Turran wrote...
Yes, most ships were meant to have them, but did we see them used? No. Which means maybe something was written wrong.
With what we see in Mass Effect 3, no one uses a Thannix, making them rare.
I didn't say that the only conventional victory would be via Hackett's way. I still think any way of doing it would of lead to a loss.
Then you skip to winning Earth, but alright. Yes, using Salvage did pop into mind, but how much would really be salvagable? How much would we be able to get our hands on, while still defending our hold-out spot from the Reapers?
Every time a Reaper comes down, it would include more salvage for ships, but more ships needing salvage, leading to a never ending loop of loosing ships slowly.
Holding Australia, forever? That isn't winning a war. That is simply turteling in and hoping you win with time. Australia doesn't have enough food (for both Human and Turian type stomachs), water or ammo to fully hold out.
Salvage wouldn't always just land in Australia, if a ship is shot out in orbit, it's parts could scatter across another continent.
Along with that I doubt they have enough fuel on one world to keep Hammerhead 'hit and runs' going forever.
The Crucible was hoped to be a big bomb, but infact it was a giant source of energy and codes to add variables to the Catalyst.
Putting all your eggs into one basket is a 'last resort' stratergy.
Written wrong, probably right there. If we saw them, and their effectiveness, it would help contextually. We only have one instance and its not a great comparison.
What we see and what the codex, emails and a few other things say don't seem to be in sync. A good example is the geth join you whenyou make peace with Quarians), people say so, you get emails and stuff about it.
They never freaking show up in the ending. We get a shot of one geth in a ship, but not one other thing. Trooper army? Absent. Huge geth fleet bigger than the turians forces? Missing.
Considering the large amounts of debris, probably a lot, even if its just scrap, its remnants of ship armour, it can be used. Reaper tech too, preferably salvaged with drones and stuff to prevent indoctrination. This is all assuming the Reapers would bother to send reinforcements. Really, if the Catalyst wanted to win, an easy way would have been to call in the closest reapers and just smush the galactic fleet between 2 fronts. Theres no way, no matter if every single ship has a thannix, they would be outmanouvered and unprepared.
It was just an example, but Australia is the biggest island, has lots of raw materials(although, probably not so much anymore, being the future) and you would essentially only be used it to repair everything before heading back out with the fleet. But civilians could stay there and it would make a far better resistance base than london. The salvage would be done in orbit, preferably by the Quarians, thats their forte.
They wouldn't even have to be hit and runs, Hammerheads are bloody fast, you could make several passes before the enemy was co-ordinated enough to stop you.
But seriously, who would build something that has never been proven to work, they have no idea what it did but they build it anyway. Its just a giant battery. While the Catalyst says "it changed me" since when has anything he said made sense? Nothing stopping him from building the damn thing and synthesising everything himself.
Turran wrote...
Using Sovreign as an example is actually perfect. Why? Because it wasn't just 1 fleet, you also had an Asari fleet, along with the strongest ship at the time in the game. You also had Citadel security, as the Citadel must of had some sort of air protection unit. Yes the Geth were also attacking, but now replace that Geth fleet with 3 other Reapers, no one would of stood a chance.(Also, Sovreign did just barge through, he cut straight through some Turian ships and landed in the Citadel)
It was an example of their sheer power. They wouldn't actually just spin, but it is showing that the Reapers could just charge the fleet, cut through to their mid - back range and just bombard like that, which is pretty much what we saw. Yes the smaller ships can be seen moving quickly, but the Reapers also had smaller forces aswell.
Even if the Thannix was used and your stratergies, other Reapers would of just came on in and immediatly opened fire. While our ships would have to re-position themselves then open fire, also they would need to
co-ordinate their attacks to actually be effective. Leaving enough time for a counter.
Ground forces include the Yhag? Do you really think anyone would want to use them? They are brutal, they kill
anything. The Reapers are not a threat to them, so why would they want to join anyway?
Let's say they are used, the Reapers ground forces are beaten, then what? The Yhag politely wait around for transport to the next large area? No they would clearly turn and kill everything.
Thecitadel guard force was not an entire fleet, it was just that, a guard force, basically for show. Sovereign didn't barge through the entire fleet, they were pretty crippled by the time he made his run. In the Battle for Earth the range of the Reaper weapons seems...really short. Dreadnoughts and the like are meant to have guns that run the length of them and are specifically used for long range attacks...no one bothered.
Thing is, The Reapers don't seem to be the "reinforcing" type. They go with what they have. Probably because its worked in the past. The small ships don't seemed to be fitted with the right equipment, but by the end cutscene you don't see any occuli left, so i would assume that the fighters did their job, then hackett recalled them before the ftl jump to outrun the space wave. Aside from that, once the reapers around earth are deazd, you go after the ****ing catalyst and annihlate his ass.
Why would anyone want to use them? They're brutal killing machines? You just answered yourself. I never said they had a choice in joining either. The Salarians clearly kidnapped a fair few Yahg. It can't be that hard. Put a gun in their hand and drop them in the middle of the enemy. ODST style. They kill everything or die trying. But they would take a significant chunk out of the enemy, thats for sure. If they succeeded, great, at worst, you hard a bunch of tired yahg who you then shoot in the head with some Widows. At worst, you have dead or dying yahg which act as a massive distraction, you then flank the enemy and take out the Yahg if neccessary. But they may actually
understand the fact you just saved their butts, killing the people who kidnapped you and threw you into a war zone might be the emotional choice, but logically if they're the only ones on your side, you really don't want to weaken your chances for survival. Or we shoot them.
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