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[BadExamp1e]

If the VS is on the ship, them.

Shepard got reinstated, but did Joker? I don't think so. Anyway, the XO wouldn't be any of the "aliens" since the Normandy is now considered an Alliance ship, and crew.

[SwitchN7]

So we don't have a bellow ranked XO? How did i miss this..First of all if it's left to us,we need someone with Military training,top ranked and preferably Human/Alliance me thinks.My natural choice is Garrus as well but...Come to think of it who was the XO in 2?

Modifié par SwitchN7, 05 juillet 2012 - 06:34 .

[SwitchN7]

jreezy wrote...

SwitchN7 wrote...

So we don't have a bellow ranked XO? How did i miss this..First of all if it's left to us,we need someone with Military training,top ranked and preferably Human/Alliance me thinks.My natural choice is Garrus as well but...Come to think of it who was the XO in 2?

Miranda

Right,ty.Was scouting wikipedia just now.Seems we get to choose the XO between the highest ranking 2 mofo's Ashely and Kaidan.At least according to wikipedia but only BioChamps can trully answer.It's...ok i guess.

Modifié par SwitchN7, 05 juillet 2012 - 06:40 .

[SavagelyEpic]

Doesn't matter if the Normandy's an Alliance ship. That would only apply to an officially designated XO, and given the circumstances absolutely none of the Normandy crew were ever officially assigned to it. The entire crew is there in an acting capacity. The Acting XO wouldn't need to hold an Alliance commission under these circumstances, so long as they don't try to officially promote themselves to the position. Besides, all of your squadmates can be legally considered 'allied personnel' so they still could assume that position regardless. (Ex: NORAD is commanded by an American officer, but the second in command is always Canadian. Also the US Army III Corps always has a Canadian deputy commander.)

Adams and Chakwas are neither command track officers nor bridge crew and thus cannot assume command of the vessel.

In the team's absence, I'd say Joker would have the ship (He's the only other officer, and he's clearly bridge crew), but when everybody's on board I'm inclined to say one of Shepard's specialists excluding the VS. As I said earlier, someone who is WIA and not present cannot be said to be on the active duty roster.

Most of the evidence available points to Liara, simply because she's in the XO's office, and I doubt someone would be Normandy's Acting XO without residing in those quarters. Even if she isn't, the chain of command very clearly goes from Shepard, to a member of his/her team excluding the VS designated the Acting XO, to Joker. Besides, Hackett mentions Liara was on Mars on behalf of the Alliance- at least two of her outfits bear the Alliance insignia as well. Food for thought. She's also onboard Normandy sooner than any other of your squadmates save for James, and it's kind of established throughout the ME series that your squad outranks your non-combat crew. If James was the Acting XO, he would've taken the room before Liara arrived.

Modifié par SavagelyEpic, 05 juillet 2012 - 07:50 .

[disappearingone11]

I don't think that Liara being in Miranda's former office really means anything other than that she needed the space and took it; the ship's a bit lacking in office space and she's the only one who seems to require it (imagine all the SB stuff strewn about the CIC, mess hall, etc.). Also, that she's working with the Alliance prior to the war doesn't necessarily mean anything because she's conducting research: there's no indication that she holds a military commission of any kind, much less a high ranking one.

But all of that aside, I don't think there is a clear XO, and the role is filled on a case by case basis. When the ship leaves Earth, the crew is a cobbled together mess and doesn't consist of a full complement (Traynor for instance wouldn't even be on the ship under normal circumstances). And considering what's going on, I don't think that either Shepherd or the rest of the crew would care if an alien took charge while Shepherd's away.

[SwitchN7]

Shepard! His/Her name is Shepard! Commander No first name Shepard! )

[disappearingone11]

bhsup wrote...

What the heck does "VS" stand for? Obviously in context I get it refers to Ashley or Kaiden, but what does it actually mean?

Oh, and has anyone considered that Shepard may have installed the Shepard VI to run things while he's away??

Virmire survivor.

[Leonia]

In terms of command experience the only person onboard who has close to as much as Shepard is Garrus (also has more military experience than most on board given Hierarchy rules of service) but I doubt the Alliance is willing to recognise that. But maybe ranks have stopped mattering at this point anyway given that Shepard still hasn't been promoted. The scene depicting who gives the "order" to Joker can be seen with multiple people filling the role so that's hardly telling.

[Arkevilex]

I'd have to say Liara after thinking about it. Despite being non-military..she would be more than capable of being an acting-XO. However, I'm sure her time is mostly used for the Shadow Broker network.
so..I don't know.

[L3TH4LR3M3DY]

Well, if you remember how adamant the game was at pointing out Kaiden/Ashley's rank before you ever set foot on the ship. I believe that either Major Alenko or Lt. Commander Williams is the XO of the ship. This is a military vessel, so it would stand to reason that the next ranked Alliance officer would be the XO of the ship in Shepard's absence. This is just purely speculative and somewhat simple theory. I could be wrong, but I am truly sure that Alenko or Williams has command of the ship in Shepard's absence. What i am confused about is who is the higher Admiral? Hackett or Anderson? Remember Anderson was the Human Counselor. He stepped down from that position and wasn't forced or removed from it. So it would stand to reason that they would make him a higher Admiral than Hackett. It could also stand to reason that both Hackett and Anderson have equal authority. Lastly, Hackett could be the "go-to" Admiral for the fleet, and Anderson the "go-to" Admiral for the Alliance ground forces. That was the most confusing thing for me. Also does being a Counsel Spectre make Shepard and equal to the Admirals...look carefully as Shepard only salutes either Anderson or Hackett out of respect and not out of Alliance Regs.

[Leonia]

The VS is an optional squad-mate though but then again, so are Garrus and Tali depending on your import. The war has really tossed conventional chains of command out the window which is a bit of an irony given that it should be more clear during war time.

[FAButzke]

Joryn01 wrote...

FAButzke wrote...

AlphaDormante wrote...

Plus, Garrus already showed signs of taking charge. When Shepard goes to rest after Tuchanka, s/he tells him to wake him/her up if there's trouble. He also promises to arrange plans while Shep is asleep. Sounds like an exchange with an XO to me.

tl;dr: Garrus for me, yo.

I've post it before but perhaps it went unnoticed:

"Except that he (Garrus) says this: "I'll make sure Joker does not launch any suicide missions."
Which implies that Joker has the power to launch missions.

Also, Hackett tells Joker to monitor Shepard activities due to stress.

So... All logic points to Joker being the XO."

So, unless some of you can contest (with logic) what I've just said above, Joker IS the XO.
Or, perhaps, there isn't one. Garrus and Liara are not Alliance. Kaidan/Ashley are not there for most of the game.

What you're saying also implies that Garrus has the authority to stop Joker from launching a mission.

Nops. There is no reason for him to stop Joker if he (Garrus) is the one in command. Replace "Joker" in Garrus phrase for any other personel (Including EDI) and you'll get what I mean. That was the joke part. I'll explain using a hyperbole (assume Joker HAS the bridge in Shepard absence):

You and Joker are buddies.
You and Garrus are buddies.
Garrus and Joker are buddies.
You > Joker > Garrus/Liara/EDI/????
You take a nap. Garrus says to you: "Don't worry, If Joker tries something stupid, I'll kill him."
You know that:
1) Joker won't do something stupid. Because you are buddiess for five years and you trust him.
2) Garrus won't kill Joker. He is just joking about it and see 1).

Now, if Joker do not have the power to launch missions, why would Garrus make that joke in the first place?
It's like a XO talking to a Captain of a Aircraft Carrier:
"You can sleep safely captain, I'll make sure the cook does not sink the ship while you're out. Sweet dreams."
It would be unnecessary and stupid in my opinion to do that.
Now... If the cook (who is my buddy (Garrus in this case) comes to me and say this:
"I'll make sure the XO (Joker) does not sink the ship while you're out. Sweet dreams, captain."
Then I would find it funny, because I know the cook (Garrus) does not have the power to stop the XO (Joker) anyway AND I know that the XO wouldn't sink the ship.

Note that I'm not implying that Garrus is the cook aboard the Normandy or anything like that =P

[Eire Icon]

I would say its Liara - she has after all been working with the Alliance, occupies the old XO office, and is present for most of the game.

**** Mild Spoiler Warning ******

EDIT: She also returns to the ship during a particular mission to ensure everything is being looked after correctly aboard the Normandy

Modifié par Eire Icon, 05 juillet 2012 - 04:00 .

[BadExamp1e]

Liara isn't Alliance.

[disappearingone11]

I think some people are taking the Garrus line that he "won't let Joker launch any suicide missions" a bit too literally. That can just as easily be interpreted as "we won't do anything crazy or make major decisions regarding the war while you're sleeping."

Btw, does anyone know who speaks in his place (and what he or she says) if Garrus happened to have died in ME2? If his words have any real bearing on the ship's chain of command structure, then this contingency should be taken into account.

Modifié par disappearingone11, 05 juillet 2012 - 08:28 .

[Trentest0]

"Admiral Anderson planned to use the Normandy as his mobile command centre" - Traynor.

Shepard was only reinstated because he bothered Anderson about it right before he left. It was a last minute thing, with Anderson not being able to command, and Shepard would have been the XO like he used to be for Anderson. Couple that with the state of the war and the Normandy, and I think the answer is that there either:

1. Is no official XO due to the circumstances.

2. Ashley/Kaiden is the de-facto XO.

[Lexxbomb]

Im guessing the real XO posted to the Normandy never made it on baord when Earth got attacked as Anderson made it on baord but some of the crew didn't make it on board  - and it was meant to be his flagship so the Normandy's official XO is probably on Earth.

Modifié par Lexxbomb, 07 juillet 2012 - 03:30 .

[KBronx17]

Not really sure who it is...just wanted to add my two cents that if Joker is the XO...

"Logged: The Commanding Officer is ashore. XO Moreau has the deck..."

Everyone on the Normandy: "Oh God...."

Modifié par KBronx17, 07 juillet 2012 - 03:42 .

[MerchantGOL]

Garrus is most likley XO the VS never has a scene were they take charge, and garrus has admirals saluting him

[nos_astra]

MerchantGOL wrote...
Garrus is most likley XO the VS never has a scene were they take charge, and garrus has admirals saluting him

Garrus sole purpose in the story is to be Shepard's badass witty sidekick. As a fan favorite he is given more screentime. His backstory is basically one of failure, but don't worry ... Bioware almost trip over themselves to make him more than that in ME3, where his role as Shepard's bro and the small role as a potential leader of the fire team somehow has endeared him to the turian military enough to make him now a valuable asset and totally leadership material (that is subsequently wasted on the Normandy). Rumor has it that Liara is Mac Walter's waifu and Garrus is Mac Walter's bro.

The VS are not fan favorites and sidelined for ME2 and a good part of ME3. They're higher ranking officers in the Alliance military and somehow become Spectres, but this only serves to highlight that they are incompetent idiots who can't tie their shoes.

As far as I know the job as the Normandy's CO should be commanding the ship, not leading all the ground missions.
The XO's job would be to command the ship in the CO's absence. Not happening if your favorite character, the one you deem worthy of that title because you like them so much, is going on missions with you:

I like Liara best, she's my LI/my best friend and XO. She's also totally badass. I take her on every mission.
I like Garrus best, he's my LI/my bro and my XO. he's also totally badass. I take him with me on every mission.

Bioware doesn't even bother to have some semblance of command structure on the Normandy SR-2 in ME3, do they?
The chain of command is solely determined by likeablity and LBA (Level of Badass). That should be enough.

Modifié par klarabella, 07 juillet 2012 - 09:49 .

[Zaxares]

I'm inclined to think that it's Joker. Prior to the VS coming back on board the Normandy, he is the highest ranking Alliance officer aboard after Shepard. If not Joker, then it's Engineer Adams. However, his position as Chief Engineer means it's also extremely unlikely that he would hold both that role and the XO.

It can't be Traynor, since she's actually a civilian contractor working with the Alliance.

[Sarah_SR2]

It would need to be someone with some starship command, tactical and combat experience. Joker has none of these as he's only a pilot, albeit the best one in the fleet. If the VS is onboard then they'd have to assume the role of the XO because of their Alliance rank, spectre status and combat experience. If the VS isn't onboard then maybe it could be Vega. He's Alliance and has stated that he'd like his own command one day. He also assumed temporary command of a squad that took out a collector ship and gained a promotion for the job he did there in next to impossible circumstances and despite losing most of the squad and the colonists. He is also a candidate for the N7 program which isn't handed out to just anyone.