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[The Interloper]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...
That video kinda sucked. Too much talking, and the visuals were a bit boring to look at. I also wish he had made better use of the medium. A poll would have been nice. All in all, I rate this video 2/10. I'm hoping for a newer version with a better conclusion. Actually, I might start a petition to get his attention!!

Hi, I'm from Bioware! Didn't find out what happened to the main characters? Lol, cry some more, you little baby. Make something up. Use some imagination. Lol, next you'll expect me to create another scene or something. What do I look like to you, a professional writer? Please.

Fine, fine, I'll give you a characer slideshow. Happy now? You should be. I just moved the entire world for your whiny a**. What's that? Now you want the plot to correlate with the ending? I already gave you an ending in which things happened. Next you'll tell me that these things have to make narrative or thematic sense. The nerve!

[DGMockingJay]

Fiannawolf wrote...

Would it have been so bad to win conventionally? Isnt that why my Sheps got eveyone on the same track, amassed fleets and resources, then prep'd for Earth? *sigh*

no.. U gathered the galactic fleet, to b fed as a cannon fodder, so that u have enough time and protection to dock the Crucible, a weapon, u dont even know works or not..

Although, I do believe, conventional victory would have cheapen the persona of Reapers.. Also, in ME3, they were hell bent on pulling a Hand of God on us. So conventional victory was always a No Go from the start of ME3!!!

Modifié par DGMockingJay, 03 juillet 2012 - 08:15 .

[Nerevar-as]

Rhz wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Rhz wrote...

Renmiri1 wrote...

No one will ever explain why the Catalyst didn't help Saren on ME1.

Because the catalyst once says "Just as we left your people alive the last time we were here". He couldnt help him because he wasnt "at home".

What? What? What the actual hell? He says that because "the cycle" leaves the younger species alone that has absolutely NOTHING to do with not helping Saren.

u not comprehend

"The last time we were here" usually means hes comming with the reapers and leaving with the reapers, that means while sovereign was trying to open the citadell realy, the catalyst was in dark space with the rest of the reapers, otherwise why would he say the last time WE were here

If the catalyst was all the time at the citadel he would've said the "last time the reapers were here"

Actually that might make sense. Starbrat is also the collective consensus of the Reapers, so in that sense it was in dark space.

Yeah, he also claims to control them. I don´t know how they managed to make such a mess with so little dialogue.

[Mythx88]

The Interloper wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...
That video kinda sucked. Too much talking, and the visuals were a bit boring to look at. I also wish he had made better use of the medium. A poll would have been nice. All in all, I rate this video 2/10. I'm hoping for a newer version with a better conclusion. Actually, I might start a petition to get his attention!!

Hi, I'm from Bioware! Didn't find out what happened to the main characters? Lol, cry some more, you little baby. Make something up. Use some imagination. Lol, next you'll expect me to create another scene or something. What do I look like to you, a professional writer? Please.

Fine, fine, I'll give you a characer slideshow. Happy now? You should be. I just moved the entire world for your whiny a**. What's that? Now you want the plot to correlate with the ending? I already gave you an ending in which things happened. Next you'll tell me that these things have to make narrative or thematic sense. The nerve!

:lol:     

So funny, yet so sad because it's true.

[jeff359]

I agree with the guy in the video, but they are going to fix it so we'll have to live with it.

[spockjedi]

I can't stop watching the video.

[SpamBot2000]

Excellent video. And good illustration of the meta-refusal ending. But why give up awhen the Reduced Extended Cut is only a snip away?

Modifié par SpamBot2000, 03 juillet 2012 - 08:44 .

[Mythx88]

SpamBot2000 wrote...

Excellent video. And good illustration of the meta-refusal ending. But why give up awhen the Reduced Extended Cut is only a snip away?

What do you mean?

[Aganerral]

Nerevar-as wrote...

Rhz wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Rhz wrote...

Renmiri1 wrote...

No one will ever explain why the Catalyst didn't help Saren on ME1.

Because the catalyst once says "Just as we left your people alive the last time we were here". He couldnt help him because he wasnt "at home".

What? What? What the actual hell? He says that because "the cycle" leaves the younger species alone that has absolutely NOTHING to do with not helping Saren.

u not comprehend

"The last time we were here" usually means hes comming with the reapers and leaving with the reapers, that means while sovereign was trying to open the citadell realy, the catalyst was in dark space with the rest of the reapers, otherwise why would he say the last time WE were here

If the catalyst was all the time at the citadel he would've said the "last time the reapers were here"

Actually that might make sense. Starbrat is also the collective consensus of the Reapers, so in that sense it was in dark space.

Yeah, he also claims to control them. I don´t know how they managed to make such a mess with so little dialogue.

Except that, at least in the original ending, starbrat said that the Citadel is his home.  This heavily implies that he lives there, not just visits for a couple centuries every 50000 years.

[Biotic Flash Kick]

Someone who will keep fighting the good fight.
I will be soldier if he is the general

[Dendio1]

The title of this thread is pretty inaccurate

[Grimwick]

Mesina2 wrote...

Thread title is misleading.


He didn't b*tchslap EC, he slapped the EC like a b*tch.

This was a disappointing video from him this time.
He said problems that were said since day 1.

That's the point - a lot of the problems are still there...

Some are fixed of course - the galaxy is no longer completely destroyed/starved - but there remains many many questions/problems left unanswered and the EC never really gave much 'closure' at all.

[M Hedonist]

Biotic Flash Kick wrote...

Someone who will keep fighting the good fight.
I will be soldier if he is the general

He has actually pretty much given up on the "fight".
Because there isn't anything to be won anymore, people.

[macrocarl]

He's too whiney for me. While I respect his opinion it's just that. His.

[SpamBot2000]

Mythx88 wrote...

SpamBot2000 wrote...

Excellent video. And good illustration of the meta-refusal ending. But why give up awhen the Reduced Extended Cut is only a snip away?

What do you mean?

Emergency Spacekidoctomy! 20 bucks would buy that and a couple of drinks for the BW employee to perform it. So there's no need to worry about gamesaving measures bankrupting them.

[macrocarl]

Also, to be more specific, I don't agree with how he defines genre. A couple whiny videos before he likens ME to Star Trek where things are rooted in hard science. 1st off: what? Star Trek has plenty plenty plenty of god like beings all the dang time in the show. Like super agrressively cheesy ones.
Secondly, ME is a blend of several sub genres of sci-fi, not one genre. Case Hudson said as much during an interview. He spoke about all the different movies he rented, good ones, bad ones and ones in between to get a blend for the ME-verse.
MrBtongue assumes that a genre's purpose is too inflexible to include other influences. It's 2012. It's post post modern, and I can tell you for a fact, that we are way way way over genre constriction in Sci-Fi.
He doesn't like 'hologram kid'. Which is fine, but that doesn't make him correct. Also, explaining what the Crucible is isn't important. I'm not sure why everyone needs a literal explanation for everything........ I'm seeing that same complaint over and over again on the interwebs right now. It's kind of freaky. So no, b**ch slap denied.

[Kamfrenchie]

The EC couldn't fix the bad writing that plagues the entire game ( the galaxy leaders being a bunch of incompetent fools, TIM turning to th dark side, i mean reapers, the asspull/DEM crucible that doesnt have any explanation, why aren't the reapers attacking the citadel first etc.)

In the end it all depends on your own willing suspension of disbelief or standards for storytelling. Many people have low standards and are happy with EC because it brings back some emotion in it, and they ignore the problem with cerberus, the crucible and cie.

If you have higher standards like me, the issues are just too obvious. But don't hope to convinc people with low standards, they'll give free pass to bioware.
All we can do is agree thaat the plot/stoyteling is bad, and get thos over with.

I used to like ME nd preent it as a good serie, now if I ever enjoy any gams with that IP it will be a guilty pleasure if anything. It's ruined for me.

It inspired itself heavily on the freespace serie plot, and could have done better. BUt now freespace will remain a bette universe wth better plot, story, and care

[spockjedi]

Agreed with Kamfrenchie.

[Kamfrenchie]

macrocarl wrote...

Also, to be more specific, I don't agree with how he defines genre. A couple whiny videos before he likens ME to Star Trek where things are rooted in hard science. 1st off: what? Star Trek has plenty plenty plenty of god like beings all the dang time in the show. Like super agrressively cheesy ones.
Secondly, ME is a blend of several sub genres of sci-fi, not one genre. Case Hudson said as much during an interview. He spoke about all the different movies he rented, good ones, bad ones and ones in between to get a blend for the ME-verse.
MrBtongue assumes that a genre's purpose is too inflexible to include other influences. It's 2012. It's post post modern, and I can tell you for a fact, that we are way way way over genre constriction in Sci-Fi.
He doesn't like 'hologram kid'. Which is fine, but that doesn't make him correct. Also, explaining what the Crucible is isn't important. I'm not sure why everyone needs a literal explanation for everything........ I'm seeing that same complaint over and over again on the interwebs right now. It's kind of freaky. So no, b**ch slap denied.

Demanding an explaination fo the crucibleis called having standard.

If the ntire galaxy has no hope of fihting the reapers but an unknown convenient device can, some people re gona want an explanation as to how this artifact can do such miraculous things.
Besides, mass effect had the habit of explaining just about anything in its universe, but oh ookk, not for the crucible

[LaughingDragon]

Kamfrenchie wrote...

The EC couldn't fix the bad writing that plagues the entire game ( the galaxy leaders being a bunch of incompetent fools, TIM turning to th dark side, i mean reapers, the asspull/DEM crucible that doesnt have any explanation, why aren't the reapers attacking the citadel first etc.)

In the end it all depends on your own willing suspension of disbelief or standards for storytelling. Many people have low standards and are happy with EC because it brings back some emotion in it, and they ignore the problem with cerberus, the crucible and cie.

If you have higher standards like me, the issues are just too obvious. But don't hope to convinc people with low standards, they'll give free pass to bioware.
All we can do is agree thaat the plot/stoyteling is bad, and get thos over with.

I used to like ME nd preent it as a good serie, now if I ever enjoy any gams with that IP it will be a guilty pleasure if anything. It's ruined for me.

It inspired itself heavily on the freespace serie plot, and could have done better. BUt now freespace will remain a bette universe wth better plot, story, and care

Agree.

[Trebor1969]

Subguy614 wrote...

Watched this earlier today. Tasteful Understated Nerdrage hits the nail on the head again.

+1

[Trebor1969]

LaughingDragon wrote...

Kamfrenchie wrote...

The EC couldn't fix the bad writing that plagues the entire game ( the galaxy leaders being a bunch of incompetent fools, TIM turning to th dark side, i mean reapers, the asspull/DEM crucible that doesnt have any explanation, why aren't the reapers attacking the citadel first etc.)

In the end it all depends on your own willing suspension of disbelief or standards for storytelling. Many people have low standards and are happy with EC because it brings back some emotion in it, and they ignore the problem with cerberus, the crucible and cie.

If you have higher standards like me, the issues are just too obvious. But don't hope to convinc people with low standards, they'll give free pass to bioware.
All we can do is agree thaat the plot/stoyteling is bad, and get thos over with.

I used to like ME nd preent it as a good serie, now if I ever enjoy any gams with that IP it will be a guilty pleasure if anything. It's ruined for me.

It inspired itself heavily on the freespace serie plot, and could have done better. BUt now freespace will remain a bette universe wth better plot, story, and care

Agree.

Agree ++

[tetsutsuru]

Kamfrenchie wrote...

Demanding an explaination fo the crucibleis called having standard.

If the ntire galaxy has no hope of fihting the reapers but an unknown convenient device can, some people re gona want an explanation as to how this artifact can do such miraculous things.
Besides, mass effect had the habit of explaining just about anything in its universe, but oh ookk, not for the crucible

No kidding.

The whole game, Hackett keeps saying no one know what it does, yet he can tell when it's "armed", and they need to get the hell out of here and regroup at the rendezvous coordnates.

Throughout the Mass Effect series, BioWare gave details on most, if not all, aspects of the ME Universe.  Why?  Simply because DETAILS MATTER.  Suddenly we have this giant space magic wand where we have zero data, and simply told "it's a weapon".

Yeah, okay, which does what, exactly?
Oh we have no idea, and neither do you.  We just know it's a weapon.
Well, how do you know it's a weapon?
Just shut up and take it.  It's a weapon, OKAY.
But how--
Because art.

And EVERYTHING that ties into this stupid, ill-conceived Crucible plot device is fundamentally screwed.

Modifié par tetsutsuru, 03 juillet 2012 - 09:54 .

[krukow]

Kamfrenchie wrote...

The EC couldn't fix the bad writing that plagues the entire game ( the galaxy leaders being a bunch of incompetent fools, TIM turning to th dark side, i mean reapers, the asspull/DEM crucible that doesnt have any explanation, why aren't the reapers attacking the citadel first etc.)

SIGH...

The leaders have always been incompetent fools, ever since ME1.  However, in this, they're more protectionary.  They're worried about their specific people more than the galaxy as a whole.  Which should be semi-understandable.  The two guards in the room between the war room and the main area actually have a conversation about this...

TIM was indoctrinated.  Ummm, should explain the turn...

The crucible has plenty of explanation.  It was designed thousands or millions of years ago by a race Shepard would not have heard of.  They've been passed, and refined, from cycle to cycle.  We found the plans on mars years ago, but pretty much ignored them till the reaper threat was undeniable and we were desperate.  It's also not DEM, you should probably look that term up.

I actually can't explain why they don't attack the citadel first.  Possibly because they didn't emerge from dark space there this time.  I'll give you "speculations" on this one though.

[Brovikk Rasputin]

The Interloper wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...
That video kinda sucked. Too much talking, and the visuals were a bit boring to look at. I also wish he had made better use of the medium. A poll would have been nice. All in all, I rate this video 2/10. I'm hoping for a newer version with a better conclusion. Actually, I might start a petition to get his attention!!

Hi, I'm from Bioware! Didn't find out what happened to the main characters? Lol, cry some more, you little baby. Make something up. Use some imagination. Lol, next you'll expect me to create another scene or something. What do I look like to you, a professional writer? Please.

Fine, fine, I'll give you a characer slideshow. Happy now? You should be. I just moved the entire world for your whiny a**. What's that? Now you want the plot to correlate with the ending? I already gave you an ending in which things happened. Next you'll tell me that these things have to make narrative or thematic sense. The nerve!

I simply made a review of the video?