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[Huntress]

PinkDiamondstl wrote...

Cultist wrote...

What The Silent Grove does is disregard the choices available for Alistair’s fate in Origins and say that it is now established canon that he is King of Ferelden.
That reminds me about:

^ This is so full of win!

[Wulfram]

MKDAWUSS wrote...

Isn't that what the DAO epilogue slides essentially did?

Not really?  The dialogue slides seem to have pretty different outcomes to me.

The awakening slides had the PC vanish in all of them IIRC, but for various other stuff there's still a fair amount of difference.

[AkiKishi]

As long as the game continues to support the choices then what happens outside of the game is not really important.
However as seen in ME3 when something happens in a book it tended to be included in the game. Anderson is in his book "state" regardless of what happened in your reality.

[Cultist]

DA:O epilogues have different outcomes depending of your actions.
As for Anderson, I still remember outrage from infamous script leak and how ME3 section boiled and kept boiling till the release. And elimination of one of THE main choices you could make in ME1 was one of the main reasons for that outrage.

[mopotter]

And all of this is pretty much why I don't care if they ever do a series again. As much as I like the idea, it doesn't seem to work well yet.

Just individual games. They can set the background and each game is just about my character and companions, Next game, same background or they change it as they want, nothing about my previous game and I start with a new character, new story maybe in same era or 20 years in the past or future.

[WhiteKnyght]

David Gaider wrote...

Alistair could conceivably become the king even if he was exiled, if the plot dictated that happen (HOW DARE YOU DO THAT REALITY WOULD LOSE ALL MEANING), but there are no plans to do so... and, if it happened, it wouldn't be the comic dictating it. Make sense?

I do remember reading something in the ending slides about a rebellion using Alistair's name when you exile him. And in DAII, Teagan tells him he's been allowed to return to Ferelden. Though Alistair doesn't seem like the bloody conquest type.

There's also the possibility that Alistair is being set up to die at the end of the comic story(or end up as another supply of blood for Aurelian Titus), allowing Anora to be queen in the future no matter what your choice in Origins.(Kinda like how Mass Effect Retribution was used to make Udina the human councilor even if you chose Anderson.)

Let's hope Alistair can still squeeze out some templar power. He's gonna need it in Tevinter.

Modifié par The Grey Nayr, 30 juillet 2012 - 01:51 .

[Cultist]

All options can be viable for Alistair to return as a king...except one, when he is executed. And this one decision creates a plot-hole you can't escape. Well, unless once again we'll use magic resurrection spell, like with Leliana.

[Carmen_Willow]

David Gaider wrote...

Alistair being King of Ferelden is not "canon", as in it does not affect the choices you made in your game nor override them. The comic is a tale based on one possible version of the game world... as it would need to be, being a comic book and not a video game, and thus unable to react to game decisions.

I am so glad you said this, because I do not like what Alistair became in this version. He used to be one of the good guys, albeit an excellent tank and swordsman. In this story, he's just a killer with a crown who murder-swords a woman without warning or allowing fair combat. He went from a guy who seemed to care about others even as he learned to care for himself to just another "kill 'em all and let the Maker sort it out," dude bent on revenge, blood and guts.  

If THIS guy were Alistair, I would know in a heartbeat why the Warden did what she did in DA 2.  Having loved and married a really great guy, she chose to do what she does rather than live with the  a**hole he became in this tale (plus she suspects he cheats on a regular basis with skanky chics like the one he went on this adventure with).  As the daughter of a Teyrn or Teryn, whichever the spelling is, she doesn't put up with that crap anymore.  In fact, if the Chantry allows it, she wants a divorce!

So you can be certain that THIS Alistair is not my canon Alistair.  My Alistair had more class than this.  My Alistair truly had the makings of a superlative king. My Warden is not amused, and she plans to have arrested the tale-teller who spread these lies about her guy.  [Edited to remove possible spoilers.]

Modifié par Carmen_Willow, 30 juillet 2012 - 06:03 .

[Lord Gremlin]

Carmen_Willow wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Alistair being King of Ferelden is not "canon", as in it does not affect the choices you made in your game nor override them. The comic is a tale based on one possible version of the game world... as it would need to be, being a comic book and not a video game, and thus unable to react to game decisions.

I am so glad you said this, because I do not like what Alistair became in this version. He used to be one of the good guys, albeit an excellent tank and swordsman. In this story, he's just a killer with a crown who murder-swords a woman without warning or allowing fair combat. He went from a guy who seemed to care about others even as he learned to care for himself to just another "kill 'em all and let the Maker sort it out," dude bent on revenge, blood and guts.  

If THIS guy were Alistair, I would know in a heartbeat why the Warden did what she did in DA 2.  Having loved and married a really great guy, she chose to do what she does rather than live with the  a**hole he became in this tale (plus she suspects he cheats on a regular basis with skanky chics like the one he went on this adventure with).  As the daughter of a Teyrn or Teryn, whichever the spelling is, she doesn't put up with that crap anymore.  In fact, if the Chantry allows it, she wants a divorce!

So you can be certain that THIS Alistair is not my canon Alistair.  My Alistair had more class than this.  My Alistair truly had the makings of a superlative king. My Warden is not amused, and she plans to have arrested the tale-teller who spread these lies about her guy.  [Edited to remove possible spoilers.]

https://digital.darkhorse.com/profile/1843.dragon-age-the-silent-grove-1/
Description: An essential addition to the Dragon Age canon!

Maybe get them to change description? Else it's false advertising.

[Carmen_Willow]

Lord Gremlin wrote...

Carmen_Willow wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Alistair being King of Ferelden is not "canon", as in it does not affect the choices you made in your game nor override them. The comic is a tale based on one possible version of the game world... as it would need to be, being a comic book and not a video game, and thus unable to react to game decisions.

I am so glad you said this, because I do not like what Alistair became in this version. He used to be one of the good guys, albeit an excellent tank and swordsman. In this story, he's just a killer with a crown who murder-swords a woman without warning or allowing fair combat. He went from a guy who seemed to care about others even as he learned to care for himself to just another "kill 'em all and let the Maker sort it out," dude bent on revenge, blood and guts.  

If THIS guy were Alistair, I would know in a heartbeat why the Warden did what she did in DA 2.  Having loved and married a really great guy, she chose to do what she does rather than live with the  a**hole he became in this tale (plus she suspects he cheats on a regular basis with skanky chics like the one he went on this adventure with).  As the daughter of a Teyrn or Teryn, whichever the spelling is, she doesn't put up with that crap anymore.  In fact, if the Chantry allows it, she wants a divorce!

So you can be certain that THIS Alistair is not my canon Alistair.  My Alistair had more class than this.  My Alistair truly had the makings of a superlative king. My Warden is not amused, and she plans to have arrested the tale-teller who spread these lies about her guy.  [Edited to remove possible spoilers.]

https://digital.darkhorse.com/profile/1843.dragon-age-the-silent-grove-1/
Description: An essential addition to the Dragon Age canon!

Maybe get them to change description? Else it's false advertising.

AGHHHHHHHHH! I want a divorce!

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

I remember this same sort of attitude in the Mass Effect movie thread. it really puzzles me. Lets say I demand that Alistair becomes a drunk in any comics, books or movies because that's what I made him in my game.

So what then? I should get my way, everyone else be damned? Do people on here really only think of themselves? I have 6 playthroughs. Should any comic/book/movie have to reflect choices from all my playthroughs to keep me satisfied? Should Shepard in the movie be a cross dressing polygamist with multiple personality disorder?

It would be simpler, and more accurate, to not take what happens in another medium outside the game as anything but someone elses choices and leave it at that.

[The Hierophant]

Shinian2 wrote...

I remember this same sort of attitude in the Mass Effect movie thread. it really puzzles me. Lets say I demand that Alistair becomes a drunk in any comics, books or movies because that's what I made him in my game.

So what then? I should get my way, everyone else be damned? Do people on here really only think of themselves? I have 6 playthroughs. Should any comic/book/movie have to reflect choices from all my playthroughs to keep me satisfied? Should Shepard in the movie be a cross dressing polygamist with multiple personality disorder?

It would be simpler, and more accurate, to not take what happens in another medium outside the game as anything but someone elses choices and leave it at that.

This right here, just consider the diverging storylines of the multi-media as alternate universes.(Marvel, DC comics)

Modifié par The Hierophant, 05 août 2012 - 10:13 .

[Adanu]

Lord Gremlin wrote...

Carmen_Willow wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Alistair being King of Ferelden is not "canon", as in it does not affect the choices you made in your game nor override them. The comic is a tale based on one possible version of the game world... as it would need to be, being a comic book and not a video game, and thus unable to react to game decisions.

I am so glad you said this, because I do not like what Alistair became in this version. He used to be one of the good guys, albeit an excellent tank and swordsman. In this story, he's just a killer with a crown who murder-swords a woman without warning or allowing fair combat. He went from a guy who seemed to care about others even as he learned to care for himself to just another "kill 'em all and let the Maker sort it out," dude bent on revenge, blood and guts.  

If THIS guy were Alistair, I would know in a heartbeat why the Warden did what she did in DA 2.  Having loved and married a really great guy, she chose to do what she does rather than live with the  a**hole he became in this tale (plus she suspects he cheats on a regular basis with skanky chics like the one he went on this adventure with).  As the daughter of a Teyrn or Teryn, whichever the spelling is, she doesn't put up with that crap anymore.  In fact, if the Chantry allows it, she wants a divorce!

So you can be certain that THIS Alistair is not my canon Alistair.  My Alistair had more class than this.  My Alistair truly had the makings of a superlative king. My Warden is not amused, and she plans to have arrested the tale-teller who spread these lies about her guy.  [Edited to remove possible spoilers.]

https://digital.darkhorse.com/profile/1843.dragon-age-the-silent-grove-1/
Description: An essential addition to the Dragon Age canon!

Maybe get them to change description? Else it's false advertising.

Only you give a **** about this sort of wording. Really, it's pretty pathetic how much people on this forum whine about such small things.

[Eshaye]

BobSmith101 wrote...



I'd say you would have more grounds with KOTOR and Revan in TOR because there was never an official poster boy/girl Revan. But both Shepards and Hawke have an official appearence etc. It's pretty clear how things stand from the start.
As long as the game continues to support whatever it was you were choosing, then you have your own little alernate universe.

No sir they do not. They are marketing place holders for what Shepard or Hawke 'may' look like. Which is totally up to you. 

[Megakoresh]

This accusation is false. Even if the comic was an official BioWare creation and even if it would be marketed as an expansion for Origins, it's still a comic. BioWare makes gamea, games are what you should be worried about. Do not, please, throw out pointless accusations where they are not needed, as there are enough problems in areas that actually matter.

Modifié par Megakoresh, 07 août 2012 - 07:51 .

[LolaLei]

So long as they don't kill off Alistair or my Warden anytime soon, and if they do, then I hope it'll be together in a blaze of glory.

[Alexander1136]

wsandista wrote...

element eater wrote...

@OP im not sure why ur pointing to the comic when u neednt look further then the games themselves da2 has a huge amount of content that can simply overide your DAO game as it is.

http://t0.gstatic.co...WGIv2R9Qd5vtCzI

I think hes refering to leliana... also anders 

[Sarcastic]

David Gaider wrote...

Personally, I'd be fine with establishing canon in-between games-- more than fine, actually, as it'd make my life easier. Paying any attention to player choices in the narrative between games is difficult, which is why almost no games do it.

I think you and your team do fine at it. I was
fairly upset when I first found out that DA2 was not going to continue the
wardens story. Then like most entertainment I am passionate about I stepped
back took a breath and played through the game and saw the game/story in the
way your team wanted it to be seen. I quite enjoyed how my DA:O play through
affected my DA2 play through.



My issue with DA2 is that Hawke felt like a loser
that became hero of a dump. The reason I think it felt that way is because of the
epic scope of DA:O. Because you were such a hero in DA:O, attempting to match
that will feel replayed and anything less will feel un epic. I think this is
something the ME team is going to have a hard time with as well.

[LobselVith8]

Eshaye wrote...

Which is totally up to you.

Technically, the opening indicates that Varric has been telling stories about a white Hawke who looks like the "official appearance" Hawke.

[addiction21]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Eshaye wrote...

Which is totally up to you.

Technically, the opening indicates that Varric has been telling stories about a white Hawke who looks like the "official appearance" Hawke.

And?

[LobselVith8]

addiction21 wrote...

And?

It seems to be part of the narrative - in terms of what people are told Hawke looks like by Varric over the years - so it doesn't seem to simply be a placeholder.

[Icy Magebane]

After Leliana's mysterious resurrection in DA2, it's hard to expect DA3 to honor any of the choices made by the player in DA2. The same can be said about Anders, even if I personally never killed him off... while I can understand the frustration of fans at seeing Alistair as king, I agree that the books are separate from the games and should have no bearing on what we expect from DA3's canon. However, the creators of this series have shown that if at any time they wish to reverse our decisions, they can and will do so. While I don't agree with that ideology, that is the reality of the situation, for good or ill.

On the other hand, DA2 offered few options for altering the destinies of several characters (Isabella for example), so there aren't that many opportunities for this type of situation to occur again... but if you've played DA2, you know what to expect. If Bioware decides to use Morrigan and the OGB in the next game, it's going to happen regardless of your choices in DA:O. I'm not saying that this is right or fair, I'm just saying it's better to anticipate and prepare for the inevitable rather than get upset once it happens (if it happens).

It might be better to just view this like most games, regardless of the import feature. There is a canon that the writers present with each new game, and whatever you did in the prequel is just an alternate reality... this may not be how they explain it to us as consumers, but this is the reality that we will all face once we experience a choice that's been overruled.

I'm also in favor of getting rid of the import feature entirely, for what it's worth. I'd rather not be told that my choices matter if they actually don't or can't. But either way, once you see the series for what it is, the changes shouldn't bother you that much. Their series, their story, their rules.

Modifié par Icy Magebane, 10 août 2012 - 09:03 .

[Renmiri1]

Their series, their story, their rules.. My money and my time to play a game catered to my tastes.

Works both ways.