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[Maias227]

demoneo wrote...

Normandy took off during times of war and the crew are just slap together with whoever is available, so I don't think there's an official XO assigned. That being said, I would say it will be the next highest rank who would be next in command.

[JayPlays]

Liara is not a member of the Alliance, therefore it cannot be her. Joker is a FLt, he isn't highly ranked. EDI doesn't hold a formal rank, so it's not her. Engineer Adams isn't highly ranked so it isn't him. 

So believe it or not, the Normandy in ME3 can have 2 XOs, Major Kaidan, and/or Major Chakwas!

If both of them are dead, I would imagine that Ashley is XO.

Modifié par JayPlays, 04 juillet 2012 - 09:03 .

[SwitchN7]

They just forgot about the XO ok? Ok.

[Han Shot First]

Even though Chakwas is a Major I don't think she'd be eligible for command. As a doctor she probably doesn't know a thing about running a warship. While military doctors hold officers ranks, they aren't really trained in much besides medicine.

[SavagelyEpic]

 (Dr.) Major Chakwas is a medical officer, not a command-track officer. That being said, considering that Liara occupies the XO's office, I'm pretty sure she's Normandy's Acting XO. She wouldn't need to hold an Alliance commission under the circumstances to be the Acting XO. Couldn't be the VS, they're gone for too long.

As for who has the ship when Shepard and team (inc. Liara) are away, that would probably be Joker. As far as we know, not counting the combat specialists and Cortez, Joker, Adams, and Chakwas are the only officers on the ship (although considering their training backgrounds, Traynor, Gabby, and Ken should be commissioned...) and neither Adams or Chakwas are command officers. Joker isn't either, but he is bridge crew, which means he's highest on the order of precedence.

QED: Liara is the Acting XO, Joker has the ship in the team's absence.

[ENorman94]

It has to be the VS. If not then I don't know. It's not Liara as she's a civilian and a civilian cannot be an XO on a military ship. The only reason she has the XO's office is to put all her crap. Traynor says Liara claimed the OLD XO's office. That means Liara might have just came on the ship and looked at the room and said "mine".

[Alikain]

It's Garrus

[Jackster94]

It's garrus . After tuchunka he oversees CIC while Shepard has a rest . Have people forgottenthat?

The vs wasn't present for half the game, didn't trust Shepard for a considerable part of time and pointed a gun at her

[Darth Sparto]

I give it to Joker, he could be the only survivor of the suicide mission plus he single handily save the Normandy by himself. If anything I give him XO status

[Jackster94]

@earth sparto.

He also got Shepard killed in me2

[SavagelyEpic]

ENorman94 wrote...

It has to be the VS. If not then I don't know. It's not Liara as she's a civilian and a civilian cannot be an XO on a military ship. The only reason she has the XO's office is to put all her crap. Traynor says Liara claimed the OLD XO's office. That means Liara might have just came on the ship and looked at the room and said "mine".

Technically, a civilian cannot even be a crewmember on a military ship. And by that definition of civilian, that means every non-Alliance crewmember that Shepard's ever had with him. Not to mention Liara was on Mars on behalf of the Alliance, so it's unclear as to her legal relationship with the Systems Alliance. It's been established ever since ME1 that the Normandy is in a unique situation. (After all, the SR1 was considered to be a Council Spectre's ship over an Alliance warship)

It might not be Liara, but it's more likely to be Liara than it is to be the VS. An absent WIA crewmember cannot be said to hold a position on any ship or installation's active duty roster. Maybe it's Joker, I don't know, but there's no good reason why the XO wouldn't be one of the non-Alliance crew, considering that the vast majority of the Normandy crew aren't there in an officially designated role but as acting crewmembers. So yes, one of Shepard's specialists could very well be serving as Acting XO, given the circumstances. Far more appropriate than having a medical officer as your XO.

[aj2070]

eltan2481 wrote...

Technically Chakwas is the highest ranking officer as a major, but perhaps medical corps are diff.

Chakwas= Major, Alenko= Major, Williams= Lt. Commander (Major).  Would suspect medical staff would not be in immediate chain of command for combat vessel.  However, to bring another franchise into the mix, ST:TNG did have episodes where I think both Counselor Troy (Lt. Commander I think) and Dr. Crusher (Pretty sure Commander) have been acting commanders of Enterprise.  All that to say military protocol tends to point to Vermire survivor.  Yes you lose them for about half the game but they are there in the beginning and as others have said, they make a bee line to the Normandy when the attack begins.

In Mass Effect, Shepard was the XO untill Anderson stepped down.  Pressley was the next highest ranking officer.  Alenko was a Staff Leutennant (whatever that equates to) and Williams was a Gunnery Chief (an NCO); both way too low to quallify as an executive officer.  As I and someone else said, when the Normandy was rebuilt by Cerberus, it was commissioned as a civilian vessel. 

Modifié par aj2070, 04 juillet 2012 - 12:37 .

[Darth Sparto]

Jackster94 wrote...

@earth sparto.

He also got Shepard killed in me2

of course he did, he was eliminating the competition 

[Wulfram]

Before the VS comes back, I'd say that Garrus is second in command, but that Adams or another allaince officer carries out the XOs administrative duties.

aj2070 wrote...

 Alenko= Major, Williams= Lt. Commander (Major).

In Mass Effect, Lt. Commander is below Major.  Ranks go

Lt Commander
Staff Commander
Major/Captain

[Patchwork]

There wasn't one. Should be but wasn't.

[Jackster94]

@wulfram


The vs wasn't present for half the game, didn't trust Shepard for a considerable part of time and pointed a gun at her

[FAButzke]

Jackster94 wrote...

It's garrus . After tuchunka he oversees CIC while Shepard has a rest . Have people forgottenthat?

The vs wasn't present for half the game, didn't trust Shepard for a considerable part of time and pointed a gun at her

Except that he says this: "I'll make sure Joker does not launch any suicide missions."
Which implies that Joker has the power to launch missions.

Also, Hackett tells Joker to monitor Shepard activities due to stress.

So... All logic points to Joker being the XO.

[Han Shot First]

As much as I like Garrus and Liara, I don't think either of them is the XO. The SR2 in Mass Effect 3 is an Alliance warship, and Garrus and Liara are both alien civilizations. They'd be ineligible.

If there is an XO (likely) it is someone who wears an Alliance uniform. That leaves the VS, or in the VS' absence Adams or Joker (good arguments against both) or some random NPC wandering the ship who is never named in the story.

[Mr.House]

Adams.

[Joryn01]

eltan2481 wrote...

Technically Chakwas is the highest ranking officer as a major, but perhaps medical corps are diff.

Medical Corps are non-combatants and therefore can only be in charge of medical.

[Joryn01]

To play Devil's Advocate to those saying it's an Alliance ship, sometimes during times of joint operations there can be allied personnel put in charge. The events of ME3 are the biggest joint operation ever seen. With that said, Garrus was being called "Sir" by Turian generals on Palaven's moon. Not saying that he was the actual XO, just saying that it may not be entirely out of the realm of possibility.

As far as Dr. Chakwas goes, medical officers are still non-combatants. Non-combatants are not in the chain of command in a warship. If it was a medical ship it would be a different story.

[ABN Tali Fan]

Joryn01 wrote...

To play Devil's Advocate to those saying it's an Alliance ship, sometimes during times of joint operations there can be allied personnel put in charge. The events of ME3 are the biggest joint operation ever seen. With that said, Garrus was being called "Sir" by Turian generals on Palaven's moon. Not saying that he was the actual XO, just saying that it may not be entirely out of the realm of possibility.

As far as Dr. Chakwas goes, medical officers are still non-combatants. Non-combatants are not in the chain of command in a warship. If it was a medical ship it would be a different story.

While in Afghanistan my unit conducted a lot of joint operations with the Italian army. Typically whoever owns the operation ( ussally the one who provides the most assets or directed by higher HQ ) would command the operation. 

So in the case of the Normandy the Alliance provides most of assets and is the higher HQ. Therefore the chain of command would have to follow Alliance rank structure. It does not matter if Ash/Kaiden are not present the whole time as soon as they come aboard they assume the role. (That is a by the book answer) Exceptions can be made in both real life and in the game it all depends on the situation. 

[DeathScepter]

if you can be technial on this. that Both Shepard and Pressly where XO in ME1 but at different times within the game.

[Jackster94]

@ ABN.

Yes but the VS continually distrusts you and points a gun at you. I doubt Shepard would let them be XO, and Shepard wasn't as evidence after the tuchunka mission that garrus is the xo