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[Faithfully Deviant]

I would like to know why Bloodmagic is so "EVIL!!!!" while you are given the option from the start to practice necromancy, starting with turning dead bodies in for magic to actually raising a skeleton. I mean really, at least with Bloodmagic you're only hurting yourself.
You would think that the Chantry would be more opposed to the raising of the dead than people stabbing themselves.
Also lets note how the draining of another personan's health is also not that bad.

[Adria Teksuni]

Blood Magic, from what I understand, is needed for the summoning and consorting with demons from the Fade, not simply enhancing/providing powers with it. None of the characters able to practise blood magic that we can use have been studying long enough to perform those types of rituals. That's why blood magic is TEH EVULLLL!



Necromancy is generally performed on dead things. They're dead and don't care so much anymore.

[DragonRageGT]

You'll become an abomination in RL too!

sorry... j/k...

[Fleapants]

Blood magic is taught by demons, so any blood mage is at best a hairbreadth away from becoming an abomination.

[GHL_Soul_Reaver]

Nothing wrong with a little bit of happy cutting I guess...

[SheffSteel]

Everybody knows that necromancy is the new green.

Reduce, re-animate, recycle!

[J.O.G]

In any setting, blood magic is despised by good and neutral religions, because it anihilates the very life energy given by their respective life-giving deities.

In DA:O, using blood magic for any purpose carries a geat danger of ripping the veil and letting demons to enter the world.

Modifié par J.O.G, 15 décembre 2009 - 10:49 .

[Faithfully Deviant]

Adria Teksuni wrote...

 They're dead and don't care so much anymore.

Ah life finally makes sense xD

[II Relics II]

Also, Blood Magic can be used to control people and thus are able to control kings or other important figures...



Plus the whole demon pact thing is also a downer.

[aerathnor]

I'm not entirely sure on *how* necromancy works in this game but I believe that the tree is supposed to be accepted just because its the opposite of the the "Creation" tree and magic as the circle practices strives for balance (ie: Primal manipulates the physical vs Spirit manipulating the ethereal or Fade)



If nothing else the fact that the spell wisp is an accepted tactic to use astounds me. Wisps are essentially demons that broke through the veil and could find nothing to posses and being a weaker demon ended up in a "wisp form" (Shades are the same thing but they possessed a strength of will and mind to give them selves a more recognizable form). The fact that mages are running around with these little demons following them about and this is OK is just boggling

[Adria Teksuni]

Faithfully Deviant wrote...

Adria Teksuni wrote...

 They're dead and don't care so much anymore.

Ah life finally makes sense xD

Glad I could be of assistance! 

[blazin130791]

you have all fell for the chantry's propaganda.

[aerathnor]

In one of the codex files I read. If I can find the exact one I'll point you to it but it should just be under the "Demons" section of your codex. One thing I love about Bioware games is the immense amount of back story provided through Codex or other similar things. I being a sci fi fan as well was insanely into their descriptions of the FTL drives and the Mass Effect drives in ME. I sometimes find myself reading a codex and suddenly 2 hours have gone by and I was just reading.

[Maria Caliban]

Faithfully Deviant wrote...

I would like to know why Bloodmagic is so "EVIL!!!!" while you are given the option from the start to practice necromancy, starting with turning dead bodies in for magic to actually raising a skeleton. I mean really, at least with Bloodmagic you're only hurting yourself.

You would think that the Chantry would be more opposed to the raising of the dead than people stabbing themselves.

Also lets note how the draining of another personan's health is also not that bad.

Why would the Chantry be opposed to the raising of the dead?

Blood magic is considered bad for a number of reasons -
1) Because you can control another's mind with it: If you raise a bunch of undead and attack a town, people will notice. A blood mage could control the King and no one would know.

2) Because there is no limit to blood magic: Regular magic is limited by a mage's natural mana pool and their ability to get lyrium potions, a rare commodity. Blood mages can simply kill people to increase their power.

3) The Imperium managed to conquer Thedas with their blood magic: Not necromancy or primal spells. Blood magic.

Your quest is akin to 'Why does the USA have so much trouble with other nations having weapons grade uranium but not with other nations having a regular armed force? Why do they assume that people who want weapons grade uranium are EVIL?"

[blazin130791]

"The Imperium managed to conquer Thedas with their blood magic: Not necromancy or primal spells. Blood magic."



where does it say they exclusively used blood magic? (genuine question)



"Why do they assume that people who want weapons grade uranium are EVIL"



because it is an excuse to stop other countries being able to contend in milatry force. you don't see the US taking away the UKs nukes. just cus goverments get weapons grade uranium dosn't mean they want to nuke someone.







and as for blood magic, the Gw use blood magic...

[Adria Teksuni]

A lot of organized religions are opposed to anything being done to the dead, as it's considered a desecration of a holy vessel, i.e. the form made in their god's image and the former container of the soul.  I didn't think it such a stretch to believe the Chantry would feel the same way. 

[orpheus333]

I think doing it mid battle with the dead of your enemy is a little different to running around redcliff raising peoples grandparents. Its not the spell its the context in which it is used. In DA their is no traffic with the gods of death, or souls of the dead. It is simply forcing movement into the limbs of dead bodies.

[Fleapants]

Skeletons and other undead are simply corpses possessed by demons, so I gather that the Chantry takes a very dim view of Necromancy even if it isn't blood magic.

andyr1986 wrote...

I think doing it mid battle with the
dead of your enemy is a little different to running around redcliff
raising peoples grandparents. Its not the spell its the context in
which it is used. In DA their is no traffic with the gods of death, or
souls of the dead. It is simply forcing movement into the limbs of dead
bodies.

Indeed. Wynne explains that it is impossible to actually resurrect anyone once the spirit has passed away.
No magic can bring back the dead. Revival is more like a pair of jumper cables

Modifié par Fleapants, 15 décembre 2009 - 11:25 .

[Erucolindo]

The Chantry believes that Blood magic is evil because it allows a mage to break the Maker's rule...magic should be used to help man, but never to control him or harm him or some such. None of the other magics can directly control a person in the way that Blood Magic can, and because of that the Chantry considers it Evil.

I would also point out that Summon Undead and Death Siphon still only use the dead, while blood magic effects and uses the living to power itself. True, you can use yourself, but a Blood Mage can also use someone else to power there spells, against their will. Basically, a Blood Mage feeds off of others just as a demon feeds off someone.


It's basically the quick path to power, just like the Dark Side. Just as a Sith would use his hatred and anger to power his use of the force and thus gain abilities that the slow and patience Jedi would not, a Blood Mage steal the very life force of another person to allow him to cast a spell that is beyond him at the time.

[blazin130791]

again, most of the ill feeling towards blood magic is from people in the chantry or people who think it is evil because of the chantry's teachings. blood magic can be used for good...

[aerathnor]

Lets not forget that they speak of Tevinter Archmagi keeping groups of slaves on hand to power their spells.

[blazin130791]

let's not forget the joining ritual could be counted as blood magic.

[JaegerBane]

Faithfully Deviant wrote...

I would like to know why Bloodmagic is so "EVIL!!!!" while you are given the option from the start to practice necromancy, starting with turning dead bodies in for magic to actually raising a skeleton. I mean really, at least with Bloodmagic you're only hurting yourself.
You would think that the Chantry would be more opposed to the raising of the dead than people stabbing themselves.
Also lets note how the draining of another personan's health is also not that bad.

Firstly, there is no such thing as 'necromancy' in DA:O universe.  Entropy handles purely destructive magic while Spirit handles subtle magic.

Secondly, essentially the whole aversion to blood magic in this game is down to the actions of the Tevinter Imperium. There is nothing specific to Blood Magic that means it's evil.

Erucolindo wrote...

The Chantry believes that Blood magic
is evil because it allows a mage to break the Maker's rule...magic
should be used to help man, but never to control him or harm him or
some such. None of the other magics can directly control a person in
the way that Blood Magic can, and because of that the Chantry considers
it Evil.

I would also point out that Summon Undead and Death
Siphon still only use the dead, while blood magic effects and uses the
living to power itself. True, you can use yourself, but a Blood Mage
can also use someone else to power there spells, against their will.
Basically, a Blood Mage feeds off of others just as a demon feeds off
someone.


It's basically the quick path to power, just like
the Dark Side. Just as a Sith would use his hatred and anger to power
his use of the force and thus gain abilities that the slow and patience
Jedi would not, a Blood Mage steal the very life force of another
person to allow him to cast a spell that is beyond him at the time.

It's nothing like the Dark Side. Blood Magic is simply another branch of magic that the chantry has arbitrarily decided is evil. In reality magic is neither evil nor good - it depends on the use of it.

My Blood Mage/Arcane Warrior, for instance, freely uses blood magic to devastate his foes, but refuses to use it on his allies.

Modifié par JaegerBane, 15 décembre 2009 - 11:35 .

[Adria Teksuni]

Well...the templars and Alistair and a few choice comments in the Mage Origins and the dungeons of Redcliffe certainly do paint the picture that most folks think blood magic is evil.



And as for using it for good...you're attempting to control demons. Unless you are as powerful as you think you are and as careful as you think you are odds dictate one will get away from you. See Soldier's Peak for how fun that is.