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[GGW KillerTiger]

One question. When aren't they "delayed"?

[Bushido Effect]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Bushido Effect wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

COD gets tweaked quite a lot, and in general the tweaks they do to those games are big which would make it about the same as Biowares tweaks.

Also, COD is horrible imbalanced, with some guns just dominating the rest.

Not that often, I speak from my Black ops experience, as that was the last COD I played regularly (my fav), not MW3.  Also BF3.

I just can't see BW doing this every 7 days for the next year or two.  For ex. at some point Blops was settled, no more updates at all once all DLC was out, And it gelt great overall, hence it was my favorite COD. 

Black Ops still had horrible imbalanced weapons, suck as the AK47u and the FAMAS.

Still, point is this is the most tweaked game I've played thus far.  I don't own any other titles being "rebalanced" every 7 days.  BW needs to simply leave it be at some point.  What 2 years down the line?  

Eric Flanigan: "HAPPY 2014 ME3 players!  Here's the NEW balance changes, sure to make MP so exciting and fresh!"

[Poison_Berrie]

dumdum2 wrote...

Balance = nerf and buff all things so that they in the end are equal in almost every aspect

That's your interpetation, but I don't think that's how BioWare sees it and strives for.
I'd say they haven't shown to be doing that at all.

@Bushido Effect: It's the game where the balance changes are regular, but I wouldn't say it's the most tweaked one. Most just push all their tweaks in one go every once in a while. Likely at some point these will wind down and probably stop before the servers are unplugged.

Modifié par Poison_Berrie, 04 juillet 2012 - 12:41 .

[Leland Gaunt]

Bushido Effect wrote... 
Eric Flanigan: "HAPPY 2014 ME3 players!  Here's the NEW balance changes, sure to make MP so exciting and fresh!"

EA will have the servers shut down WAY before that.

[Atheosis]

GGW KillerTiger wrote...

One question. When aren't they "delayed"?

They weren't delayed last week. 

[BobWalt]

Eric Fagnan wrote...

This week's balance changes will be delayed. We're working to get them out as soon as possible but they won't be showing up today.

Among other things, this week we're looking at bumping up the difficulty of Cerberus a little since our data shows that they are by far the easiest faction on all difficulty levels and have been for quite some time. The Geth and Reapers, on the other hand, are neck and neck for difficulty.

I have an idea instead of making Cerberus harder why not make the Geth and the Reapers easier?

[JackGradus]

Come at me, Bioware, my body is ****ing ready.  Come and get me, you nancies.

[Poison_Berrie]

BobWalt wrote...

I have an idea instead of making Cerberus harder why not make the Geth and the Reapers easier?

Because the statistics might not be telling them that Geth and Reapers are too hard?
He did say that Cerberus was the easiest faction, across all dificulty levels for quite some time. He did not say that Reaper and Geth matches were too hard.

[Rosalina is my BabyCakes]

I honestly want to see these ****ty balance changes so I can rage and forget

[BobWalt]

Poison_Berrie wrote...

BobWalt wrote...

I have an idea instead of making Cerberus harder why not make the Geth and the Reapers easier?

Because the statistics might not be telling them that Geth and Reapers are too hard?
He did say that Cerberus was the easiest faction, across all dificulty levels for quite some time. He did not say that Reaper and Geth matches were too hard.

Perhaps the people at Bioware have gotten in habit of thinking in terms of balancing in the direction of hardness.  Instead of approaching it with an open mind.  I have seen this kind of corporate mindset happen.  Without access to the statistics we really have no way to tell.  It appears to me that the Reapers in Silver are too hard on many maps with some objectives and the same hold true with the Geth but to a lesser degrese, so it is quite possible that to truly balance out the game it would be best to lower the difficulty a bit on the Reapers and the Geth.  I would also add more trooper type enemies in the earlier waves on both Silver and Bronze as the earlier waves seem to lack targets.

[Poison_Berrie]

BobWalt wrote...

Without access to the statistics we really have no way to tell.

Indeed.

It appears to me that the Reapers in Silver are too hard on many maps with some objectives and the same hold true with the Geth but to a lesser degrese, so it is quite possible that to truly balance out the game it would be best to lower the difficulty a bit on the Reapers and the Geth.  I would also add more trooper type enemies in the earlier waves on both Silver and Bronze as the earlier waves seem to lack targets.

Certain objectives (hacks) on Wave 10 Silver are indeed quite hard if they are in that one spot (under the cannon on Giant, under the reactor in Reactor). Perhaps on Silver and Bronze they shouldn't spawn there. That also fixes the difficulty.
Fix Geth related bugs and Geth should be a lot less cheaper across the board.

[Morgax_Warrior]

How about bit of Brainstorm on DLC weapons balance? Decreasing damage won't make problem go away.

[GroverA125]

Eric, remember that many people actually prefer cerberus because of the fact that they are the most interesting to play against. The Geth have no real variety in combat tactics (all advance, even if enemy are covered) with little variety in design of enemies as well (same thing, just different weapon). Reapers simply follow strategies that limit the playstyle capabilities down more than the others. Cerberus have nice tactics and a diverse playstyle that allows players to use most tactics and playstyles against them.

Not saying they don't need an improvement. I trust you're using the difficulty and enemy factors together? If they're higher in all areas, I'd put it down to either simple enjoyment of their diversity and the fact that their specialist troop Nemesis (which is supposed to be rivaling the Rocket troopers and Marauders) aren't really up to scratch.

I'd say myself that the Guardian, Nemesis and (to a lesser extent) the Assault trooper could do with a buff, and the Atlas could do with a decreased rocket fire time.

[LukC]

Cirreus wrote...

I believe more bug fixing & buffing should be in order first.

Since day one, Assault Rifles need a massive damage boost (increase there damage by 50%, but remove the head shot bonus or something). Collector Assault Rifle ... is anyone on the dev team gonna do anything about it being stuck at lvl 1 ?

Make Sub Machine Guns useful. They are supposed to be shield eaters right ? Or make them stagger the enemies (with talents).

I don't use power/weapon consumables (I play on Xbox & the risk of bull sh*t is too high). I want to use them, but it feels like that carrot is smacking me in the face to play multiplayer instead of temping me forward. To be frank, I'd rather spend a million credits & get a permanent lvl 1 weapon power (fire/frost/warp/ap) than play roulette on the crates.

Too many weapons feel like "I have to be the host" only type weapons. I understand the need for cool animations when doing stuff, but make the code in the game for all guns to work the same for hits.

When can I customize my power button placement for multiplayer !?

I should be hard pressed to decide between running & gunning, and power spamming. Most of the time it's power spam, cause it's free.

The guns again need better balancing. I should be excited to use the N7 Hurricane. Or should I use M-4 Shuriken ? I'm not excited, having fun deciding or asking those types questions.

The UI still needs work. (PC people still need text chat right ?). A Latency Meter to the host ... PLEASE ! I shouldn't have to scroll right/left to see all my characters. Make the male/females toggle back & forth to save room, shrink them, something. Make the skin tones actually change something. Logos or tattoos maybe ?

I still can't tell the difference from the screen on what changes my weapons have (from lvl I to X), put some numbers up there !

This list can go on & on ... point is, it feels like I'm playing with Atari Pong type restrictions in the CoD:MW3 engine. Don't get me started about the holes (literally) in the walls either.

THIS x10000

Fix the game first then think about balance, not buffing or nerfing without propper thought to it!!!!!!!!!

[Cyonan]

LukC wrote...

THIS x10000

Fix the game first then think about balance, not buffing or nerfing without propper thought to it!!!!!!!!!

Balancing and bug fixing aren't the same team.

Doing one has no affect on how fast the other goes. They can just do both, and balance is quicker to do with the weekly balance changes setup.

[LukC]

Cyonan wrote...

LukC wrote...

THIS x10000

Fix the game first then think about balance, not buffing or nerfing without propper thought to it!!!!!!!!!

Balancing and bug fixing aren't the same team.

Doing one has no affect on how fast the other goes. They can just do both, and balance is quicker to do with the weekly balance changes setup.

Sure, but they don't balance stuff, they make it just harder and with all the bugs it's becoming too hard esp for new players!

[Cyonan]

LukC wrote...

Sure, but they don't balance stuff, they make it just harder and with all the bugs it's becoming too hard esp for new players!

Only they've been mostly buffing players and weapons, and not a whole lot of buffs to the enemies on Bronze. New players shouldn't be jumping right into gold regardless. The game wasn't designed for them to do that.

The game is also more balanced now than it was at launch, imo.

[neoskeptic2]

Fix Atlas so it doesn't get hit twice when shot with AP weapons through the canopy.

Make guardian shields truly invulnerable to incoming fire so you're forced to flank/stagger/pull/mail slot them. They're my number 1 source of headshots right now because they don't move much. My carnifex x with AP V love them.

[FeralJester616]

LukC wrote...

Cirreus wrote...

I believe more bug fixing & buffing should be in order first.

Since day one, Assault Rifles need a massive damage boost (increase there damage by 50%, but remove the head shot bonus or something). Collector Assault Rifle ... is anyone on the dev team gonna do anything about it being stuck at lvl 1 ?

Make Sub Machine Guns useful. They are supposed to be shield eaters right ? Or make them stagger the enemies (with talents).

I don't use power/weapon consumables (I play on Xbox & the risk of bull sh*t is too high). I want to use them, but it feels like that carrot is smacking me in the face to play multiplayer instead of temping me forward. To be frank, I'd rather spend a million credits & get a permanent lvl 1 weapon power (fire/frost/warp/ap) than play roulette on the crates.

Too many weapons feel like "I have to be the host" only type weapons. I understand the need for cool animations when doing stuff, but make the code in the game for all guns to work the same for hits.

When can I customize my power button placement for multiplayer !?

I should be hard pressed to decide between running & gunning, and power spamming. Most of the time it's power spam, cause it's free.

The guns again need better balancing. I should be excited to use the N7 Hurricane. Or should I use M-4 Shuriken ? I'm not excited, having fun deciding or asking those types questions.

The UI still needs work. (PC people still need text chat right ?). A Latency Meter to the host ... PLEASE ! I shouldn't have to scroll right/left to see all my characters. Make the male/females toggle back & forth to save room, shrink them, something. Make the skin tones actually change something. Logos or tattoos maybe ?

I still can't tell the difference from the screen on what changes my weapons have (from lvl I to X), put some numbers up there !

This list can go on & on ... point is, it feels like I'm playing with Atari Pong type restrictions in the CoD:MW3 engine. Don't get me started about the holes (literally) in the walls either.

THIS x10000

Fix the game first then think about balance, not buffing or nerfing without propper thought to it!!!!!!!!!

 

To be honest the balance team needs firing, out of a cannon, towards the heart of the sun.
I'm all for game balance but never have I seen a game as unbalanced towards the players as this. 
And you think you're going to keep getting new players? I've had to start telling people not to bother as by the time they get the game it will be impossable to do anything other than bronze for about 3months straight...

BW you've lost touch. Most players said nothing about the balance in the begining because it was fine... 
I'm seeing more and more players complaining now and I'm begining to think walking away may be a good idea. 
I get people want a Challenge but why does that mean the game has to become impossable for the rest of the world just so that these fools can gain a few more inches on their E-Penis???

[shadowkinz]

I thought they already buffed phantoms, i knew that they could absorb power based attacks, but bullets too? i don't recall that till recently

I think geth are still by far the easiest.. cerberus isn't so bad bc of the millions of phantoms.  But yeah i guess basing a team around one mob is kind of lol

Modifié par shadowkinz, 04 juillet 2012 - 03:43 .

[uzivatel]

I just hope they dont make Cerberus cheap like the Geth.

Modifié par uzivatel, 04 juillet 2012 - 03:46 .

[Poison_Berrie]

LukC wrote...

Fix the game first then think about balance, not buffing or nerfing without propper thought to it!!!!!!!!!

They probably put a lot more thought into than you give them credit for or than you do.

neoskeptic2 wrote...

Fix Atlas so it doesn't get hit twice when shot with AP weapons through the canopy.

Should already be fixed. It's one of the things the patch got right.

FeralJester616 wrote...

To be honest the balance team needs firing, out of a cannon, towards the heart of the sun.
I'm all for game balance but never have I seen a game as unbalanced towards the players as this. 
And you think you're going to keep getting new players? I've had to start telling people not to bother as by the time they get the game it will be impossable to do anything other than bronze for about 3months straight...

Does not compute.
People seriously need to read the balance changes again before they swear that all the changes have been towards making everything harder.

[Cyonan]

FeralJester616 wrote...
BW you've lost touch. Most players said nothing about the balance in the begining because it was fine... 
I'm seeing more and more players complaining now and I'm begining to think walking away may be a good idea. 
I get people want a Challenge but why does that mean the game has to become impossable for the rest of the world just so that these fools can gain a few more inches on their E-Penis???

You must not have been here when the game launched, as people were complaining about Novaguards being immune to damage 95% of the time before the game was even out.

Most players don't actually say anything because the forum community makes up less than 0.01% of the entire playerbase of the game. It doesn't mean they think the game is balanced, just that they aren't giving feedback on it.

They're simply bringing all factions of gold in line with each other. It's not boosting gold as a whole. If you aren't up to the challenge of gold there is two other difficulty levels for you to play in.

[superligerzero]

This sounds like a perfect time for my cerberish characters to add some excitement into the missions.

[FeralJester616]

Poison_Berrie wrote...

FeralJester616 wrote...

To be honest the balance team needs firing, out of a cannon, towards the heart of the sun.
I'm all for game balance but never have I seen a game as unbalanced towards the players as this. 
And you think you're going to keep getting new players? I've had to start telling people not to bother as by the time they get the game it will be impossable to do anything other than bronze for about 3months straight...

Does not compute.
People seriously need to read the balance changes again before they swear that all the changes have been towards making everything harder.

Actually I have been reading the balance changes. I using my own opinion for my above statement. The game has gotten harder, period, and the few things that actually helped lesson this burdon are all getting an almighty whack with the nerf stick....

Say what you like, I stand by my opinions...