with extended clip to it and it roars like thunder!

Kronner has it right. The Harrier is fine as it is... giving it more ammo would make it OP. It has to have AT LEAST one drawback... unlike the Krysae which is an abomination and has no drawbacks (other than getting auto-kicked from my lobbies ).

[Disciple888]

Lol ppl here like to argue with themselves instead of what I said. I've repeatedly said the best weapons have both decent damage and stagger, not stagger alone. Having both qualifies them as "best weapons". Having one or the other makes them okay. Having neither makes them suck.

A lot of people here like pretty numbers on dps charts instead of in-game considerations. Sure, harrier might be great on certain classes with innate cc abilities. But is it universally powerful across all classes? No. Therefore, it is not one of the best weapons, as kronner was claiming.

[Disciple888]

Lol @ learn to use. Graal and claymore are much harder to use than the harrier gimme a break.

[Arppis]

megabeast37215 wrote...

Arppis wrote...

Kronner wrote...

Harrier is easily the best AR and one of the best weapons in the game. It's fine as is.

It is my favourite gun at the momment. But it could use a buff on the ammo capacity. Even if it would just be 50 bullets more, it would help.

Just put the armor piercing mod with extended clip to it and it roars like thunder!

Kronner has it right. The Harrier is fine as it is... giving it more ammo would make it OP. It has to have AT LEAST one drawback... unlike the Krysae which is an abomination and has no drawbacks (other than getting auto-kicked from my lobbies ).

It's true... Guns should have drawbacks. But I usualy remedy this flaw by running from box to box and killing everything between me and the boxes. Works like charm!

I DID IT MYYYYYYY WAAAAAAAAAAAYYY!!!