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[eye basher]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

carrmatt91 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

KingNothing125 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Your not living free, you just commited genocide, a great war crime to win a war. 
Commiting Genocide to stop genocide is wrong.

I'm not committing genocide. There are no Geth civilians. All the Geth are participating in this galactic war. In war, you have to make sacrifices. You order people to their deaths. You charge a line or you defend a hill, knowing you will lose soldiers under your command.

The Crucible killing the Geth is unfortunate collateral damage.



And freakin' seriously, people, enough with the quote pyramids. It's enough to make me never want to come back to this thread.

Your willingly shooting a red tube knowing it will wipe out all geth, its genocide, don't try to justify it, just like i admit my choice ends up with us lossing, you must admit your choice is genocide.

NO you had your chance to save everyone, you willingly sat there with that big red destroy/control/synthesis button in front of you and thought, no im so self righteous im going to willingly condemn everyone in the galaxy to complete annihilation based on my principles, sure YOU died free but you dragged everyone else kicking and screaming along with you . how is that not genocide?

Read this quote from an article.
By refusing to use the Crucible, Shepard is taking a moral stance – saying that she is willing to play the long game, if that’s what it takes to defeat the Reapers. She is not prepared to write off an entire sentient race as an acceptable cost. She is, in that sense, refusing to think like a Reaper – with their genocidal utilitarianism – or to accept the Reapers’ tools as the only way to deal with them.Without Liara T’Soni’s knowledge, making that choice would be insane. Without Liara T’Soni’s perspective, Shepard would not be able to consider it. But she has both. So, the rejection ending is the ending where Shepard stays true to her principles, refuses to compromise and places her trust in her current cycle not to want victory at any cost, and the cycles to come to defeat the Reapers without having to compromise. It’s a difficult ending, and certainly a bittersweet one – in all probability, none of the characters we have met over the three games will get to live to a ripe old age surrounded by $alienskintone babies. But it is still a heroic ending – and, thanks to the real hero of Mass Effect, still a hopeful one.

If you were the kind of general we've had in WW2 we would've lost it before we even started fighting in it if you don't have the guts to do what need to be done i wouldn't put you in charge of anything not even latrine duty.

[Ryzaki]

babachewie wrote...
 If you dont blow up that relay the Reapers will show up sooner than expected surprising everyone and with no preparation time the Galaxy would lose worst and sooner than expected. Dumb to think the events in Arrival werent necessary and if you think not downloading it and having Hackett sned a team instead of you to clear your conscience then you're a coward and might as well step aside and let people with balls step in and handle the big decisions.

wut? 

Shep HAS to blow up the relay if he/she does Arrival. There is no choice. (Hell that's why I only played the DLC once. There's no damn choice. It's BORING. And no this isn't about the relay. I hate Batarians. I don't care about blowing them the hell up. The DLC was just BORING. That's the worse offense a game can do. You can be stupid, you can be ridculous, but you should never have a game be BORING.) Paragon Shep, Renegade Shep doesn't matter.

As for having Hackett do it instead well hell my Shep has more important things to do at the moment. Like deal with the Collectors. He had no way of knowing about the Relay until he started Arrival.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 04 juillet 2012 - 01:33 .

[SMichelle]

Rojahar wrote...

Refusal is the right ending because then the Reapers win and the cycle continues. You organics are just too dumb to comprehend. Salvation through destruction, blah blah blah.

Also, my Shepard's natural reaction to anything that looks like a child is to shoot it.

And being a Reaper is cool.  You get a cool laser beam, you get to see new places.  Extinguish entire races.  The next game I'm going to try Refuse.

Maybe BioWare will release a DLC with you as a Reaper.  It could open with Commander Shepard and her LI being turned into goo together (soo romantic ) then you can fly around the galaxy slowly wiping out all life.

Sadly, it appears the next cycle uses the Crucible, so the adventure would end there. 

Modifié par SMichelle, 04 juillet 2012 - 01:35 .

[Khajiit Jzargo]

babachewie wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

SMichelle wrote...

If OP can say that Arrival never happened - then I say that the Reapers are all a dream.

Problem solved. 

/thread.

Huh? 

Did he say Arrival never happened or that Shepard didn't have to do Arrival? 

Because the latter is actually in the game (and you lose some warassets because of it).

I said Shepard didn't have anything to do with arrival if you don't download it, I don't know where she got something otherwise.

If you dont blow up that relay the Reapers will show up sooner than expected surprising everyone and with no preparation time the Galaxy would lose worst and sooner than expected. Dumb to think the events in Arrival werent necessary and if you think not downloading it and having Hackett sned a team instead of you to clear your conscience then you're a coward and might as well step aside and let people with balls step in and handle the big decisions.

Your obviously are to paranoid to be arguing and who doesn't understand anything, I didn't download the DLC because I didn't feel like wasting my money, and you 300,000 batarians, not 1.5 billion geth.

[Khajiit Jzargo]

SMichelle wrote...

Rojahar wrote...

Refusal is the right ending because then the Reapers win and the cycle continues. You organics are just too dumb to comprehend. Salvation through destruction, blah blah blah.

Also, my Shepard's natural reaction to anything that looks like a child is to shoot it.

And being a Reaper is cool.  You get a cool laser beam, you get to see new places.  Extinguish entire races.  The next game I going to try refuse.

Maybe BioWare will release a DLC with you as a Reaper.  It could open with Commander Shepard and her LI being turned into goo together (soo romantic ) then you can fly around the galaxy slowly wiping out all life.

Sadly, it appears the next cycle uses the Crucible, so the adventure would end there. 

I think hes being sarcastic.....

[ATLAS1192]

SMichelle wrote...

Rojahar wrote...

Refusal is the right ending because then the Reapers win and the cycle continues. You organics are just too dumb to comprehend. Salvation through destruction, blah blah blah.

Also, my Shepard's natural reaction to anything that looks like a child is to shoot it.

And being a Reaper is cool.  You get a cool laser beam, you get to see new places.  Extinguish entire races.  The next game I going to try refuse.

Maybe BioWare will release a DLC with you as a Reaper.  It could open with Commander Shepard and her LI being turned into goo together (soo romantic ) then you can fly around the galaxy slowly wiping out all life.

Sadly, it appears the next cycle uses the Crucible, so the adventure would end there. 

But we'd remember it forever.

[Khajiit Jzargo]

eye basher wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

carrmatt91 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

KingNothing125 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Your not living free, you just commited genocide, a great war crime to win a war. 
Commiting Genocide to stop genocide is wrong.

I'm not committing genocide. There are no Geth civilians. All the Geth are participating in this galactic war. In war, you have to make sacrifices. You order people to their deaths. You charge a line or you defend a hill, knowing you will lose soldiers under your command.

The Crucible killing the Geth is unfortunate collateral damage.



And freakin' seriously, people, enough with the quote pyramids. It's enough to make me never want to come back to this thread.

Your willingly shooting a red tube knowing it will wipe out all geth, its genocide, don't try to justify it, just like i admit my choice ends up with us lossing, you must admit your choice is genocide.

NO you had your chance to save everyone, you willingly sat there with that big red destroy/control/synthesis button in front of you and thought, no im so self righteous im going to willingly condemn everyone in the galaxy to complete annihilation based on my principles, sure YOU died free but you dragged everyone else kicking and screaming along with you . how is that not genocide?

Read this quote from an article.
By refusing to use the Crucible, Shepard is taking a moral stance – saying that she is willing to play the long game, if that’s what it takes to defeat the Reapers. She is not prepared to write off an entire sentient race as an acceptable cost. She is, in that sense, refusing to think like a Reaper – with their genocidal utilitarianism – or to accept the Reapers’ tools as the only way to deal with them.Without Liara T’Soni’s knowledge, making that choice would be insane. Without Liara T’Soni’s perspective, Shepard would not be able to consider it. But she has both. So, the rejection ending is the ending where Shepard stays true to her principles, refuses to compromise and places her trust in her current cycle not to want victory at any cost, and the cycles to come to defeat the Reapers without having to compromise. It’s a difficult ending, and certainly a bittersweet one – in all probability, none of the characters we have met over the three games will get to live to a ripe old age surrounded by $alienskintone babies. But it is still a heroic ending – and, thanks to the real hero of Mass Effect, still a hopeful one.

If you were the kind of general we've had in WW2 we would've lost it before we even started fighting in it if you don't have the guts to do what need to be done i wouldn't put you in charge of anything not even latrine duty.

America didn't commit genocide in WW2. No one ever has.

[babachewie]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

babachewie wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

SMichelle wrote...

If OP can say that Arrival never happened - then I say that the Reapers are all a dream.

Problem solved. 

/thread.

Huh? 

Did he say Arrival never happened or that Shepard didn't have to do Arrival? 

Because the latter is actually in the game (and you lose some warassets because of it).

I said Shepard didn't have anything to do with arrival if you don't download it, I don't know where she got something otherwise.

If you dont blow up that relay the Reapers will show up sooner than expected surprising everyone and with no preparation time the Galaxy would lose worst and sooner than expected. Dumb to think the events in Arrival werent necessary and if you think not downloading it and having Hackett sned a team instead of you to clear your conscience then you're a coward and might as well step aside and let people with balls step in and handle the big decisions.

Your obviously are to paranoid to be arguing and who doesn't understand anything, I didn't download the DLC because I didn't feel like wasting my money, and you 300,000 batarians, not 1.5 billion geth.

numbers dont matter when it comes ot the greater good. You cant spend 7 bucks? What are you poor? 

Modifié par babachewie, 04 juillet 2012 - 01:38 .

[Ryzaki]

Are we seriously going to the level of insulting people who didn't want to waste money on a linear as hell DLC?

REALLY?

[Fauxnormal]

babachewie wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

babachewie wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

SMichelle wrote...

If OP can say that Arrival never happened - then I say that the Reapers are all a dream.

Problem solved. 

/thread.

Huh? 

Did he say Arrival never happened or that Shepard didn't have to do Arrival? 

Because the latter is actually in the game (and you lose some warassets because of it).

I said Shepard didn't have anything to do with arrival if you don't download it, I don't know where she got something otherwise.

If you dont blow up that relay the Reapers will show up sooner than expected surprising everyone and with no preparation time the Galaxy would lose worst and sooner than expected. Dumb to think the events in Arrival werent necessary and if you think not downloading it and having Hackett sned a team instead of you to clear your conscience then you're a coward and might as well step aside and let people with balls step in and handle the big decisions.

Your obviously are to paranoid to be arguing and who doesn't understand anything, I didn't download the DLC because I didn't feel like wasting my money, and you 300,000 batarians, not 1.5 billion geth.

numbers dont matter when it comes ot the greater good. You cant spend 7 bucks? What are you poor? 

The ignorance in that last line  makes me want to shoot myself in the foot.

[Khajiit Jzargo]

babachewie wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

babachewie wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

SMichelle wrote...

If OP can say that Arrival never happened - then I say that the Reapers are all a dream.

Problem solved. 

/thread.

Huh? 

Did he say Arrival never happened or that Shepard didn't have to do Arrival? 

Because the latter is actually in the game (and you lose some warassets because of it).

I said Shepard didn't have anything to do with arrival if you don't download it, I don't know where she got something otherwise.

If you dont blow up that relay the Reapers will show up sooner than expected surprising everyone and with no preparation time the Galaxy would lose worst and sooner than expected. Dumb to think the events in Arrival werent necessary and if you think not downloading it and having Hackett sned a team instead of you to clear your conscience then you're a coward and might as well step aside and let people with balls step in and handle the big decisions.

Your obviously are to paranoid to be arguing and who doesn't understand anything, I didn't download the DLC because I didn't feel like wasting my money, and you 300,000 batarians, not 1.5 billion geth.

numbers dont matter when it comes ot the greater good. You cant spend 7 bucks? What are you poor? 

What??????
I admit your stupidity made me lol, I didn't buy it because It didn't interest me, and with what you just wrote makes you seem to young to be typing in a computer.

[carrmatt91]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
America didn't commit genocide in WW2. No one ever has.

the rwandans did...

Modifié par carrmatt91, 04 juillet 2012 - 01:41 .

[Khajiit Jzargo]

carrmatt91 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
America didn't commit genocide in WW2. No one ever has.

the rwandans did...

Your right, but do you think it was right?

[Ryzaki]

carrmatt91 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
America didn't commit genocide in WW2. No one ever has.

the rwandans did...

...that was during WW2?  Jeez I really need to restudy history.

Honestly though genocide happens. I do wish people would stop Godwining the damn thread.

If you can point me to ANY instance of genocide that occured to save everyone else's lives I'd love to see it. Until then can we please drop the comparisons? 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 04 juillet 2012 - 01:46 .

[babachewie]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

babachewie wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

babachewie wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

SMichelle wrote...

If OP can say that Arrival never happened - then I say that the Reapers are all a dream.

Problem solved. 

/thread.

Huh? 

Did he say Arrival never happened or that Shepard didn't have to do Arrival? 

Because the latter is actually in the game (and you lose some warassets because of it).

I said Shepard didn't have anything to do with arrival if you don't download it, I don't know where she got something otherwise.

If you dont blow up that relay the Reapers will show up sooner than expected surprising everyone and with no preparation time the Galaxy would lose worst and sooner than expected. Dumb to think the events in Arrival werent necessary and if you think not downloading it and having Hackett sned a team instead of you to clear your conscience then you're a coward and might as well step aside and let people with balls step in and handle the big decisions.

Your obviously are to paranoid to be arguing and who doesn't understand anything, I didn't download the DLC because I didn't feel like wasting my money, and you 300,000 batarians, not 1.5 billion geth.

numbers dont matter when it comes ot the greater good. You cant spend 7 bucks? What are you poor? 

What??????
I admit your stupidity made me lol, I didn't buy it because It didn't interest me, and with what you just wrote makes you seem to young to be typing in a computer.

Really im stupid. says the guy killing the whole galaxy for probbaly the dumbest reasons you can imagine

[SMichelle]

carrmatt91 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
America didn't commit genocide in WW2. No one ever has.

the rwandans did...

And l hate to admit it (being from America and all) but our government did try for a time - remember the Native Americans?

[Master_Smurf]

Genocide doesn't mean killing to the last one - that would only be the theoretical or empirical (if that is the right terminology) definition.

[carrmatt91]

Ryzaki wrote...

carrmatt91 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
America didn't commit genocide in WW2. No one ever has.

the rwandans did...

...that was during WW2?  Jeez I really need to restudy history.

i assumed when he said "no one ever has" that he meant ever, in history.

[Ryzaki]

SMichelle wrote...

carrmatt91 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
America didn't commit genocide in WW2. No one ever has.

the rwandans did...

And l hate to admit it (being from America and all) but our government did try for a time - remember the Native Americans?

Among many others. It's not as rare as I wish it was.

@carrmatt91 : Yeah I just saw that bit. I'm not a history major. At all. I fail history. Hard.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 04 juillet 2012 - 01:48 .

[v TricKy v]

Im eager to see if this thread will reach 40 pages like the synthesis one.
Come on people I know you can do it:happy:

Modifié par v TricKy v, 04 juillet 2012 - 01:48 .

[xeNNN]

actually tbh after experiencing the extended cut of synthesis i actually thought, even though nobody wanted to co-exist with the reapers let alone anyone else, isn't it better this way.. you don't commit mass genocide, you don't all die, you don't kill all the geth & you don't control the reapers like Cerberus wanted.... everyone survives they gain more knowledge of the know universe than ever before and they rebuild and have a better and easier future...and the reapers even help you rebuild. so it breaks the cycle and in a way is a happy ending even if it does seem completely unethical.

dont get me wrong i still hate the ending but really now ive seen them all with the extended cut i prefer synthesis.

[The Stabilo Boss]

I like how OP is saying that "you can't commit genocide just because you're afraid of extinction," implying that galactic extinction is somehow not as bad as the genocide of a single race.

If you refuse to use the Crucible, you doom organics to losing the war. By failing to act when you had the chance, you are directly responsible for the genocide of every advanced species in the galaxy, including the Geth.

Furthermore, you risk dooming all advanced life for the rest of time, since Shepard has absolutely no reason to believe this cycle's warnings will be any more effective than those of previous cycles.

But apparently this is all ok, because at least Shepard gets to feel good about himself.

[Fauxnormal]

babachewie wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

babachewie wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

babachewie wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

SMichelle wrote...

If OP can say that Arrival never happened - then I say that the Reapers are all a dream.

Problem solved. 

/thread.

Huh? 

Did he say Arrival never happened or that Shepard didn't have to do Arrival? 

Because the latter is actually in the game (and you lose some warassets because of it).

I said Shepard didn't have anything to do with arrival if you don't download it, I don't know where she got something otherwise.

If you dont blow up that relay the Reapers will show up sooner than expected surprising everyone and with no preparation time the Galaxy would lose worst and sooner than expected. Dumb to think the events in Arrival werent necessary and if you think not downloading it and having Hackett sned a team instead of you to clear your conscience then you're a coward and might as well step aside and let people with balls step in and handle the big decisions.

Your obviously are to paranoid to be arguing and who doesn't understand anything, I didn't download the DLC because I didn't feel like wasting my money, and you 300,000 batarians, not 1.5 billion geth.

numbers dont matter when it comes ot the greater good. You cant spend 7 bucks? What are you poor? 

What??????
I admit your stupidity made me lol, I didn't buy it because It didn't interest me, and with what you just wrote makes you seem to young to be typing in a computer.

Really im stupid. says the guy killing the whole galaxy for probbaly the dumbest reasons you can imagine

Frankly, I very obviously loath the Refuse option, but your statement is beyond ignorant. You're probably about fifteen with mommy and daddy buying you everything you want.

[Ryzaki]

Pre EC I was destroy all the way. Control and Synthesis looked like big damn traps.

Post EC...I'm MOSTLY destroy with a bit of reject (with rejecting BW"s BS twitter nonsense and Shep acting like a chump). I do enjoy Control though. I can't help it I love the overlord endings. ...I have no good things to say about Synthesis. Before I found it a bit ridiculous but now? I just find it utterly retarded. I'd pick goddamn refuse before I'd pick Synthesis.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 04 juillet 2012 - 01:52 .