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[Pekkan]

I couldn't kill anything through the Glacier windows with AP ammo III on in one game with my Harrier (Extended barrel + thermal clip) on my Vorcha Sentinel, and in other games the penetration felt lackluster also

After this I decided to do some testing.  I equipped Harrier and Paladin, both with extended barrels and larger magazines, and equipped AP II ammo, Paladin killed nicely through the Glacier glass, but Harrier couldn't do anything. After this I switched the larger clip to AP mod V on both guns, and they both worked well through the glass. Tested on PC.

EDIT: 

Or now did more testing, changed Paladin to Eagle, Harrier and Eagle both with extended barrel and larger magazines, equipped AP ammo II. This time the game applied the penetration bonus to Harrier, and it killed Cerberus nicely through the Glacier glass, and Eagle did nothing through the Glacier glass.

EDIT 2:

Based on further tests, the penetration seems to be applied of the two equipped weapons to the one with higher level. Tests done with level II AP ammo on Glacier. 

Paladin V vs Harrier III
Talon VIII vs Harrier III 
Harrier III vs Eagle II
Harrier III vs Hurricane I 
Eagle II  vs Hurricane I  

EDIT 3:

The penetration bonus is applied to the weapon that is equipped at the start of the match, the higher level weapon is automatically equipped at the start of the match, but if both weapons are equal level, then you just have to test which one of them will be equipped at the start of the match. Or maybe it was weapon type that determines the priority when you have same level weapons, but don't remember that order now.

Saber X vs Carnifex X

Modifié par Pekkan, 04 juillet 2012 - 10:59 .

[Kenadian]

Simple test. Put AP on two guns. Put no AP mod on. Shoot Guardians. If one damages/kills it and the other doesn't without using the mail slot, it's bugged.

[capn233]

Weird. And you weren't taking any oblique shots that would have made the penetration distance higher than 75cm for AP II or 1m for AP III... like odd shots through multiple windows?

[MajorBlazkowicz]

I think AP3 is bugged, I have used AP1 and 2 and they seem to work, do not know about 4 yet.

When I use an SMG I take AP1 or 2 for cover and Guardian shields.

[Pekkan]

I shot from the same spot to Cerberus troops on same spot with my Extended barrel + thermal clip Paladin that with the Harrier when I had AP II ammo on, at Cerberus troops, Paladin worked, Harrier didn't.

[Wordlywisewiz]

Armor 3 works but the mod seems like it has no affect on the harrier or atkeadt in combination with ammo

[capn233]

Don't have the Harrier so I can't help you verify your result.

[Conduit0]

Unless this has somehow changed in the last few days, I can say with absolute certainty that AP ammo works just fine on the Harrier. My usual setup with the Harrier is extended barrel + clip and use AP ammo. This setup kills Guardians with ease and I could regularly hit enemies through light cover as well.

[Pekkan]

Or now did more testing, changed Paladin to Eagle, Harrier and Eagle both with extended barrel and larger magazines, equipped AP ammo II. This time the game applied the penetration bonus to Harrier, and Eagle did nothing through the Glacier glass. So sometimes the penetration bonus from AP ammo is applied only to 1 of the 2 weapon equipped. Usually run Vorcha sentinel with Harrier and Reegar, so I guess it applied the penetration to Reegar, that does not penetrate walls apparently anyway.

Modifié par Pekkan, 03 juillet 2012 - 07:47 .

[Conduit0]

Pekkan wrote...

Or now did more testing, changed Paladin to Eagle, Harrier and Eagle both with extended barrel and larger magazines, equipped AP ammo II. This time the game applied the penetration bonus to Harrier, and Eagle did nothing through the Glacier glass.

In that case, it may be an issue that the game isn't properly applying ammo bonuses to both weapons. Maybe try confirming by equiping two other weapons and see what happens?

[Pekkan]

Based on further tests, the penetration seems to be applied of the two equipped weapons to the one with higher level. Tests done with level II AP ammo on Glacier.

Paladin V vs Harrier III
Talon VIII vs Harrier III 
Harrier III vs Eagle II
Harrier III vs Hurricane I 
Eagle II  vs Hurricane I  

Modifié par Pekkan, 03 juillet 2012 - 08:15 .

[Arppis]

I always use the AP mod on Harrier, so I don't know.

[Pekkan]

The penetration bonus is applied to the weapon that is equipped at the start of the match, the higher level weapon is automatically in your hands at the start of the match, but if both weapons are equal level, then you just have to test which one of them will be equipped at the start of the match. Or maybe it was weapon type that determines the priority when you have same level weapons, but don't remember that order now.

Saber X vs Carnifex X

Modifié par Pekkan, 03 juillet 2012 - 09:58 .

[Kenadian]

Well, all the more reason to only use one gun. :v

[Wordlywisewiz]

Nice to know what about other types of ammo? I think the lighter gun or gun on top is your primary geth SMG is always primary

[Pekkan]

Cryo, incendiary and disruptor ammo applied their most obvious effects on Talon, freezing, incinerating and electrocuting, regardless whether it was in your hands at the start of the game. But if the penetration is broken on AP ammo when it comes to applying it to both equipped weapons, some of the less obvious effects of other ammos might also be broken.

Modifié par Pekkan, 04 juillet 2012 - 11:17 .

[Red the Aloof]

BUMP :|

This requires attention as the bug still exists. (Xbox)

I noticed this bug happening as well. My human soldier currently runs Saber VI with Acolyte X (Very small weight penalty) with AP ammo for pure damage. The game considers my Acolyte as my "main" weapon and steals the AP mod for itself while my saber gets no penetration bonus at all. Needless to say, my Saber can't even penetrate thin cover at all, including guardian shields.

As the OP said, the weapon with the higher level gets the AP bonus. So, avoid equipping your preferred low leveled weapon with a high leveled back up weapon as chances are your backup weapon will steal the AP mod.

Modifié par Red the Aloof, 02 août 2012 - 07:39 .

[corporal doody]

ive never had this problem

[Learn To Love Yourself]

I've talked about this quite a few times. It happens to me too. I don't know if it strips the power completely from your other gun. I think it makes it a lesser degree of the ammo power.

For example, I was carrying a Piranha and a Harrier and had AP3 on. The Piranha is a higher level gun, so it is what I was holding first, and it is what the ammo power applied to. The harrier could still penetrate guardian shields, but barely. It took way too long to kill for AP3.

Not sure how it can be fixed, and I'm not sure if it will do the same for guns of the same level.

[Shad Croly]

Interesting... kinda makes me glad I only ever use a single weapon (then again, I play mostly powers classes).

[Cobra5]

It really does figure we'd see something like this.

I was wondering why sometimes I'd kill with my typhoon and sometimes it'd be so-so.

I wonder: Is this for all ammo types? That would be big news...!

[gsrm redneck]

Huh good thing my AP ammo is reserved for my claymore gethfiltrator.

[PolisMassa]

Importend stuff, needs a bump.

[TheRubz]

unequivocal evidence plx!

the war effort depends on it!

[PolisMassa]

Tryed it myself, Pirannha X, Harrier VI with AP ammo, the harrier cant even shot throu glass, this is
A VERY SERIUS BUG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Modifié par PolisMassa, 02 août 2012 - 02:15 .