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[RadicalDisconnect]

"Brainwashing" also doesn't show up for Control. People seemed to accept the Reaper's help just fine...

[BatmanPWNS]

MisterJB wrote...

v TricKy v wrote...

So how do people forgive the Reapers who just slaughtered their familys?
People are brainwashed
Bioware has horrible writing
Pick one

Destroy doesn't show resentment against the salarians for not participating in the war.
Should we assume people were brainwashed or that Bioware simply wanted to leave bleakness out of all the endings after the outrage over the original ones?

What the hell does Salarians have to do with any of this?

[Forbry]

Yes... well... apparently, it brainwashes the ones that are against it!

Modifié par Forbry, 03 juillet 2012 - 09:33 .

[agu123]

The closest thing we have to "brainwashing" is this.

Synthetics will finally have full understanding of organics.

The ones that actually experience a change in their mind are the synthetics and arguably the Reapers. Organics change physically.

Modifié par agu123, 03 juillet 2012 - 09:34 .

[RadicalDisconnect]

Grimwick wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Grimwick wrote...

brainwashing is the only valid method of making synthesis work - otherwise it is even more nonsense piled on nonsense.

Not true.

Justified through space magic?

They also look brainwashed to me, they don't have any different opinions.

"Look brainwashed" is invalid because the slideshow for Synthesis is almost identical to those of Control and Destroy, and in the former, the Reapers are also around.

[Lone Triarii]

Well maybe not brainwashed but I assumed it altered peoples perceptions in some way, because they don’t immediately go WTF! and start freaking out. Which I’m sure would be the expected reaction.

[Grimwick]

agu123 wrote...

The closest thing we have to "brainwashing" is this.

"Synthetics will finally have full understanding of organics."

The ones that actually experience a change in their mind are the synthetics and arguably the Reapers. Organics change physically.

If organics don't change mentally then synthesis doesn't solve anything.

[Grimwick]

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

Grimwick wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Grimwick wrote...

brainwashing is the only valid method of making synthesis work - otherwise it is even more nonsense piled on nonsense.

Not true.

Justified through space magic?

They also look brainwashed to me, they don't have any different opinions.

"Look brainwashed" is invalid because the slideshow for Synthesis is almost identical to those of Control and Destroy, and in the former, the Reapers are also around.

Yeah, but in Control and destroy there is an obvious logical and evidential reason as to why it worked as a solution to make peace.

In synthesis there isn't, therefore in the quest to find this hidden logical explanation we reach the next best thing. Brainwashing.

[RadicalDisconnect]

Lone Triarii wrote...

Well maybe not brainwashed but I assumed it altered peoples perceptions in some way, because they don’t immediately go WTF! and start freaking out. Which I’m sure would be the expected reaction.

Unlike in Destroy and Control where soldiers were cheering, Synthesis shows soldiers looking at themselves and at each other in surprise.

[MisterJB]

BatmanPWNS wrote...
What the hell does Salarians have to do with any of this?

People are using a lack of conflict in Synthesis as "proof" that everyone has been brainwashed.
However, Destroy also doesn't show any conflict. Were they brainwashed as well?

Modifié par MisterJB, 03 juillet 2012 - 09:37 .

[Octopus_DK]

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

"Brainwashing" also doesn't show up for Control. People seemed to accept the Reaper's help just fine...

Well I sure would not refuse the "help" of a 2km high robot with a giant laser... I didn't mind that ending so much, to me it has a nice undertone of dictatorship to come. Kind of dark.

[Aliqaiser]

Destroy was my only option, Control was something unique and peace was a guarantee, however Sythesis from my aspect was something where the stakes of things geting worse was high and that was something I didn't want after 3 games of constant focus in clearing the Reaper threat, once and for all.

[Hackulator]

Grimwick wrote...

Justified through space magic?

They also look brainwashed to me, they don't have any different opinions.

Look, I try to keep my comments polite, but you are literally making random crap up to support your opinion. Where does it say that nobody has differing opinoons any more? Or is it your contention that it is impossible to have differing opinions without going to war over it? Do you realize how stupid you sound when you make comments like this?

[RadicalDisconnect]

MisterJB wrote...

BatmanPWNS wrote...
What the hell does Salarians have to do with any of this?

People are using a lack of conflict in Synthesis as "proof" that everyone has been brainwashed.
However, Destroy also doesn't show any conflict. Were they brainwashed as well?

Playing the devil's advocate, the Krogan does get wiped out if Wreav is in charge and the genophage is cured in Destory. Haven't seen what it's like in the other endings though.

Modifié par RadicalDisconnect, 03 juillet 2012 - 09:39 .

[Grimwick]

MisterJB wrote...

BatmanPWNS wrote...
What the hell does Salarians have to do with any of this?

People are using a lack of conflict in Synthesis as "proof" that everyone has been brainwashed.
However, Destroy also doesn't show any conflict. Were they brainwashed as well?

There aren't any synthetics left to fight...

[agu123]

Grimwick wrote...

agu123 wrote...

The closest thing we have to "brainwashing" is this.

"Synthetics will finally have full understanding of organics."

The ones that actually experience a change in their mind are the synthetics and arguably the Reapers. Organics change physically.

If organics don't change mentally then synthesis doesn't solve anything.

It's not a definitive solution to the Catalyst's problem, I agree.

[The Heretic of Time]

Grimwick wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Grimwick wrote...

brainwashing is the only valid method of making synthesis work - otherwise it is even more nonsense piled on nonsense.

Not true.

Justified through space magic?

They also look brainwashed to me, they don't have any different opinions.

Are you talking about the Deus Ex 2 synthesis ending?

They look brainwashed to you, but they aren't. Each human still has his own mind and opinions in synthesis. It's just that now everyone is linked together in one giant transhuman connection, allowing everyone to perfectly understand everyone else. Your needs become the needs of many. Your wishes become understandable to everyone. Your opinions and desires will be heard and understood by everyone. A perfect democracy is possible, because decisions will be made through consensus, similar to how the geth work.

[Welsh Inferno]

It does not. But don't let your irrational hatred of something fictional get in the way of facts!

[Grimwick]

Hackulator wrote...

Grimwick wrote...

Justified through space magic?

They also look brainwashed to me, they don't have any different opinions.

Look, I try to keep my comments polite, but you are literally making random crap up to support your opinion. Where does it say that nobody has differing opinoons any more? Or is it your contention that it is impossible to have differing opinions without going to war over it? Do you realize how stupid you sound when you make comments like this?

Rofl. They create a 'consensus'. If you've studied politics to any small degree you'd realise that such a feat is impossible once, let alone consistently and permanently. Basic human psychological principles are in complete contrast to the idea of this 'mass cooperation'. Game theory also predicts the exact opposite and is based on the idea that everyone is perfectly rational.

It wouldn't be so hard to believe if it wasn't instantaneous. Synthesis makes no logical sense as a solution and so I'm simply trying to speculate upon the pieces we have.

So far any other explanation has been equally speculative or more absurd.

[MisterJB]

Grimwick wrote...
There aren't any synthetics left to fight...

Because organics can only fight synthetics?
There should political fallout over the salarian's inaction and the asari's deception.
Just it because it is not shown, it doesn't mean it didn't happen. Just like because we are not shown resentment against the Reapers, that doesn't mean it didn't exist.

[savionen]

Short answer: Yes.

Long answer: Also yes.

[Jamie9]

Grimwick wrote...

Rofl. They create a 'consensus'. If you've studied politics to any small degree you'd realise that such a feat is impossible once, let alone consistently and permanently. Basic human psychological principles are in complete contrast to the idea of this 'mass cooperation'. Game theory also predicts the exact opposite and is based on the idea that everyone is perfectly rational.

It wouldn't be so hard to believe if it wasn't instantaneous. Synthesis makes no logical sense as a solution and so I'm simply trying to speculate upon the pieces we have.

So far any other explanation has been equally speculative or more absurd.

Stop trying to apply real life theories to synthesis. It doesn't work. Do you know why?

Because synthesis is impossible in reality.

[Lone Triarii]

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

Lone Triarii wrote...

Well maybe not brainwashed but I assumed it altered peoples perceptions in some way, because they don’t immediately go WTF! and start freaking out. Which I’m sure would be the expected reaction.

Unlike in Destroy and Control where soldiers were cheering, Synthesis shows soldiers looking at themselves and at each other in surprise.

But I would expect: OMGWTF happened!!!? Why am I glowing. THAT’S NOT NORMAL!

As opposed to: huh, guess I’m green now *shrug*.

Modifié par Lone Triarii, 03 juillet 2012 - 09:44 .

[The Heretic of Time]

Grimwick wrote...

Rofl. They create a 'consensus'. If you've studied politics to any small degree you'd realise that such a feat is impossible once, let alone consistently and permanently. Basic human psychological principles are in complete contrast to the idea of this 'mass cooperation'. Game theory also predicts the exact opposite and is based on the idea that everyone is perfectly rational.

It wouldn't be so hard to believe if it wasn't instantaneous. Synthesis makes no logical sense as a solution and so I'm simply trying to speculate upon the pieces we have.

So far any other explanation has been equally speculative or more absurd.

JC Denton explains it best.

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 03 juillet 2012 - 09:46 .

[Baronesa]

Yes, it is a distinct possibility.

During the cinematic, soldiers are shown fighting Reaper forces, once the green space magic happens they simply stop fighting. How did they knew the Reapers were no longer a threat? Just becoming part synthetic is not enough to make peace, unless something is changed on the perceptions they have