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[Blueprotoss]

AresKeith wrote...

true it was a good idea, and it was fun, but everyone wanted more the MP when they first announced it

You should mean that more people didn't want the MP instead what the MP was with the original announcement.

[XqctaX]

Blueprotoss wrote...

Either way Bioware didn't lie to you kust like how they didn't falsely advertise ME3.

 

they said thing that they without doubt knew was not the truth. that is lying in its very definition.
that has been showed over and over on thread after thread in this very forum.

so stop lying about what they did, we allready know what they said and that is beyond argumentation at this point.

Blueprotoss wrote... 
I doubt that you paid attention to the advertising or Bioware announcements based on how they didn't to you 

   based on that they didnt do what to me. lie? we have established that they did so stop denying the trouth and stop saying otherwise over and over like that will change the facts, It Will Not.

ive been here for years watching every damned bioware pr release there is, trailers. interviews, bioware tv
so dont go claiming i havent based on nothing but your denial of  factuall events.

Blueprotoss wrote...  This is questionable in games especially when we're talking about Silent Hill here.  Either way every "secret", "best", or "perfect" ending is optional while they aren't game breakers.

  No i was not talking about silent hill I am talking about mass effect. you do know what forum you are on right now?  in mass effect the Best ending is the difference of the main protagonist dying or living.
That is a huge Deal to alot of people. so dont go claiming that it is insignificant and by proxy the false claims make by bioware during pr to be acceptable becouse of claims insignificance.
a lie is a lie regardless of the specific impact of the lie. and lying about a product to the buyer IS allways a big deal.

Blueprotoss wrote...  Yet I'm not insuting Bioware based on personal feelings unlike you.

   im not insulting bioware. im am talking about actions they took.
if those actions taken by bioware puts them in a bad light, it sure as hell is thier own doing and not mine
for simply stating what they did.  
the one starting with insult was you calling me petty and ignorat.
try taking responesebility for your own actions instead of attemting to shift blame to the one you insulted.

Blueprotoss wrote...  love this irony based on how you're trying to turn persobal beleifs into facts, which that won't work.  Btw you should abuse the word "troll" based on how you're insulting people and railroading the topic.

  I have listed my reasons for not thinking multiplayer is fun, that is direct in relation to the TOPIC.
my reasons are amongst others beeing forced to play MP to get the best ending Pre EC release in SP.
that is not a personal belief that is facts about acctual events and actions taken by bioware.
both in gamedesign and in PR.

Blueprotoss wrote...  I'm not insulting anyone while I'm not surprised that you're still using straw-men.

you called me petty and ignorat for not accepting beeing lied to and misslead when i purchased a product,
if that is not an insult in your mind. you dont know the meening of the word insult.

and using "straw man" is exactly what you have beeing doing via your missrepresentation of both facts and what people wrote in this thread to divert the issues other people claimed they had with multiplayer portion of ME3.

and you did it in such a poor way that your arguments within this thread is utterly 
ludicrous .

Modifié par XqctaX, 06 juillet 2012 - 02:36 .

[Blueprotoss]

XqctaX wrote...

they said thing that they without doubt knew was not the truth. that is lying in its very definition.
that has been showed over and over on thread after thread in this very forum.


so stop lying about what they did, we allready know what they said and that is beyond argumentation at this point.

 A small uproar usually don't provide the facts just like how they din't provide them in the ME3 ending contraversy.  You were't lied to especially when the "perfect" endings are always optional in games and you add two others app based ways to get enough war assets without playing a small amount of ME3's MP.

[AresKeith]

Blueprotoss wrote...

XqctaX wrote...

they said thing that they without doubt knew was not the truth. that is lying in its very definition.
that has been showed over and over on thread after thread in this very forum.


so stop lying about what they did, we allready know what they said and that is beyond argumentation at this point.

 A small uproar usually don't provide the facts just like how they din't provide them in the ME3 ending contraversy.  You were't lied to especially when the "perfect" endings are always optional in games and you add two others app based ways to get enough war assets without playing a small amount of ME3's MP.

it doesn't matter if the perfect ending is optional, in a game like Mass Effect most people will try to get the perfect ending, And if it was a small uproar then the EC wouldn't have happened

[Blueprotoss]

AresKeith wrote...

it doesn't matter if the perfect ending is optional, in a game like Mass Effect most people will try to get the perfect ending, And if it was a small uproar then the EC wouldn't have happened

The whole thing is that it isn't a lie and the EC was inproduction before ME3's launch, which is why it was announced in April.  Btw ME3's ending casued about the same amount of rage from ME2's shooter focused gameplay and DA focusing on text without a with your hero.

[AresKeith]

Blueprotoss wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

it doesn't matter if the perfect ending is optional, in a game like Mass Effect most people will try to get the perfect ending, And if it was a small uproar then the EC wouldn't have happened

The whole thing is that it isn't a lie and the EC was inproduction before ME3's launch, which is why it was announced in April.  Btw ME3's ending casued about the same amount of rage from ME2's shooter focused gameplay and DA focusing on text without a with your hero.

where's your proof of the assumption?

and lets get back on topic of the MP

[Jackums]

I used to play loads of multiplayer. I left for a few weeks, returned to the MP forum, and saw nerf-whiners everywhere. It soured the multiplayer experience, and now I'm not sure when I'll return.

[AresKeith]

JackumsD wrote...

I used to play loads of multiplayer. I left for a few weeks, returned to the MP forum, and saw nerf-whiners everywhere. It soured the multiplayer experience, and now I'm not sure when I'll return.

yea the nerfers made it less fun for me too

[Blueprotoss]

AresKeith wrote...

where's your proof of the assumption?

People lieing so they can justify their anger.

AresKeith wrote... 

and lets get back on topic of the MP

I'm very surprised about this based on how you're were one of the reasons that steered the topic to be off-topic.

[AresKeith]

Blueprotoss wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

where's your proof of the assumption?

People lieing so they can justify their anger.

wow that is the dumbest proof/ explaination ever

but anyway back to the topic, the MP was fun for awhile but until their add something new instead more weapons, and map, more people will keep leaving, or EA will just shut down the servers

[Blueprotoss]

AresKeith wrote...

wow that is the dumbest proof/ explaination ever

I see you're lieing to yourself again.

AresKeith wrote... 

but anyway back to the topic, the MP was fun for awhile but until their add something new instead more weapons, and map, more people will keep leaving, or EA will just shut down the servers

You act like things will last forever and its fun without added content.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 06 juillet 2012 - 05:03 .

[XqctaX]

Blueprotoss wrote...

XqctaX wrote...

they said thing that they without doubt knew was not the truth. that is lying in its very definition.
that has been showed over and over on thread after thread in this very forum.


so stop lying about what they did, we allready know what they said and that is beyond argumentation at this point.

 A small uproar usually don't provide the facts just like how they din't provide them in the ME3 ending contraversy.  You were't lied to especially when the "perfect" endings are always optional in games and you add two others app based ways to get enough war assets without playing a small amount of ME3's MP.

since you keep calling me a liar and claming my arguments are holding no trouth im calling you out
http://www.nowgamer....ry_details.html

go read that page and tell me they didnt say we didnt need to play mp to get the same ending and same information. oh and by the way protagonist living or dying i a HUGE difference. 

heres a direct qoute of "Mass Effect 3 producer Mike Gamble" from the article

"Of course you don’t have to play multiplayer, you can choose to play
all the side-quests in single-player and do all that stuff you’ll
still get all the same endings and same information, it’s just a
totally different way of playing" 

so here just 1 fact in plain sight. were your facts? oh right you dont have any.

so yes that was a lie. you could argue about it beeing intentionall or not, but that is besides the point
since bioware refused to admit us not beeing able to get all endings and information withing singleplayer only.

how many that was angry about this does not matter either. this is not a majorety argument this is a facual argument about statements made by bioware that made me not want to play multiplayer.

also the fact that they added two applications which we would have to PAY EXTRA for,
and that was outside the singleplayer part, hell even outside the game itself.
only futher add to the sold product beeing broken/ sold in bits to force more money spending to get
an experience that was told prerelease was achevable in singleplayer part alone.

now just give up your petty argumentation since you clearly have no valid argument at all.
and your straw man attempts are so porly executed. it still makes me laughf
seiously is that you casey. or some viral marketer ?

and yes im seriously asking you that flat out? its not an insult but a honest quiestion
becouse your behaviour does surely make it look that way.

[julio77777]

I found it fun for a while but it gets boring real fast, and the random packs... It was made to make money and it shows.

[Blueprotoss]

XqctaX wrote... 

http://www.lovechan....jb/res/204.html

since you keep calling me a liar and claming my arguments are holding no trouth im calling you out
http://www.nowgamer....ry_details.html

go read that page and tell me they didnt say we didnt need to play mp to get the same ending and same information. oh and by the way protagonist living or dying i a HUGE difference. 

heres a direct qoute of "Mass Effect 3 producer Mike Gamble" from the article

"Of course you don’t have to play multiplayer, you can choose to play
all the side-quests in single-player and do all that stuff you’ll
still get all the same endings and same information, it’s just a
totally different way of playing" 

so here just 1 fact in plain sight. were your facts? oh right you dont have any.

I see that you're still lieng especially when your proof has blown up in your face based on how you can get the "perfect" endings without MP.  I guess you need to be directly told that ME: Infiltrator and the ME3 Datapad app can help you.

XqctaX wrote...

so yes that was a lie. you could argue about it beeing intentionall or not, but that is besides the point
since bioware refused to admit us not beeing able to get all endings and information withing singleplayer only.

It sounds like you don't know what lies are based on how Bioware didn't lie to anyone.

XqctaX wrote... 

how many that was angry about this does not matter either. this is not a majorety argument this is a facual argument about statements made by bioware that made me not want to play multiplayer. 

Opinions aren't facts and I'm surrpised that you're mad over nothing.

XqctaX wrote...  

also the fact that they added two applications which we would have to PAY EXTRA for, 
and that was outside the singleplayer part, hell even outside the game itself. 
only futher add to the sold product beeing broken/ sold in bits to force more money spending to get
an experience that was told prerelease was achevable in singleplayer part alone. 

You do know that ME: Infiltrator came out 2-3 months before ME3 was released while the ME3 Datapad app came out alongside with ME3.  I could careless if those cost extra yet you complain over the free MP.

XqctaX wrote...  

now just give up your petty argumentation since you clearly have no valid argument at all.
and your straw man attempts are so porly executed. it still makes me laughf
seiously is that you casey. or some viral marketer ? 

I love the irony here based on how you're using straw-men and other ad hominems.  

XqctaX wrote...  


and yes im seriously asking you that flat out? its not an insult but a honest quiestion
becouse your behaviour does surely make it look that way.[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/sick.png[/smilie] 

 Its sad to see people complaining over nothing. 

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 06 juillet 2012 - 10:41 .

[Jovian09]

I'm still really enjoying ME3 multiplayer. It rewards team play and is very well supported. It's not there to make money any more than the singleplayer is.

[AresKeith]

XqctaX wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

XqctaX wrote...

they said thing that they without doubt knew was not the truth. that is lying in its very definition.
that has been showed over and over on thread after thread in this very forum.


so stop lying about what they did, we allready know what they said and that is beyond argumentation at this point.

 A small uproar usually don't provide the facts just like how they din't provide them in the ME3 ending contraversy.  You were't lied to especially when the "perfect" endings are always optional in games and you add two others app based ways to get enough war assets without playing a small amount of ME3's MP.

since you keep calling me a liar and claming my arguments are holding no trouth im calling you out
http://www.nowgamer....ry_details.html

go read that page and tell me they didnt say we didnt need to play mp to get the same ending and same information. oh and by the way protagonist living or dying i a HUGE difference. 

heres a direct qoute of "Mass Effect 3 producer Mike Gamble" from the article

"Of course you don’t have to play multiplayer, you can choose to play
all the side-quests in single-player and do all that stuff you’ll
still get all the same endings and same information, it’s just a
totally different way of playing" 

so here just 1 fact in plain sight. were your facts? oh right you dont have any.

so yes that was a lie. you could argue about it beeing intentionall or not, but that is besides the point
since bioware refused to admit us not beeing able to get all endings and information withing singleplayer only.

how many that was angry about this does not matter either. this is not a majorety argument this is a facual argument about statements made by bioware that made me not want to play multiplayer.

also the fact that they added two applications which we would have to PAY EXTRA for,
and that was outside the singleplayer part, hell even outside the game itself.
only futher add to the sold product beeing broken/ sold in bits to force more money spending to get
an experience that was told prerelease was achevable in singleplayer part alone.

now just give up your petty argumentation since you clearly have no valid argument at all.
and your straw man attempts are so porly executed. it still makes me laughf
seiously is that you casey. or some viral marketer ?

and yes im seriously asking you that flat out? its not an insult but a honest quiestion
becouse your behaviour does surely make it look that way.

its best to just ignore him now, cuz he'll just say the same thing constantly

[Blueprotoss]

AresKeith wrote...

its best to just ignore him now, cuz he'll just say the same thing constantly

It seems like you still don't know how to have a discussion with people especially when you'll repeat your views.  Btw you should practice what you preach then and not railroading a topic would be nice as well.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 06 juillet 2012 - 11:29 .

[Katinka]

I came back to this topic to see if anyone else had any nice stories about enjoying MP.

Instead I got 3 pages of Blueprotoss not understanding what AresKeith was trying to say.

In a hope to clarify and let this get back to the happy topic it should have been:
AresKeith DID NOT say that MP was a waste of resources that should have been used for SP.
AresKeith DID say MP was a wasted opportunity and could have been much better with added game modes and not just horde.

Personally, I don't think it is a wasted opportunity. It IS an opportunity. They monitor play patterns, they know how it spikes during event weekends and after new characters and maps are added. They'll wait until the numbers drop then hit us with an awesome expansion that brings everyone back to play the new mode. That is, if they know how to make it an opportunity...

On the matter of endings and people being lied to, that has been fixed now. I also suspect it would have been fixed without EC by whatever other DLCs come out. From Ashes added war assets, others probably will too.

Also, people who say they don't play MP because they resent having to, that's about as stupid an argument as not liking Liara because she has to be on the Normandy (which I have seen said on this forum too) or hating breathing because you have to do it. Don't hate something because it is there. Give it go and either learn to appreciate it or move on after doing what little you had to.

[InTheZone]

omg, there are people who don't like playing the MP?!??!? wtf

[mopotter]

DJRackham wrote...

No. In my opinion, multiplayer is a serious waste of resources better used for enhancing the single player experience.

Edit: Multiplayer should NEVER have affected Single Player in any significant way. At most, MP should only have unlocked the odd weapon or armor set in SP.
<_<

Agree.  I have no interest in multiplayer games.  I don't care how much someone else enjoys them.  Great for them, I'm not interested in playing with anyone else.  totally agree it should not affect the single player game.  NWN had multiplayer, I never knew it was there till years later.  That's how it should be.  

[Yate]

MP is fine. But the game didn't NEED it. At all. There's no real point to having it.

Why does every dev shove half-assed multiplayer into their games nowadays?

[ZackG312]

played Mp for a month than it got boring, and started playing BF 3 and tribes you know real MP games. Not a tacked on MP for extra money

[Blueprotoss]

Nemy Montoya wrote...

In a hope to clarify and let this get back to the happy topic it should have been:
AresKeith DID NOT say that MP was a waste of resources that should have been used for SP.
AresKeith DID say MP was a wasted opportunity and could have been much better with added game modes and not just horde.

Yet those are basically the samething  and Bioware didn't want to turn the MP into a competitive mess.

Nemy Montoya wrote... 

Personally, I don't think it is a wasted opportunity. It IS an opportunity. They monitor play patterns, they know how it spikes during event weekends and after new characters and maps are added. They'll wait until the numbers drop then hit us with an awesome expansion that brings everyone back to play the new mode. That is, if they know how to make it an opportunity...

On the matter of endings and people being lied to, that has been fixed now. I also suspect it would have been fixed without EC by whatever other DLCs come out. From Ashes added war assets, others probably will too.

Also, people who say they don't play MP because they resent having to, that's about as stupid an argument as not liking Liara because she has to be on the Normandy (which I have seen said on this forum too) or hating breathing because you have to do it. Don't hate something because it is there. Give it go and either learn to appreciate it or move on after doing what little you had to.

I completely agree with the rest.

[AresKeith]

Nemy Montoya wrote...

I came back to this topic to see if anyone else had any nice stories about enjoying MP.

Instead I got 3 pages of Blueprotoss not understanding what AresKeith was trying to say.

In a hope to clarify and let this get back to the happy topic it should have been:
AresKeith DID NOT say that MP was a waste of resources that should have been used for SP.
AresKeith DID say MP was a wasted opportunity and could have been much better with added game modes and not just horde.

Personally, I don't think it is a wasted opportunity. It IS an opportunity. They monitor play patterns, they know how it spikes during event weekends and after new characters and maps are added. They'll wait until the numbers drop then hit us with an awesome expansion that brings everyone back to play the new mode. That is, if they know how to make it an opportunity...

On the matter of endings and people being lied to, that has been fixed now. I also suspect it would have been fixed without EC by whatever other DLCs come out. From Ashes added war assets, others probably will too.

Also, people who say they don't play MP because they resent having to, that's about as stupid an argument as not liking Liara because she has to be on the Normandy (which I have seen said on this forum too) or hating breathing because you have to do it. Don't hate something because it is there. Give it go and either learn to appreciate it or move on after doing what little you had to.

I meant it had potential to be something fun for everyone, your right it is an opportunity, but there are alot of better co-op team game modes they could have used but they added one mode Horde, its too linear