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[Fauxnormal]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Fauxnormal wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

@DEATHSCOPE

So you would commit war crimes, genocide to your allies to win a war, that's were I disagree, Like my Shep said "I rather die fighting" in ME1

1. learn what genocide means. You're sort of doing it picking 'refuse'.

2. Dying is not winning, and it is not better.

3. Your Shep is free to blow his/her brains out. But taking everyone else with him is kind of a dick thing to do.

1-No I'm doing what the Galaxy agreed to do fight Reapers, if we die, its not genocide. We just die.
2-Neither is commiting Genocide of you allies to win a war
3-The reapers killed us, Shep had nothing to do with it, except not choosing to commit genocide.

1. yes. yes it is.

2. Yes. Yes it is.

2. Stop. Blaming. The Reapers. All of you. The reapers did not kill us. Shepard did. you had three options besides the one you picked. YOU chose to end all intellegent life. YOU.

[Khajiit Jzargo]

carrmatt91 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

carrmatt91 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Then its not headcannon that we could survive via stasis pod, if Javik did it, and the only reason why others didn't was because a malfunction, we can sorta assume some people survived.

ill give you that, but the only reason javik alone survived was that the power ran out as it was being triaged for him, and liara said herself that the prothean stasis tech was immensly more powerful than ours, we just wouldn't have the tech to survive until the next cycle if it takes a century unless a very limited number of people were chosen to go into cryo

Liara also said that it might take 100 more years until the Reapers harvest everyone, maybe we can build something to that extent so that our last resort is to survive till the next cycle like the Protheans.

but with what supplies? your losing manpower, worlds, resources, trade routes, its probably safe to assume that once the earth fleet is defeated the catalyst could possibly regain control of the relay network, also you never know if an indoctrinated person would sabotage it.

100 years its a long time, but like i said thats headcannon, so its the geth being rebuilt.

[Ryzaki]

77boy84 wrote...

Fauxnormal wrote...

77boy84 wrote...

Refusal is the right ending because it's not as bad as the others, and I'm not talking morals or ethics or any of that ****. It's the only ending that isn't terribly written and the only one that doesn't totally rely on random space magic to win the day.

I can't even be bothered to argue the merits of one ending vs the other in terms of ethics and morals, because seriously, that's so freaking pointless, because, honestly, none of the endings deserve serious consideration.

Then leave. Don't let the door hit you where the good lord split you, be sure to get ripped off selling your games, and take yourself back under your rock.

Obvious troll is obvious dude don't worry about it.

[SMichelle]

OblivionDawn wrote...

No such thing as the "right" ending.

The title of this thread says different.  Now I don't know what to think!

[Fauxnormal]

Ryzaki wrote...

77boy84 wrote...

Fauxnormal wrote...

77boy84 wrote...

Refusal is the right ending because it's not as bad as the others, and I'm not talking morals or ethics or any of that ****. It's the only ending that isn't terribly written and the only one that doesn't totally rely on random space magic to win the day.

I can't even be bothered to argue the merits of one ending vs the other in terms of ethics and morals, because seriously, that's so freaking pointless, because, honestly, none of the endings deserve serious consideration.

Then leave. Don't let the door hit you where the good lord split you, be sure to get ripped off selling your games, and take yourself back under your rock.

Obvious troll is obvious dude don't worry about it.

Your stupidity hurts me.

[Ryzaki]

Fauxnormal wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

77boy84 wrote...

Fauxnormal wrote...

77boy84 wrote...

Refusal is the right ending because it's not as bad as the others, and I'm not talking morals or ethics or any of that ****. It's the only ending that isn't terribly written and the only one that doesn't totally rely on random space magic to win the day.

I can't even be bothered to argue the merits of one ending vs the other in terms of ethics and morals, because seriously, that's so freaking pointless, because, honestly, none of the endings deserve serious consideration.

Then leave. Don't let the door hit you where the good lord split you, be sure to get ripped off selling your games, and take yourself back under your rock.

Obvious troll is obvious dude don't worry about it.

Your stupidity hurts me.

*gives troll cookies*

There you look a little hungry. Poor thing. Do you want some love? <3

[DEATHSCOPE]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

SMichelle wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

@DEATHSCOPE

So you would commit war crimes, genocide to your allies to win a war, that's were I disagree, Like my Shep said "I rather die fighting" in ME1

And you did.  Of course you also condemned every man, woman, child, every organic and synthetic to systematic destruction - but hey you stuck to your principles - so you got that going for you.

Like I said before, If a country were to get wiped out in a war because they kept fighting instead of doing something they didn't want to do, were the world leaders be accused of Genocide or the killers?

If the world leaders had a chance to save their nation but didn't and chose to opt out, then yes, the leaders are the ones to blame. Not the killers.

[Fauxnormal]

Ryzaki wrote...

Fauxnormal wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

77boy84 wrote...

Fauxnormal wrote...

77boy84 wrote...

Refusal is the right ending because it's not as bad as the others, and I'm not talking morals or ethics or any of that ****. It's the only ending that isn't terribly written and the only one that doesn't totally rely on random space magic to win the day.

I can't even be bothered to argue the merits of one ending vs the other in terms of ethics and morals, because seriously, that's so freaking pointless, because, honestly, none of the endings deserve serious consideration.

Then leave. Don't let the door hit you where the good lord split you, be sure to get ripped off selling your games, and take yourself back under your rock.

Obvious troll is obvious dude don't worry about it.

Your stupidity hurts me.

*gives troll cookies*

There you look a little hungry. Poor thing. Do you want some love? <3

Wouldn't touch you with a ten foot pole.

[Khajiit Jzargo]

Fauxnormal wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Fauxnormal wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

@DEATHSCOPE

So you would commit war crimes, genocide to your allies to win a war, that's were I disagree, Like my Shep said "I rather die fighting" in ME1

1. learn what genocide means. You're sort of doing it picking 'refuse'.

2. Dying is not winning, and it is not better.

3. Your Shep is free to blow his/her brains out. But taking everyone else with him is kind of a dick thing to do.

1-No I'm doing what the Galaxy agreed to do fight Reapers, if we die, its not genocide. We just die.
2-Neither is commiting Genocide of you allies to win a war
3-The reapers killed us, Shep had nothing to do with it, except not choosing to commit genocide.

1. yes. yes it is.

2. Yes. Yes it is.

2. Stop. Blaming. The Reapers. All of you. The reapers did not kill us. Shepard did. you had three options besides the one you picked. YOU chose to end all intellegent life. YOU.

1-Genocide means the "deliberate and systematic destruction" Its not deliberate because i took my chances, even if the chances of winning the war without the crucible is 0000.0000000000001%, its not deliberately.

2-No its not, but thats a matter of opinion.

3-Three options that the galaxy would have not choosen, So your calling us a mass suicide?

[Fauxnormal]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Fauxnormal wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Fauxnormal wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

@DEATHSCOPE

So you would commit war crimes, genocide to your allies to win a war, that's were I disagree, Like my Shep said "I rather die fighting" in ME1

1. learn what genocide means. You're sort of doing it picking 'refuse'.

2. Dying is not winning, and it is not better.

3. Your Shep is free to blow his/her brains out. But taking everyone else with him is kind of a dick thing to do.

1-No I'm doing what the Galaxy agreed to do fight Reapers, if we die, its not genocide. We just die.
2-Neither is commiting Genocide of you allies to win a war
3-The reapers killed us, Shep had nothing to do with it, except not choosing to commit genocide.

1. yes. yes it is.

2. Yes. Yes it is.

2. Stop. Blaming. The Reapers. All of you. The reapers did not kill us. Shepard did. you had three options besides the one you picked. YOU chose to end all intellegent life. YOU.

1-Genocide means the "deliberate and systematic destruction" Its not deliberate because i took my chances, even if the chances of winning the war without the crucible is 0000.0000000000001%, its not deliberately.

2-No its not, but thats a matter of opinion.

3-Three options that the galaxy would have not choosen, So your calling us a mass suicide?

1. BS. You know what would happen.

2. Yes, it is.

2. So the galaxy would rather be blown up. Brilliant, I'm sure they'd all agree with that. Not.

[Khajiit Jzargo]

DEATHSCOPE wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

SMichelle wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

@DEATHSCOPE

So you would commit war crimes, genocide to your allies to win a war, that's were I disagree, Like my Shep said "I rather die fighting" in ME1

And you did.  Of course you also condemned every man, woman, child, every organic and synthetic to systematic destruction - but hey you stuck to your principles - so you got that going for you.

Like I said before, If a country were to get wiped out in a war because they kept fighting instead of doing something they didn't want to do, were the world leaders be accused of Genocide or the killers?

If the world leaders had a chance to save their nation but didn't and chose to opt out, then yes, the leaders are the ones to blame. Not the killers.

History says otherwise.

[babachewie]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

babachewie wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

babachewie wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

SMichelle wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

carrmatt91 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
America didn't commit genocide in WW2. No one ever has.

the rwandans did...

Your right, but do you think it was right?

That question makes no sense as it does not apply to the ME universe, but is simply inflamatory. 

Honestly, OP, why do you care if others agree with you?

I think you're wrong.  You have this romantic notion of war.  That fighting a lost cause and dooming others to a fate worse than death is somehow acceptable.

I will never agree with you.  My Shepard knows that war is not romantic.  She is willing to die to stop the Reapers, and yes, she is willing to condemn the Geth to the same fate.  She accepts that.

You will never agree with me.  You will never accept responsibility for the death of everyone in the galaxy.  But that's your story. 

Mine has Shepard stopping the Reapers at tremendous cost.  She can live with it.  And all of the children from now well into the future can live with it too.

I just wrote it doesn't fit with the ME universe. I don't have a romantic view of war, I know sacrifices and causalties are inatible, but no war should be won by commiting genocide, I do accept responsibilty for the death of everyone in the galaxy, but not because I doomed them by not submitting to the catalyst. 

You clown. You're not submitting to the catalyst. Those choices arent even his. He didnt come up with nor plan the crucible. Those were put there and perfected by the millions of species over the countless cycles. The Catalyst didnt evne know about them until the citadel attached itself to it and it changed him and gave him new options. You doomed the  galaxy without even knowing what you were doing or what it was you were dealing with. Good job. 

The Crucible was never finished before Shepard, and the Catalyst says that Shepard is the first organic to reach that point, so how were those choices implemented by other cycles, and if they were, they didn't even know what they did.

Actually you're wrong the Protheans finished it but were never allowed to use because of in fighting between those who wanted to destroy the reapers and those who wanted to control them. They knew it would work but didnt get to use it cause of stupidty. Sound familar and they were wiped out. The Catalsyt is the citadel. They needed something to massively amplify its energy. Being the central hub of the entire mass relay network it was the obvious choice and was added to the schematics. Nobody knew about the AI living in it. Control and Destroy were the only two choices until it attached to it. That added Synthesis. 

My point still stand, they didn't know about its options.

Who didnt know? Everyone knew it would either control or destroy them. Synthesis is the only choice that was added after the Crucible docked. So thats up to whether you wanna put all your chips on that. You point doesnt stand cause you dont even know all these things I told you. Your ignorance to the story and what really happened made you make a poor choice. it went all went over your head and everyone died because of it

Modifié par babachewie, 04 juillet 2012 - 02:41 .

[Khajiit Jzargo]

@babachewie.

The protheans weren't aware of what the Crucible would do, they got their plans from the previous cycle, you even admitted it.

[DEATHSCOPE]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

DEATHSCOPE wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

SMichelle wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

@DEATHSCOPE

So you would commit war crimes, genocide to your allies to win a war, that's were I disagree, Like my Shep said "I rather die fighting" in ME1

And you did.  Of course you also condemned every man, woman, child, every organic and synthetic to systematic destruction - but hey you stuck to your principles - so you got that going for you.

Like I said before, If a country were to get wiped out in a war because they kept fighting instead of doing something they didn't want to do, were the world leaders be accused of Genocide or the killers?

If the world leaders had a chance to save their nation but didn't and chose to opt out, then yes, the leaders are the ones to blame. Not the killers.

History says otherwise.

Give examples then.

[Ryzaki]

Fauxnormal wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Fauxnormal wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

77boy84 wrote...

Fauxnormal wrote...

77boy84 wrote...

Refusal is the right ending because it's not as bad as the others, and I'm not talking morals or ethics or any of that ****. It's the only ending that isn't terribly written and the only one that doesn't totally rely on random space magic to win the day.

I can't even be bothered to argue the merits of one ending vs the other in terms of ethics and morals, because seriously, that's so freaking pointless, because, honestly, none of the endings deserve serious consideration.

Then leave. Don't let the door hit you where the good lord split you, be sure to get ripped off selling your games, and take yourself back under your rock.

Obvious troll is obvious dude don't worry about it.

Your stupidity hurts me.

*gives troll cookies*

There you look a little hungry. Poor thing. Do you want some love? <3

Wouldn't touch you with a ten foot pole.

Really? *pokes* I'm touching you! 

[Fauxnormal]

Ryzaki wrote...

Fauxnormal wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Fauxnormal wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

77boy84 wrote...

Fauxnormal wrote...

77boy84 wrote...

Refusal is the right ending because it's not as bad as the others, and I'm not talking morals or ethics or any of that ****. It's the only ending that isn't terribly written and the only one that doesn't totally rely on random space magic to win the day.

I can't even be bothered to argue the merits of one ending vs the other in terms of ethics and morals, because seriously, that's so freaking pointless, because, honestly, none of the endings deserve serious consideration.

Then leave. Don't let the door hit you where the good lord split you, be sure to get ripped off selling your games, and take yourself back under your rock.

Obvious troll is obvious dude don't worry about it.

Your stupidity hurts me.

*gives troll cookies*

There you look a little hungry. Poor thing. Do you want some love? <3

Wouldn't touch you with a ten foot pole.

Really? *pokes* I'm touching you! 

MOOOOOM HE'S POKING MEEEEEEEE

[Tairram]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

DEATHSCOPE wrote...

Tairram wrote...

Why i want to chose refusal if with destroy i kill all the bad guys (edi die ? i dont think so, i bet we can repair, if we can reapir mass relays, spaceships,etc). And, my shepard survive XD

Refusal is a good alternate ending and just this. Why i will leave the choices for the future. Starchild again? Oh ,**** no

Agreed. Quarians can always make more Geth.

If your allow to say that, them im allow to say many people survived until the next cycle via methods such as stasis pods because its headcannon.

My problem is this. What is the guarantee the liara beacon will delivery the mensager right if the protheans couldnt have; probably all will be extinct like the protheans and if beacons is a alternative, we probably will die; a ''primitive'' race will evolve and what is the guarantee that will be bether than what asaris,quarians,humanos,etc is right now in me universe ?

This is my problem. This ending is a lot of maybe and uncertainty. But of course, every ending has not guarantee that will be what bw show for us =/.

[Ryzaki]

babachewie wrote...
Who didnt know? Everyone knew it would either control or destroy them. Synthesis is the only choice that was added after the Crucible docked. So thats up to whether you wanna put all your chips on that. You point doesnt stand cause you dont even know all these things I told you. Your ignorance to the story and what really happened made you make a poor choice. it went all went over your head and everyone died because of it

Where are you getting the bolded from? 

[Khajiit Jzargo]

Fauxnormal wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Fauxnormal wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Fauxnormal wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

@DEATHSCOPE

So you would commit war crimes, genocide to your allies to win a war, that's were I disagree, Like my Shep said "I rather die fighting" in ME1

1. learn what genocide means. You're sort of doing it picking 'refuse'.

2. Dying is not winning, and it is not better.

3. Your Shep is free to blow his/her brains out. But taking everyone else with him is kind of a dick thing to do.

1-No I'm doing what the Galaxy agreed to do fight Reapers, if we die, its not genocide. We just die.
2-Neither is commiting Genocide of you allies to win a war
3-The reapers killed us, Shep had nothing to do with it, except not choosing to commit genocide.

1. yes. yes it is.

2. Yes. Yes it is.

2. Stop. Blaming. The Reapers. All of you. The reapers did not kill us. Shepard did. you had three options besides the one you picked. YOU chose to end all intellegent life. YOU.

1-Genocide means the "deliberate and systematic destruction" Its not deliberate because i took my chances, even if the chances of winning the war without the crucible is 0000.0000000000001%, its not deliberately.

2-No its not, but thats a matter of opinion.

3-Three options that the galaxy would have not choosen, So your calling us a mass suicide?

1. BS. You know what would happen.

2. Yes, it is.

2. So the galaxy would rather be blown up. Brilliant, I'm sure they'd all agree with that. Not.

1-I remember my Shep telling the catalyst he doesn't believe him when he says they can't beat them conventionally, so that proves otherwise, it came out my shepards mouth.

2-No, its not

3-They would rather die united that sell someone out to win.

[Ryzaki]

Fauxnormal wrote...
MOOOOOM HE'S POKING MEEEEEEEE

Pssh. I'm not a him. *continues poking* 

[Khajiit Jzargo]

Tairram wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

DEATHSCOPE wrote...

Tairram wrote...

Why i want to chose refusal if with destroy i kill all the bad guys (edi die ? i dont think so, i bet we can repair, if we can reapir mass relays, spaceships,etc). And, my shepard survive XD

Refusal is a good alternate ending and just this. Why i will leave the choices for the future. Starchild again? Oh ,**** no

Agreed. Quarians can always make more Geth.

If your allow to say that, them im allow to say many people survived until the next cycle via methods such as stasis pods because its headcannon.

My problem is this. What is the guarantee the liara beacon will delivery the mensager right if the protheans couldnt have; probably all will be extinct like the protheans and if beacons is a alternative, we probably will die; a ''primitive'' race will evolve and what is the guarantee that will be bether than what asaris,quarians,humanos,etc is right now in me universe ?

This is my problem. This ending is a lot of maybe and uncertainty. But of course, every ending has not guarantee that will be what bw show for us =/.

Theres a cutscene that shows that Liara's beacon was found, and its confirmed by Bioware that the next cycle won.

[babachewie]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

@babachewie.

The protheans weren't aware of what the Crucible would do, they got their plans from the previous cycle, you even admitted it.

no I didnt I said they werent allowed ot use it. They know what it did though. It either controlled or destroyed them. Thats what the infighting was about. they fought so much with each other on what choice to make they didnt even get to use it and were wiped out.

[SMichelle]

Ryzaki wrote...

Fauxnormal wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Fauxnormal wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

77boy84 wrote...

Fauxnormal wrote...

77boy84 wrote...

Refusal is the right ending because it's not as bad as the others, and I'm not talking morals or ethics or any of that ****. It's the only ending that isn't terribly written and the only one that doesn't totally rely on random space magic to win the day.

I can't even be bothered to argue the merits of one ending vs the other in terms of ethics and morals, because seriously, that's so freaking pointless, because, honestly, none of the endings deserve serious consideration.

Then leave. Don't let the door hit you where the good lord split you, be sure to get ripped off selling your games, and take yourself back under your rock.

Obvious troll is obvious dude don't worry about it.

Your stupidity hurts me.

*gives troll cookies*

There you look a little hungry. Poor thing. Do you want some love? <3

Wouldn't touch you with a ten foot pole.

Really? *pokes* I'm touching you! 

Don't make me pull this car over! 

[Ryzaki]

SMichelle wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Fauxnormal wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Fauxnormal wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

77boy84 wrote...

Fauxnormal wrote...

77boy84 wrote...

Refusal is the right ending because it's not as bad as the others, and I'm not talking morals or ethics or any of that ****. It's the only ending that isn't terribly written and the only one that doesn't totally rely on random space magic to win the day.

I can't even be bothered to argue the merits of one ending vs the other in terms of ethics and morals, because seriously, that's so freaking pointless, because, honestly, none of the endings deserve serious consideration.

Then leave. Don't let the door hit you where the good lord split you, be sure to get ripped off selling your games, and take yourself back under your rock.

Obvious troll is obvious dude don't worry about it.

Your stupidity hurts me.

*gives troll cookies*

There you look a little hungry. Poor thing. Do you want some love? <3

Wouldn't touch you with a ten foot pole.

Really? *pokes* I'm touching you! 

Don't make me pull this car over! 

But Faux started it! DX 

[Khajiit Jzargo]

DEATHSCOPE wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

DEATHSCOPE wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

SMichelle wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

@DEATHSCOPE

So you would commit war crimes, genocide to your allies to win a war, that's were I disagree, Like my Shep said "I rather die fighting" in ME1

And you did.  Of course you also condemned every man, woman, child, every organic and synthetic to systematic destruction - but hey you stuck to your principles - so you got that going for you.

Like I said before, If a country were to get wiped out in a war because they kept fighting instead of doing something they didn't want to do, were the world leaders be accused of Genocide or the killers?

If the world leaders had a chance to save their nation but didn't and chose to opt out, then yes, the leaders are the ones to blame. Not the killers.

History says otherwise.

Give examples then.

Christopher Colombus and the indians, the indians died instead of surrendering, but their leaders weren't known as the people who commited genocide for not surrendering but Christopher Colombus gets the blame.