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[PaperAlien]

Geth is no problem for my kroguard. Cheap instakills can be.
But I do agree for other classes.

[Wolf_Mar09]

I wouldn't say cheap, I play a Drell adapt, a biotic. Against Reapers, I own, Cerberus, I pull my weight and some, but on Geth, I can only pull my weight, and at times it's hard. Why? Well because types match up differently with enemies. Having a class that has Chain Overload, Sabotage, Energy Drain, and basically any tech powers, your going to range from owning to doing well against them. It just depends on powers.

[otakon17]

I have had situation where a Geth Rocket Trooper has shot a missile at me and it turned NINETY DEGREES to hit me. I've been consecutively sniped from across the absolute LARGEST of the maps by encroaching Primes and have seen them toss Turrets through SOLID WALLS. Hunters have shot me after I have stunned them and EVEN IN DEATH. Troopers have that damn melee that is just overpowered(while the Player Geth basic melee is damn near worthless). And Pyro's have a range FAR GODDAMN GREATER THAN THEY SHOULD HAVE THE GODDAMN RIGHT TO.

Geth are cheap, Phantoms are cheap, Banshee's are cheap. Besides that, it's fairly balanced.

[JaimasOfRaxis]

People complained about geth farming, but it was due to the fact that Firebase White was a crappy map, not due to deficiencies on the Geth's part. If that response is factual, it's based on one of the most facetious arguments that's graced this forum, which is saying something.

[PrebuiltTub]

if they just limited a prime to shooting a 2 shot burst i think itd be perfect. 1 prime alone cant stagger lock you to death

[1337haxwtg]

 So much truth in the OP. I'd have you check out my thread that pretty much explained this a month ago, along with other tidbits for other factions, assuming you are interested.

I simply hate playing the Geth.

[Snakeownss]

1337haxwtg wrote...

 So much truth in the OP. I'd have you check out my thread that pretty much explained this a month ago, along with other tidbits for other factions, assuming you are interested.

I simply hate playing the Geth.

Yep, constructive thread too

/bump for justice! 

[Badpanzer]

+1

Geth cheat...I was once shot down by a hunter that was frozen solid and falling sideways...oh and stunlock=troll.

[Tal_Elmar]

great thread here!
I NEVER ever play agianst Geth, except when I'm unfortunate enough to get them in random

Why not introduce smth new to the Geth? Why not give us Geth Hoppers, those were great enemies back at the time of ME1. You already have a model, BW, why not do this? Geth in their first edition were easy and laughable, now they are cheap, frustrating and unfair.

[ErrorTagUnknown]

thinking that magnetism is caused by something other than f***ing miracles.

nobody else caught this in the post a while back. you sir - are my hero

[AmicusHumaniGeneris]

I usually find myself on the winning side when Geth turns up in randoms, but even winning doesn't seem a lot of fun, just a chore. No matter if I have the right setup for it, it's annoying. Reapers on the other hand generally feels like a nice challenge, and even when turned into paste and wiping 2 seconds from getting that last objective and cashing in those 30k credits, the team can have a laugh about it because something really wild, but not unfair, happened. Cerberus may feel more easy, but the occasional wiping there is usually also because of some freak thing going on; usually fun. The only thing not fun with Cerberus, is getting swarms or lines of phantoms coming at you when dragging the pizza. That feals cheap. There have becom ever more of those, since they're the only scary thing in Cerberus, and I wouldn't be surprised if even more phantoms are part of the "buffing"... Enough of that. Losing against Geth is not fun. It's more like why? That shouldn't have happened! FFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUU......

Fix the Geth. Nerf and unbug them so they feel a fair match, then add some new unit, change some abilities or just add more of the troopers who seem totally absent in later stages. Troopers are an easy match, but they can stomp you to death. Whatever it takes to have them as challenging as Reapers, yet in a fun way.

BW has tons of experience with DnD-games. Use that experience. Be a good DM, not a bad one.

[Poison_Berrie]

But isn't their cheap tricks the thing that makes them difficult?

I agree that I don't like their cheap tricks and how they are bugged, but that still means they are difficult.

[Knubbsal]

Agreed, geth are cheaters. The hunters, rocket troopers and turrets are the worst.

Poison_Berrie wrote...

But isn't their cheap tricks the thing that makes them difficult?

I agree that I don't like their cheap tricks and how they are bugged, but that still means they are difficult.

Of course it's hard to win against cheaters. The point is that it's not any fun playing against enemies that don't obey the rules of the game. 

Modifié par Knubbsal, 04 juillet 2012 - 10:04 .

[Keffie909]

I used to play alot of geth, no not the fbwgg way. But because i enjoyed them as a enemy. But all the new modifications made me stop playing them at all. Now its mainly cerberus and some reapers.

Modifié par Keffie909, 04 juillet 2012 - 10:28 .

[kevchy]

YES.

I've been killed by staggered Hunters and Rocket Troopers more times than I could bother to count. The entire faction is cheap.

[Kuato Livezz]

My only issue with Geth is the massive stunlock...esp when I play Batarian.

[Clayless]

This is true, the Geth are technically cheaters as they don't obey the rules of the game.

Sure they have a lot of cheap stunlock but at least make it so that they can't shoot when they're not supposed to, or kill you with fire that's not even touching you.

[sareth_65536]

Snakeownss wrote...

Eric Fagnan's post about the weekly changes and Geth and Reapers being neck to neck in difficulty has left the worried since they don't seem to understand that the problem with Geth is the CHEAPNESS and FRUSTRATION.

Look, I usually play in PUGs and yes, Reapers can be extremely diffficult if you have a few subpar players in your team. Even though without an organized team I probably only extract against Reapers about 50% of the time, I actually LIKE playing against them.

If a Banshee stabs me in the chest I know it's usually my fault and I should have stayed further away (excepting magnetic grabs ofc), if I get swarmed by a bunch of Brutes I know it's because our DPS wasn't enough, if I get sniped by a Ravager it's because I didn't get cover soon enough.

I may die quite a lot when fighting them, but it never feels cheap or really frustrating, and my skill is actally important in beating them. Thus, they Reapers are enjoyable.

The Geth on the other hand are composed of what we call "fake difficulty", which pretty much negates the player's skill and employs extremely frustrating tactics like frozen Hunters shooting at you, barrages of 3 missiles to the face, massive stunlock from every source, retardedly powerful Turrets which you can't even see sometimes... it just doesn't feel "fair" compared to the other factions, and that is why almost everybody hates playing Geth.

Being a videogame, FUN is the most important thing, and right now, Geth are simply NOT fun.

Just my 2c

almost everything is wrong or irrelevant to balance changes.

multiple missiles can't be fixed in balance changes.
turrets behind you can't be fixed in balance changes.
hunters ignoring stagger? latency related -> can't be fixed
stunlock? what's it?

[SGsunny]

Geth Rocket Troopers remind me of Nemesis - takes down shields really fast and keeps dodging shots/powers

[Igipopp]

The Waffle Cat wrote...

Achire wrote...

Geth belong to the "Pinnacle Station" school of game design.

Dont remind me of pinnacle station.

Man that map sucked major balls.... 

[Ubergrog]

LEAVE Fagnan ALONE! LEAVE HIM ALONE!

In all seriousness..

I found his argument lacking in actual substance. When four phantoms spawn in wave 9, and 5 in wave 10, he needs a serious reality check. Yes, I officially doubt he plays the game at this point.

Here is what I expect:
Phantoms have twice the health, are invincible (more so then normal I mean), and are stagger proof.
Nemesis no longer have to aim to shoot you, and have cover-penetrating shots)
Centurions fire exploding rounds with the force of grenades
Engineers now place six turrets down, all of which are immune to sabotage
Assault Troopers now throw six grenades at once
The Atlas magnet sync kills from across the map.

[KrazyMF]

Achire wrote...

Geth belong to the "Pinnacle Station" school of game design.

+1 to you.
+10 to OP.

-1 million to Geth.

Seriously, are NOT hard. They are cheap and frustrating. Any data they pull from matches is going to also be skewed by FBWGG farms. Because to be honest that's pretty much the ONLY map that actively works against the Geth and makes Geth a breeze. Outside of that map Geth become a NIGHTMARE of FRUSTRATION.

I can NOT stand playing against Geth (Gold). I would rather run Reapers all day everyday with a level one Krogan with his other point spent in racial passives.

[Karstedt]

+1