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[nicethugbert]

Well, reapers have a tremendous fire rate and stagger/stun resistance and awareness and aggression and accuracy. So, I'm guessing that Cerberus will get more damage and a nucular football.

[Atheosis]

codename2o2 wrote...

Phantoms: They can negate any damage done to them via palm shield and ballet dances, their magnet->synckill glitches and the fact that they can cloak coupled with the palm gun that can kill you from anywhere on the map just makes them silly. But y'know what? I'm ok with them being silly because they're the only thing about cerberus that silly.

Literally every other class within cerberus is perfectly fine. The reason why your data tells you people do well with them is because the other factions are buggy and in general cheap by EVERY meaning of the word. Let me list off various things that push people to avoid reapers and geth:

Geth:
-Hunters can shoot through their stagger animation
-rocket troops can fire 3-4 rockets within less than seconds of each other
-Rocket troops can fire rockets at you even when the trooper itself was facing the opposite direction
-Prime bullets can curve around corners and sometimes even shoot through walls
-flame units' attacks have bigger hitboxes than the animation shows.
-hunters can stun you, rocket troops can stun you, prime bullets can stun you. When all three are firing at you plus normal units and flame units, you have zero chance of living.

Reapers:
-Banshee magnet grabs. 'Nuff said.
-4 marauders are more deadly than two brutes
-brute sync-kills are WAY too random
-husks can soemtimes magnet grab/hug you, if other units are firing at you, you're gone

Just off the top of my head.

QFT

Balancing Cerberus to be one par with those factions really means making them cheap as well.  Not really a good idea as far as I'm concerned.

[mrwizeguy]

ryoldschool wrote...

Eric Fagnan wrote...

mrwizeguy wrote...

Eric Fagnan wrote...

This week's balance changes will be delayed. We're working to get them out as soon as possible but they won't be showing up today.

Among other things, this week we're looking at bumping up the difficulty of Cerberus a little since our data shows that they are by far the easiest faction on all difficulty levels and have been for quite some time. The Geth and Reapers, on the other hand, are neck and neck for difficulty.

Whats is that data exactly? full extractions ? times players got downed? average times ? missiles fired per round? Enlight us a bit please

We have many data sources including waves completed, extractions, player faction choice, time completed, etc. and everything per map. On top of that we have internal playtests and gather feedback from the community through these forums.

Honestly, in my earlier post, and many who posted here Cerberus is selected by choice for opponent because the Geth are cheap, and the Banshee grab is unpredictable.

Might sound dull , but i choose cerb because i play late in nights and the other factions especially the Geth are a total noise polution with primes pewpewpew rocket troops fsssssst boom boom boom . 
And i agree geth are cheap as well , banshees u can somehow control if u keep your distance at all times , but hunters .... dont get me started on the hunters , i have 1 q , should the enemies and players have the same turnig speed(sensitivity) , why is the hunter and prime turning and aiming at me 10times faster?

[N7-RedFox]

PEOPLE ARE PLAYING MORE CERBERUS BECAUSE GETH AND REAPERS ARE SO RIDICULOUS THAT THEY ARE NO LONGER FUN TO PLAY AGAINST.

Hey Bioware, how about you unfrak the other two factions then people will start playing against them again? Just saying...

Modifié par CaptainTeabag, 03 juillet 2012 - 09:39 .

[Meatiershower]

Make a Platinum difficulty already, and stop buffing enemies.

[jfruelas521]

Eric Fagnan wrote...

KrazyMF wrote...

Air Quotes wrote...

What? OP Phantoms are not enough? Geth need a nerf. Actually not a nerf, but bug fixing! And till you fix those bugs you should nerf them.

Stop buffing enemies! Most of the weapons and some of the powers don't even cut it now! You're rapidly turning this game into a tedious chore to play.

This.

And also, Geth and Reapers are NOT neck and neck as far as difficulty. Your data is flawed from FBWGG spam, Geth are by far the most difficult.

I would rather do Reapers all day every day than end up against the Geth. The Geth are and exercise in frustration.

Also of note, I'm beyond bored with this game because of tedium, if you buff Cerberus to the point of Geth... and by that I mean buff Phantoms... I will just quit at this point. I'm tired of tedium and frustration associated with this game due to bugs and stupid cheap crap like a Phantom's magic palm cannon that is somehow more powerful than the Atlas' giant cannon that is as big as a player.

We have the ability to discount data from Firebase White. If we count FBW, then Geth are by far the easiest faction.

Makes sense.  One comment regarding this.  I hope you guys don't do anything to disrupt the farming of FBWGG.  I admit I enjoy farming it sometimes myself but to make a change just to disrupt farming seems kind of cheap. If people want to farm, let them, as long as they aren't cheating.  Farming =/= cheating.  

[Holy-Hamster]

Are there any plans to look at Geth stunlocking and perhaps geth turrets? Those two things make geth ridiculous at times, not all the time, but it is frustrating / cheap other than that they are fine

Reapers are in a good spot in my opinion

Guardians need a boost of some kind, as of now they're just head shot fodder,

Nemesis need to be more of a threat ,maybe decrease your shield delay after they shoot you or something, I dont know

[RequiemPrime]

Whatever they do with these changes...I hope they are extremely careful and do not get carried away with.

As it has already been stated many times over in this thread. The reason why people prefer to fight and have better chances against Cerberus is because they are the one faction that is not cheap. Even with the OP Phantoms, it still feels like we have a fairer fight with them.

With that being said....the game should be challenging, but even more importantly, fun at the same time. Not aggravating and tedious. The Geth have pretty much ruined me fighting against them anymore due to their infuriating cheapness. Please do not do the same to Cerberus.

[kyles3]

Geth on any map but FBW are by far the hardest. I think Cerberus and Reapers are equal.

But what makes the Geth hard is how buggy they are, which I imagine would need to be addressed in a patch. So I'm not surprised to see the imbalance in faction difficulty continue.

[DarklighterFreak]

just fix the geth.

[Atheosis]

Meatiershower wrote...

Make a Platinum difficulty already, and stop buffing enemies.

^This.  

[N7-RedFox]

jfruelas521 wrote...

Eric Fagnan wrote...

KrazyMF wrote...

Air Quotes wrote...

What? OP Phantoms are not enough? Geth need a nerf. Actually not a nerf, but bug fixing! And till you fix those bugs you should nerf them.

Stop buffing enemies! Most of the weapons and some of the powers don't even cut it now! You're rapidly turning this game into a tedious chore to play.

This.

And also, Geth and Reapers are NOT neck and neck as far as difficulty. Your data is flawed from FBWGG spam, Geth are by far the most difficult.

I would rather do Reapers all day every day than end up against the Geth. The Geth are and exercise in frustration.

Also of note, I'm beyond bored with this game because of tedium, if you buff Cerberus to the point of Geth... and by that I mean buff Phantoms... I will just quit at this point. I'm tired of tedium and frustration associated with this game due to bugs and stupid cheap crap like a Phantom's magic palm cannon that is somehow more powerful than the Atlas' giant cannon that is as big as a player.

We have the ability to discount data from Firebase White. If we count FBW, then Geth are by far the easiest faction.

Makes sense.  One comment regarding this.  I hope you guys don't do anything to disrupt the farming of FBWGG.  I admit I enjoy farming it sometimes myself but to make a change just to disrupt farming seems kind of cheap. If people want to farm, let them, as long as they aren't cheating.  Farming =/= cheating.  

The store cheats farmers anyway. U can grind for credits and make 8 million from farming. Only for the store to give you Ammo packs now that they've replaced Character Cards. It was a straight swap - characters for ammos. The drop rate for ammos in PSP's is waaaaay greater than Rare gear mods even though they're both gold cards. As for Black cards... dream on.

[sliverofamoon]

codename2o2 wrote...

Phantoms: They can negate any damage done to them via palm shield and ballet dances, their magnet->synckill glitches and the fact that they can cloak coupled with the palm gun that can kill you from anywhere on the map just makes them silly. But y'know what? I'm ok with them being silly because they're the only thing about cerberus that silly.

Literally every other class within cerberus is perfectly fine. The reason why your data tells you people do well with them is because the other factions are buggy and in general cheap by EVERY meaning of the word. Let me list off various things that push people to avoid reapers and geth:

Geth:
-Hunters can shoot through their stagger animation
-rocket troops can fire 3-4 rockets within less than seconds of each other
-Rocket troops can fire rockets at you even when the trooper itself was facing the opposite direction
-Prime bullets can curve around corners and sometimes even shoot through walls
-flame units' attacks have bigger hitboxes than the animation shows.
-hunters can stun you, rocket troops can stun you, prime bullets can stun you. When all three are firing at you plus normal units and flame units, you have zero chance of living.

Reapers:
-Banshee magnet grabs. 'Nuff said.
-4 marauders are more deadly than two brutes
-brute sync-kills are WAY too random
-husks can soemtimes magnet grab/hug you, if other units are firing at you, you're gone

Just off the top of my head.

I'm beginning to think that all these "balance" changes are just a ploy to get rid of all of the players except for the very best gamers, and get rid of us riff-raff. If that is the point......... well.... it's starting to work with me. I want to keep loving this game, but, I am getting very close to losing interest completely.

[LeandroBraz]

Qeylis wrote...

capn233 wrote...

Eric Fagnan wrote...

We have the ability to discount data from Firebase White. If we count FBW, then Geth are by far the easiest faction.

And this means that the main assumption is number of games completed, right?  Seems like that is biased by a whole host of factors.

Ah well.  I believe you can make a coherent argument for Cerberus being the "easiest" faction, although really I think it is Reapers if the player can finally put 2 and 2 together and figure the correct target priorities, and also how not to lose 100 IQ points whenever a Banshee shows up.

Please, do tell.  Explain to us, oh great one, how one avoids the "Magnet" of a Banshee when they are 20 feet away?  Tell us, when they teleport right next to us, and we run before they start a melee, but they suck us in anyway?  Please, wize master, share your wisdom.

The Banshees cheat.  You can try to be as smart as possible, but if someone is cheating, you can't beat them.  They should be reported, and banned.

 Don't let her get near you..

 The magnetic grab is just a illusion tha cmoe from leg. What happened is that the banshee actually grabbed you before you could run, but it took more time to show up in the animation. Basically the banshee trolled you. "okay, you are free.... just kidding! Come here!!!"

[N7-RedFox]

[quote]Atheosis wrote...

Make a Platinum difficulty already, and stop buffing enemies.[/quote]

 
[/quote]

^^^^ ABSOLUTELY THIS

[sliverofamoon]

Atheosis wrote...

Meatiershower wrote...

Make a Platinum difficulty already, and stop buffing enemies.

^This.  

I wish.

[GallowsPole]

I'll never admit to how many hours a week I play, but I tend to filter out Geth after a few matches because they are just extremely frustrating. Not hard, just frustrating. Cerberus definitely needs a buff. Just don't make hem cheap,like the Geth. Atlases chaining rockets, stuff like that.

Also it seems people are confused. Geth mechanics are the REASON for many people not playing them. But why pick Cerberus to play and not reapers. That's also what the data shows. Next to the Geth, people prefer Cerberus because they are a cakewalk.

Modifié par GallowsPole, 03 juillet 2012 - 09:48 .

[nicethugbert]

codename2o2 wrote...

Phantoms: They can negate any damage done to them via palm shield and ballet dances, their magnet->synckill glitches and the fact that they can cloak coupled with the palm gun that can kill you from anywhere on the map just makes them silly. But y'know what? I'm ok with them being silly because they're the only thing about cerberus that silly.

Literally every other class within cerberus is perfectly fine. The reason why your data tells you people do well with them is because the other factions are buggy and in general cheap by EVERY meaning of the word. Let me list off various things that push people to avoid reapers and geth:

Geth:
-Hunters can shoot through their stagger animation
-rocket troops can fire 3-4 rockets within less than seconds of each other
-Rocket troops can fire rockets at you even when the trooper itself was facing the opposite direction
-Prime bullets can curve around corners and sometimes even shoot through walls
-flame units' attacks have bigger hitboxes than the animation shows.
-hunters can stun you, rocket troops can stun you, prime bullets can stun you. When all three are firing at you plus normal units and flame units, you have zero chance of living.

Reapers:
-Banshee magnet grabs. 'Nuff said.
-4 marauders are more deadly than two brutes
-brute sync-kills are WAY too random
-husks can soemtimes magnet grab/hug you, if other units are firing at you, you're gone

Just off the top of my head.

This!  Plus reapers, particularly Muaraders have the stagger/stun resistance Krogan should have.  They pop out of stagger/stun before you'er done with your attack animation.  Their accuracy, awareness, reflexes, and fire rate are phenominally rediculous.

[LeandroBraz]

GallowsPole wrote...

I'll never admit to how many hours a week I play, but I tend to filter out Geth after a few matches because they are just extremely frustrating. Not hard, just frustrating. Cerberus definitely needs a buff. Just don't make hem cheap,like the Geth. Atlases chaining rockets, stuff like that.

Atlas now will shoot phantoms at you...

[Magicman10893]

I'm just going to reiterate what I said about the Tactical Cloak nerf but changing the key words to apply to the Cerberus buff.

"It's not that Cerberus is too easy, the problem is that Geth/Reapers or too cheap/overpowered."

[Sable Dove]

GallowsPole wrote...

I'll never admit to how many hours a week I play, but I tend to filter out Geth after a few matches because they are just extremely frustrating. Not hard, just frustrating. Cerberus definitely needs a buff. Just don't make hem cheap,like the Geth. Atlases chaining rockets, stuff like that.

Don't give them any ideas!
I don't want to face Atlases that can fire 2-4 rockets a second. :c

[Lambda_00]

Air Quotes wrote...

Lambda_00 wrote...

Grumpy Old Wizard wrote...

Buff Nemesis RoF (Either give them the ability to double tap OR decrease "lock on" time)

Why?  So squishy classes die and die and die? They already take off all shielding with one shot. I realize the game has become all about the shooty classes and overpowered guns, but I'm hoping for some balance.

I probably should add, decrease damage to (roughly ~70% of normal) would be a good idea.

Just give them a true Raptor. Not a Widow in Raptor skin. make em shoot alot with low damage, pin you down and sometimes use the Asassination ability to 1 shot shields as they do now. 

...That would be amazing.

[Zjarcal]

sliverofamoon wrote...

I'm beginning to think that all these "balance" changes are just a ploy to get rid of all of the players except for the very best gamers, and get rid of us riff-raff. If that is the point......... well.... it's starting to work with me. I want to keep loving this game, but, I am getting very close to losing interest completely.

Yes sliver, it's all a f****ng conspiracy ploy from BW because they hate you and everyone in these forums. Yes, indeed, they don't want people playing their game.

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD. 

[mpompeo27]

Cerberus buff needs to focus on Troopers and Centurions. Give them both more health and shields and increase how many spawn in later waves. Leave Phantoms alone though. The single hardest unit in the game needs no buff even if she happens to be on the overall weakest faction.

[JChaos]

One of these days, I wonder if we'll ever get a breakdown on what enemies are the most successful killers in each group.

I have a sneaking suspicion that it would break down into three groups of two for each enemy group.

Cerberus - Phantoms and Turrets
Reapers - Ravagers and Marauders
Geth - Pyros and Hunters. (Possibly Rocket Troopers in place of Pyros, but just speaking from personal experience, I've never been downed by a Rocket Trooper. The Rocket Troopers have killed my shields while something ELSE scores the killing blow.)

Just personal experience, but I highly doubt that many people would say they've had different experiences.