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[v3paR]

booooring

[DGMockingJay]

luzburg wrote...

well hes right about the crusible but as he said make up our own imagination about it

He is saying, the Crucible and Catalyst were contrived, not Dervied from the plot. So the plot legitimacy is questionalble. As a result, any imagination given to the the story is just as legit and original as the original plot....

Its hard to put in words what he said.. He seems like he is good with words..

[Norrax]

krukow wrote...

Some of his complaints just came of as whiney. Like his complaint about the catalyst saying that "we wouldn't know them and there isn't time". If the crucible was designed multiple, multiple cycles ago, we wouldn't know of them. And maybe the catalyst didn't feel there was time for a 25 minute lecture about alien species that existed 500,000 years ago (assuming the crucible was designed only 10 cycles ago, which I'm sure it wasn't). It was designed by a prior cycle. Get over it.

no but charging £10/$15 for a dlc(leviathan of dis dlc) to find out who/what they and an blantat attempt to add star child pre-end cannon  is prefectly ok? NO its not. so: get over it.

[krukow]

DGMockingJay wrote...

luzburg wrote...

well hes right about the crusible but as he said make up our own imagination about it

He is saying, the Crucible and Catalyst were contrived, not Dervied from the plot. So the plot legitimacy is questionalble. As a result, any imagination given to the the story is just as legit and original as the original plot....

Its hard to put in words what he said.. He seems like he is good with words..

The catalyst maybe (though there was always a strong possibility of there being "something" behind the reapers), but the crucible is the point of the first mission after you get off Earth.  It's introduced to the game before Garrus is.

[Mythx88]

BrookerT wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

BrookerT wrote...

So what, he repeats complaints and it's a b*tch slap, really?

Having to repeat the same complaints due to the EC not really fixing anything kind of shows that uh...the EC didn't really fix anything (at least not to people paying attention). 

No it just means people who didn't like the ending parrot the same stuff like, gasp sheep. And for alot of people the EC did fix things and I'm pretty sure they were paying attention

Brooker take a look at 1:31 - 2:30 again.

He clearly acknowledges what the EC addressed / fixed, and then goes on to point out the problems that still remain.

Are you sure you were paying attention while watching the video?

[LinksOcarina]

Mythx88 wrote...

Flog61 wrote...

?

2:41 - 6:27

Basically a major issue with the crucible, and how the crucible itself, its origin, and its functions being completely nonsensical.

That's kind of a big problem considering how central the crucible is to ME3.

Like the Prothean beacons, the conduit, the cipher, vigil and element zero?

[iAFKinMassEffect3]

krukow wrote...

iAFKinMassEffect3 wrote...

krukow wrote...

Some of his complaints just came of as whiney. Like his complaint about the catalyst saying that "we wouldn't know them and there isn't time". If the crucible was designed multiple, multiple cycles ago, we wouldn't know of them. And maybe the catalyst didn't feel there was time for a 25 minute lecture about alien species that existed 500,000 years ago (assuming the crucible was designed only 10 cycles ago, which I'm sure it wasn't). It was designed by a prior cycle. Get over it.

Some people like stories that make sense.

The story makes plenty of sense.

Oh my god, what we shepard's grandparents named?  WE DON"T KNOW!!  PLOTHOLE! PLOTHOLE!

The crucible was designed by a different species, a long time ago.  We don't know who(though the catalyst does, because he was around then), and it's not plot-important.  Who designed the crucible has literally NO EFFECT on the plot. 

Get over it.

It's called an ass pull.
They pulled something out of their ass and all we know is that it is brown.

[Ryzaki]

krukow wrote...
The story makes plenty of sense.

Oh my god, what we shepard's grandparents named?  WE DON"T KNOW!!  PLOTHOLE! PLOTHOLE!

The crucible was designed by a different species, a long time ago.  We don't know who(though the catalyst does, because he was around then), and it's not plot-important.  Who designed the crucible has literally NO EFFECT on the plot. 

Get over it.

Actually it does since only the original reaped species could've known not only where Starbrat was but how he functioned to make a overwritting code.

[MzAdventure]

I find myself in agreement with his entire video.

[BrookerT]

Mythx88 wrote...

BrookerT wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

BrookerT wrote...

So what, he repeats complaints and it's a b*tch slap, really?

Having to repeat the same complaints due to the EC not really fixing anything kind of shows that uh...the EC didn't really fix anything (at least not to people paying attention). 

No it just means people who didn't like the ending parrot the same stuff like, gasp sheep. And for alot of people the EC did fix things and I'm pretty sure they were paying attention

Brooker take a look at 1:31 - 2:30 again.

He clearly acknowledges what the EC addressed / fixed, and then goes on to point out the problems that still remain.

Are you sure you were paying attention while watching the video?

I meant that his complaints wern't original, so it wasn't really a b*tch slap, as it implies something clever. There definatley still issues with the EC, but the ones he brings up have been said better, elsewhere. Apologises if that wasn't clear:unsure:

[DistantUtopia]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

The sheep are going back to the flock thanks to being tricked by the EC, I'm sure all new DLC will be mid story and have no effect on anything at all. 

Wootzor new guns and clothes, this will save the galaxy!

Good news, everyone.  I've created more guns and clothes.  That will save the galaxy.

I couldn't help but imagine Farnsworth saying that.

And event then, he'd be more beliveable than the Catalyst.

[DGMockingJay]

krukow wrote...

DGMockingJay wrote...

luzburg wrote...

well hes right about the crusible but as he said make up our own imagination about it

He is saying, the Crucible and Catalyst were contrived, not Dervied from the plot. So the plot legitimacy is questionalble. As a result, any imagination given to the the story is just as legit and original as the original plot....

Its hard to put in words what he said.. He seems like he is good with words..

The catalyst maybe (though there was always a strong possibility of there being "something" behind the reapers), but the crucible is the point of the first mission after you get off Earth.  It's introduced to the game before Garrus is.

Yeah. And how was Crucible introduced?? In Mars archives. Just when Reapers come knocking, u get the plans for doomsday device, gift wrapped by Protheans.
Wasn't it too convenient of a plot point that the formula to destroy Reapers was in Mars archives??? And the reasons why we did not find it earlier, is yet another cheesy line. Process of elimination??

Ass pull if u ask me..

Also, Read my Signature!!!

Modifié par DGMockingJay, 03 juillet 2012 - 06:13 .

[Carlthestrange]

Valid points, good video.

But its true, what we were given is all we were given, so we'll have to deal and move on.

[Jackums]

krukow wrote...

The story makes plenty of sense.

Oh my god, what we shepard's grandparents named?  WE DON"T KNOW!!  PLOTHOLE! PLOTHOLE!

The crucible was designed by a different species, a long time ago.  We don't know who(though the catalyst does, because he was around then), and it's not plot-important.  Who designed the crucible has literally NO EFFECT on the plot. 

Get over it.

If they're drinking the haterade, there's no reasoning with them. It's best if you just laugh from afar.

I'll get the popcorn, you get the drinks.

Modifié par JackumsD, 03 juillet 2012 - 06:13 .

[Arisugawa]

The whole shebang over again.

Modifié par Arisugawa, 03 juillet 2012 - 06:21 .

[SwitchN7]

Nice guy BTongue.But he didn't slap the EC quite the opposite.To what your referring are some personal issues he had with the EC.Like i have mine and others have theirs:).But overall the EC is supertastic holy unlyrical lyrics Batman.

[Mythx88]

LinksOcarina wrote...

Mythx88 wrote...

Flog61 wrote...

?

2:41 - 6:27

Basically a major issue with the crucible, and how the crucible itself, its origin, and its functions being completely nonsensical.

That's kind of a big problem considering how central the crucible is to ME3.

Like the Prothean beacons, the conduit, the cipher, vigil and element zero?

Unlike the crucible, those were introduced in the beginning of the series and built the foundation of the ME universe. None of which are activated in a nonsensical way ( shooting the tube / disintegration ) and perform something that is radically out of place in the universe established in ME1 ( Space magic  ). 

Prothean beacons, the conduit, the cipher, vigil, and element zero are examples of advanced technology in the ME universe, not space magic. I believe they all have an entry in the codex with plenty of information on how they work, or atleast a description that doesn't break suspension of disbelief.

I doubt you'll find one on "Synthesis" explaining how it was achieved.

[Renmiri1]

No one will ever explain why the Catalyst didn't help Saren on ME1.

[krukow]

DGMockingJay wrote...

krukow wrote...

DGMockingJay wrote...

luzburg wrote...

well hes right about the crusible but as he said make up our own imagination about it

He is saying, the Crucible and Catalyst were contrived, not Dervied from the plot. So the plot legitimacy is questionalble. As a result, any imagination given to the the story is just as legit and original as the original plot....

Its hard to put in words what he said.. He seems like he is good with words..

The catalyst maybe (though there was always a strong possibility of there being "something" behind the reapers), but the crucible is the point of the first mission after you get off Earth.  It's introduced to the game before Garrus is.

Yeah. And how was Crucible introduced?? In Mars archives. Just when Reapers come knocking, u get the plans for doomsday device, gift wrapped by Protheans.
Wasn't it too convenient of a plot point that the formula to destroy Reapers was in Mars archives??? And the reasons why we did not find it earlier, is yet another cheesy line. Process of elimination??

Ass pull if u ask me..

Also, Read my Signature!!!

For starters, a deus ex machina is something new introduced at the end to solve a seemingly unsolvable problem.  The catalyst is introduced early in the game.  It's not a deus ex machina.  It's a McGuffin.  It's the thing you're planning to use to beat the reapers for the whole game. 

And they somewhat explained that.  The alliance had those archives for decades, but hadn't done much with them (a doomsday device to destroy the reapers isn't very useful if you don't believe in reapers).  It's flimsy, but most epic sagas center around a series of unlikely events (droids carrying the plans for the death star just happen to land near and be bought by Darth Vader's son.  How convienant...). 

If you don't like the story they wrote, that's fine, but it was their story to write.  You wanted a conventional war and you didn't get it.  I did too.  However, with the ec, what we got was pretty much coherant.  You're just looking for reasons to complain now.

[Father_Jerusalem]

Mythx88 wrote...



Unlike Angryjoe and Jeremyjahns who gave the EC a thumbs up, this gives a clearer view on what the EC accomplished. The whole thing at 1:45 is what I am refering to.

"Angryjoe and Jeremyjahns disagree with me so they're stupid, this guy still does so he's THE BEST PERSON EVER IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD!!!11!!one!one!11!"

[DGMockingJay]

Renmiri1 wrote...

No one will ever explain why the Catalyst didn't help Saren on ME1.

First I thought, prior to EC, that the Catalyst is a Godlike entity. who is an observer, not doing anything, and just watching the Reapers harvesting the organics with minimum to no input. Like God does in real life..

But clearly EC has established that Catalyst is actually a rogue AI, which is essentially a Reaper himself, if not collective intelligence of Reapers like Geths. Then why did he not help the Reapers during the events of Mass Effect 1? Why even leave Sovereign behind as a Reaper vanguard, when U already have Catalyst living in Citadel???

Modifié par DGMockingJay, 03 juillet 2012 - 06:30 .

[Rhz]

Renmiri1 wrote...

No one will ever explain why the Catalyst didn't help Saren on ME1.

Because the catalyst once says "Just as we left your people alive the last time we were here". He couldnt help him because he wasnt "at home".

[Mythx88]

BrookerT wrote...

Mythx88 wrote...

BrookerT wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

BrookerT wrote...

So what, he repeats complaints and it's a b*tch slap, really?

Having to repeat the same complaints due to the EC not really fixing anything kind of shows that uh...the EC didn't really fix anything (at least not to people paying attention). 

No it just means people who didn't like the ending parrot the same stuff like, gasp sheep. And for alot of people the EC did fix things and I'm pretty sure they were paying attention

Brooker take a look at 1:31 - 2:30 again.

He clearly acknowledges what the EC addressed / fixed, and then goes on to point out the problems that still remain.

Are you sure you were paying attention while watching the video?

I meant that his complaints wern't original, so it wasn't really a b*tch slap, as it implies something clever. There definatley still issues with the EC, but the ones he brings up have been said better, elsewhere. Apologises if that wasn't clear:unsure:

Ah. I see. I personally haven't heard them said better, elsewhere tbh. May I ask who / what you are refering to? 

Edit: NVM. 
Arisugawa  just posted something. 

Modifié par Mythx88, 03 juillet 2012 - 06:36 .

[EsterCloat]

I kinda agree with him on the Catalyst just kind of waving Shepard off on who designed the Crucible, especially as you can waste a lot of time on just explaining each option.

I mean, how long would it have taken to say, "An advanced species of squid face people many cycles ago designed it after Sovereign got drunk for a few thousand years and forgot to let us through. They actually got the closest to beating us in a straight up fight since they got that extra time to screw around. You guys are kinda chumps in comparison."?

Modifié par EsterCloat, 03 juillet 2012 - 06:36 .

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Rhz wrote...

Renmiri1 wrote...

No one will ever explain why the Catalyst didn't help Saren on ME1.

Because the catalyst once says "Just as we left your people alive the last time we were here". He couldnt help him because he wasnt "at home".

What? What? What the actual hell? He says that because "the cycle" leaves the younger species alone that has absolutely NOTHING to do with not helping Saren.