Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
@babachewie.
The protheans weren't aware of what the Crucible would do, they got their plans from the previous cycle, you even admitted it.
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
1-I remember my Shep telling the catalyst he doesn't believe him when he says they can't beat them conventionally, so that proves otherwise, it came out my shepards mouth.Fauxnormal wrote...
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
1-Genocide means the "deliberate and systematic destruction" Its not deliberate because i took my chances, even if the chances of winning the war without the crucible is 0000.0000000000001%, its not deliberately.Fauxnormal wrote...
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
1-No I'm doing what the Galaxy agreed to do fight Reapers, if we die, its not genocide. We just die.Fauxnormal wrote...
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
@DEATHSCOPE
So you would commit war crimes, genocide to your allies to win a war, that's were I disagree, Like my Shep said "I rather die fighting" in ME1
1. learn what genocide means. You're sort of doing it picking 'refuse'.
2. Dying is not winning, and it is not better.
3. Your Shep is free to blow his/her brains out. But taking everyone else with him is kind of a dick thing to do.
2-Neither is commiting Genocide of you allies to win a war
3-The reapers killed us, Shep had nothing to do with it, except not choosing to commit genocide.
1. yes. yes it is.
2. Yes. Yes it is.
2. Stop. Blaming. The Reapers. All of you. The reapers did not kill us. Shepard did. you had three options besides the one you picked. YOU chose to end all intellegent life. YOU.
2-No its not, but thats a matter of opinion.
3-Three options that the galaxy would have not choosen, So your calling us a mass suicide?
1. BS. You know what would happen.
2. Yes, it is.
2. So the galaxy would rather be blown up. Brilliant, I'm sure they'd all agree with that. Not.
2-No, its not
3-They would rather die united that sell someone out to win.
Good point, I'm wrong. But what does it change anything, and that seems a bit fishy because if all you had to do was shoot a tube, or touch two handles someone could have just sneaked and done it.carrmatt91 wrote...
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
@babachewie.
The protheans weren't aware of what the Crucible would do, they got their plans from the previous cycle, you even admitted it.
then why did the vi on thessia say, that there were two prothean factions, the ones who wanted to use the crucible to destroy the reapers, and the one that wanted to use it to control them? obviously they knew it had those two base functions
Ryzaki wrote...
SMichelle wrote...
Ryzaki wrote...
Fauxnormal wrote...
Ryzaki wrote...
Fauxnormal wrote...
Ryzaki wrote...
77boy84 wrote...
Fauxnormal wrote...
77boy84 wrote...
Refusal is the right ending because it's not as bad as the others, and I'm not talking morals or ethics or any of that ****. It's the only ending that isn't terribly written and the only one that doesn't totally rely on random space magic to win the day.
I can't even be bothered to argue the merits of one ending vs the other in terms of ethics and morals, because seriously, that's so freaking pointless, because, honestly, none of the endings deserve serious consideration.
Then leave. Don't let the door hit you where the good lord split you, be sure to get ripped off selling your games, and take yourself back under your rock.
Obvious troll is obvious dude don't worry about it.
Your stupidity hurts me.
*gives troll cookies*
There you look a little hungry. Poor thing. Do you want some love? <3
Wouldn't touch you with a ten foot pole.
Really? *pokes* I'm touching you!
Don't make me pull this car over!
But Faux started it! DX
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
Theres a cutscene that shows that Liara's beacon was found, and its confirmed by Bioware that the next cycle won.Tairram wrote...
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
If your allow to say that, them im allow to say many people survived until the next cycle via methods such as stasis pods because its headcannon.DEATHSCOPE wrote...
Tairram wrote...
Why i want to chose refusal if with destroy i kill all the bad guys (edi die ? i dont think so, i bet we can repair, if we can reapir mass relays, spaceships,etc). And, my shepard survive XD
Refusal is a good alternate ending and just this. Why i will leave the choices for the future. Starchild again? Oh ,**** no
Agreed. Quarians can always make more Geth.
My problem is this. What is the guarantee the liara beacon will delivery the mensager right if the protheans couldnt have; probably all will be extinct like the protheans and if beacons is a alternative, we probably will die; a ''primitive'' race will evolve and what is the guarantee that will be bether than what asaris,quarians,humanos,etc is right now in me universe ?
This is my problem. This ending is a lot of maybe and uncertainty. But of course, every ending has not guarantee that will be what bw show for us =/.
1-Then he was, but didn't commit genocide.Fauxnormal wrote...
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
1-I remember my Shep telling the catalyst he doesn't believe him when he says they can't beat them conventionally, so that proves otherwise, it came out my shepards mouth.Fauxnormal wrote...
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
1-Genocide means the "deliberate and systematic destruction" Its not deliberate because i took my chances, even if the chances of winning the war without the crucible is 0000.0000000000001%, its not deliberately.Fauxnormal wrote...
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
1-No I'm doing what the Galaxy agreed to do fight Reapers, if we die, its not genocide. We just die.Fauxnormal wrote...
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
@DEATHSCOPE
So you would commit war crimes, genocide to your allies to win a war, that's were I disagree, Like my Shep said "I rather die fighting" in ME1
1. learn what genocide means. You're sort of doing it picking 'refuse'.
2. Dying is not winning, and it is not better.
3. Your Shep is free to blow his/her brains out. But taking everyone else with him is kind of a dick thing to do.
2-Neither is commiting Genocide of you allies to win a war
3-The reapers killed us, Shep had nothing to do with it, except not choosing to commit genocide.
1. yes. yes it is.
2. Yes. Yes it is.
2. Stop. Blaming. The Reapers. All of you. The reapers did not kill us. Shepard did. you had three options besides the one you picked. YOU chose to end all intellegent life. YOU.
2-No its not, but thats a matter of opinion.
3-Three options that the galaxy would have not choosen, So your calling us a mass suicide?
1. BS. You know what would happen.
2. Yes, it is.
2. So the galaxy would rather be blown up. Brilliant, I'm sure they'd all agree with that. Not.
2-No, its not
3-They would rather die united that sell someone out to win.
1. Then your Shep was a moron.
2. Yes. It is. One race=everyone lives. War. Casualties. It happens. War is not romantic. It is not poetic.
3. NO FOR ****'S SAKE THEY WOULD NOT. They want to live. I promise you you are the only person stupidly idelic and naive enough to assume that every ****ing person you just murderered would be like 'oh no hey it's cool, man, we're all totally okay with loosing our lives for your absurd principales and rediculas ideals. We'd all much rather lose our lives then take the chance of one of the other options!'
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
Christopher Colombus and the indians, the indians died instead of surrendering, but their leaders weren't known as the people who commited genocide for not surrendering but Christopher Colombus gets the blame.DEATHSCOPE wrote...
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
History says otherwise.DEATHSCOPE wrote...
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
Like I said before, If a country were to get wiped out in a war because they kept fighting instead of doing something they didn't want to do, were the world leaders be accused of Genocide or the killers?SMichelle wrote...
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
@DEATHSCOPE
So you would commit war crimes, genocide to your allies to win a war, that's were I disagree, Like my Shep said "I rather die fighting" in ME1
And you did. Of course you also condemned every man, woman, child, every organic and synthetic to systematic destruction - but hey you stuck to your principles - so you got that going for you.
If the world leaders had a chance to save their nation but didn't and chose to opt out, then yes, the leaders are the ones to blame. Not the killers.
Give examples then.
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
Good point, I'm wrong. But what does it change anything, and that seems a bit fishy because if all you had to do was shoot a tube, or touch two handles someone could have just sneaked and done it.carrmatt91 wrote...
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
@babachewie.
The protheans weren't aware of what the Crucible would do, they got their plans from the previous cycle, you even admitted it.
then why did the vi on thessia say, that there were two prothean factions, the ones who wanted to use the crucible to destroy the reapers, and the one that wanted to use it to control them? obviously they knew it had those two base functions
Modifié par carrmatt91, 04 juillet 2012 - 02:55 .
Bioware confirmed it was used, also they stargazer says "The cycle before us fought a horrible war so we didn't have too"Tairram wrote...
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
Theres a cutscene that shows that Liara's beacon was found, and its confirmed by Bioware that the next cycle won.Tairram wrote...
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
If your allow to say that, them im allow to say many people survived until the next cycle via methods such as stasis pods because its headcannon.DEATHSCOPE wrote...
Tairram wrote...
Why i want to chose refusal if with destroy i kill all the bad guys (edi die ? i dont think so, i bet we can repair, if we can reapir mass relays, spaceships,etc). And, my shepard survive XD
Refusal is a good alternate ending and just this. Why i will leave the choices for the future. Starchild again? Oh ,**** no
Agreed. Quarians can always make more Geth.
My problem is this. What is the guarantee the liara beacon will delivery the mensager right if the protheans couldnt have; probably all will be extinct like the protheans and if beacons is a alternative, we probably will die; a ''primitive'' race will evolve and what is the guarantee that will be bether than what asaris,quarians,humanos,etc is right now in me universe ?
This is my problem. This ending is a lot of maybe and uncertainty. But of course, every ending has not guarantee that will be what bw show for us =/.
I know but what if the crucible didnt work, why it will work in the future ? The logic from the starchild will be there. Waiting for another heroe to go there and accept the others 3 choices. And the beacon has integrity ? it is a lot of years. I dont know even with the prothean beacon was right after all. We all made the crucible like a shoot in the dark. It was just about what the protheans said and they didnt made=/
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
Christopher Colombus and the indians, the indians died instead of surrendering, but their leaders weren't known as the people who commited genocide for not surrendering but Christopher Colombus gets the blame.
Yeah i just explained that to him and whole lot of things he didnt know. Guess thats why he made a poor choice.carrmatt91 wrote...
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
@babachewie.
The protheans weren't aware of what the Crucible would do, they got their plans from the previous cycle, you even admitted it.
then why did the vi on thessia say, that there were two prothean factions, the ones who wanted to use the crucible to destroy the reapers, and the one that wanted to use it to control them? obviously they knew it had those two base functions
If they knew about the options didn't it have to be docked already? and didn't the catalyst say that Shep was the first organic to reach that far.carrmatt91 wrote...
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
Good point, I'm wrong. But what does it change anything, and that seems a bit fishy because if all you had to do was shoot a tube, or touch two handles someone could have just sneaked and done it.carrmatt91 wrote...
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
@babachewie.
The protheans weren't aware of what the Crucible would do, they got their plans from the previous cycle, you even admitted it.
then why did the vi on thessia say, that there were two prothean factions, the ones who wanted to use the crucible to destroy the reapers, and the one that wanted to use it to control them? obviously they knew it had those two base functions
you cant really sneak the crucible to the citadel.. its a bit big isn't it? i mean someone could see it out of a window! oh wait...
For those who died, Was Christopher Colombus or the Tribe leaders blamed for genocide according to history.Scott2998 wrote...
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
Christopher Colombus and the indians, the indians died instead of surrendering, but their leaders weren't known as the people who commited genocide for not surrendering but Christopher Colombus gets the blame.
Actually...
Not every tribe fought, both North and South American tribes. Sure some fought against near impossible odds, but in the end they ALL accepted Western 'solutions' and were either assimilated or moved to reservations. In the end even the Indians chose synthesis.
That doesn't affect my choice in anyway.babachewie wrote...
Yeah i just explained that to him and whole lot of things he didnt know. Guess thats why he made a poor choice.carrmatt91 wrote...
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
@babachewie.
The protheans weren't aware of what the Crucible would do, they got their plans from the previous cycle, you even admitted it.
then why did the vi on thessia say, that there were two prothean factions, the ones who wanted to use the crucible to destroy the reapers, and the one that wanted to use it to control them? obviously they knew it had those two base functions
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
1-Then he was, but didn't commit genocide.Fauxnormal wrote...
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
1-I remember my Shep telling the catalyst he doesn't believe him when he says they can't beat them conventionally, so that proves otherwise, it came out my shepards mouth.Fauxnormal wrote...
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
1-Genocide means the "deliberate and systematic destruction" Its not deliberate because i took my chances, even if the chances of winning the war without the crucible is 0000.0000000000001%, its not deliberately.Fauxnormal wrote...
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
1-No I'm doing what the Galaxy agreed to do fight Reapers, if we die, its not genocide. We just die.Fauxnormal wrote...
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
@DEATHSCOPE
So you would commit war crimes, genocide to your allies to win a war, that's were I disagree, Like my Shep said "I rather die fighting" in ME1
1. learn what genocide means. You're sort of doing it picking 'refuse'.
2. Dying is not winning, and it is not better.
3. Your Shep is free to blow his/her brains out. But taking everyone else with him is kind of a dick thing to do.
2-Neither is commiting Genocide of you allies to win a war
3-The reapers killed us, Shep had nothing to do with it, except not choosing to commit genocide.
1. yes. yes it is.
2. Yes. Yes it is.
2. Stop. Blaming. The Reapers. All of you. The reapers did not kill us. Shepard did. you had three options besides the one you picked. YOU chose to end all intellegent life. YOU.
2-No its not, but thats a matter of opinion.
3-Three options that the galaxy would have not choosen, So your calling us a mass suicide?
1. BS. You know what would happen.
2. Yes, it is.
2. So the galaxy would rather be blown up. Brilliant, I'm sure they'd all agree with that. Not.
2-No, its not
3-They would rather die united that sell someone out to win.
1. Then your Shep was a moron.
2. Yes. It is. One race=everyone lives. War. Casualties. It happens. War is not romantic. It is not poetic.
3. NO FOR ****'S SAKE THEY WOULD NOT. They want to live. I promise you you are the only person stupidly idelic and naive enough to assume that every ****ing person you just murderered would be like 'oh no hey it's cool, man, we're all totally okay with loosing our lives for your absurd principales and rediculas ideals. We'd all much rather lose our lives then take the chance of one of the other options!'
2-Genocide does not equal survival.
3-Opinion.
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
If they knew about the options didn't it have to be docked already? and didn't the catalyst say that Shep was the first organic to reach that far.carrmatt91 wrote...
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
Good point, I'm wrong. But what does it change anything, and that seems a bit fishy because if all you had to do was shoot a tube, or touch two handles someone could have just sneaked and done it.carrmatt91 wrote...
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
@babachewie.
The protheans weren't aware of what the Crucible would do, they got their plans from the previous cycle, you even admitted it.
then why did the vi on thessia say, that there were two prothean factions, the ones who wanted to use the crucible to destroy the reapers, and the one that wanted to use it to control them? obviously they knew it had those two base functions
you cant really sneak the crucible to the citadel.. its a bit big isn't it? i mean someone could see it out of a window! oh wait...
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
Bioware confirmed it was used, also they stargazer says "The cycle before us fought a horrible war so we didn't have too"Tairram wrote...
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
Theres a cutscene that shows that Liara's beacon was found, and its confirmed by Bioware that the next cycle won.Tairram wrote...
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
If your allow to say that, them im allow to say many people survived until the next cycle via methods such as stasis pods because its headcannon.DEATHSCOPE wrote...
Tairram wrote...
Why i want to chose refusal if with destroy i kill all the bad guys (edi die ? i dont think so, i bet we can repair, if we can reapir mass relays, spaceships,etc). And, my shepard survive XD
Refusal is a good alternate ending and just this. Why i will leave the choices for the future. Starchild again? Oh ,**** no
Agreed. Quarians can always make more Geth.
My problem is this. What is the guarantee the liara beacon will delivery the mensager right if the protheans couldnt have; probably all will be extinct like the protheans and if beacons is a alternative, we probably will die; a ''primitive'' race will evolve and what is the guarantee that will be bether than what asaris,quarians,humanos,etc is right now in me universe ?
This is my problem. This ending is a lot of maybe and uncertainty. But of course, every ending has not guarantee that will be what bw show for us =/.
I know but what if the crucible didnt work, why it will work in the future ? The logic from the starchild will be there. Waiting for another heroe to go there and accept the others 3 choices. And the beacon has integrity ? it is a lot of years. I dont know even with the prothean beacon was right after all. We all made the crucible like a shoot in the dark. It was just about what the protheans said and they didnt made=/
1-No.Fauxnormal wrote...
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
1-Then he was, but didn't commit genocide.Fauxnormal wrote...
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
1-I remember my Shep telling the catalyst he doesn't believe him when he says they can't beat them conventionally, so that proves otherwise, it came out my shepards mouth.Fauxnormal wrote...
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
1-Genocide means the "deliberate and systematic destruction" Its not deliberate because i took my chances, even if the chances of winning the war without the crucible is 0000.0000000000001%, its not deliberately.Fauxnormal wrote...
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
1-No I'm doing what the Galaxy agreed to do fight Reapers, if we die, its not genocide. We just die.Fauxnormal wrote...
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
@DEATHSCOPE
So you would commit war crimes, genocide to your allies to win a war, that's were I disagree, Like my Shep said "I rather die fighting" in ME1
1. learn what genocide means. You're sort of doing it picking 'refuse'.
2. Dying is not winning, and it is not better.
3. Your Shep is free to blow his/her brains out. But taking everyone else with him is kind of a dick thing to do.
2-Neither is commiting Genocide of you allies to win a war
3-The reapers killed us, Shep had nothing to do with it, except not choosing to commit genocide.
1. yes. yes it is.
2. Yes. Yes it is.
2. Stop. Blaming. The Reapers. All of you. The reapers did not kill us. Shepard did. you had three options besides the one you picked. YOU chose to end all intellegent life. YOU.
2-No its not, but thats a matter of opinion.
3-Three options that the galaxy would have not choosen, So your calling us a mass suicide?
1. BS. You know what would happen.
2. Yes, it is.
2. So the galaxy would rather be blown up. Brilliant, I'm sure they'd all agree with that. Not.
2-No, its not
3-They would rather die united that sell someone out to win.
1. Then your Shep was a moron.
2. Yes. It is. One race=everyone lives. War. Casualties. It happens. War is not romantic. It is not poetic.
3. NO FOR ****'S SAKE THEY WOULD NOT. They want to live. I promise you you are the only person stupidly idelic and naive enough to assume that every ****ing person you just murderered would be like 'oh no hey it's cool, man, we're all totally okay with loosing our lives for your absurd principales and rediculas ideals. We'd all much rather lose our lives then take the chance of one of the other options!'
2-Genocide does not equal survival.
3-Opinion.
1.yes, he did. he was just a moron.
2. Yes, it does.
3. Fact.
Ok well as long as you know you're wrong by the evidence I just gave you and that you basically doomed the galaxy becuase of your lack of knowledge of Mass Effect and its story then fine.Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
That doesn't affect my choice in anyway.babachewie wrote...
Yeah i just explained that to him and whole lot of things he didnt know. Guess thats why he made a poor choice.carrmatt91 wrote...
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
@babachewie.
The protheans weren't aware of what the Crucible would do, they got their plans from the previous cycle, you even admitted it.
then why did the vi on thessia say, that there were two prothean factions, the ones who wanted to use the crucible to destroy the reapers, and the one that wanted to use it to control them? obviously they knew it had those two base functions
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
If they knew about the options didn't it have to be docked already? and didn't the catalyst say that Shep was the first organic to reach that far.carrmatt91 wrote...
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
Good point, I'm wrong. But what does it change anything, and that seems a bit fishy because if all you had to do was shoot a tube, or touch two handles someone could have just sneaked and done it.carrmatt91 wrote...
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
@babachewie.
The protheans weren't aware of what the Crucible would do, they got their plans from the previous cycle, you even admitted it.
then why did the vi on thessia say, that there were two prothean factions, the ones who wanted to use the crucible to destroy the reapers, and the one that wanted to use it to control them? obviously they knew it had those two base functions
you cant really sneak the crucible to the citadel.. its a bit big isn't it? i mean someone could see it out of a window! oh wait...
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
For those who died, Was Christopher Colombus or the Tribe leaders blamed for genocide according to history.Scott2998 wrote...
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
Christopher Colombus and the indians, the indians died instead of surrendering, but their leaders weren't known as the people who commited genocide for not surrendering but Christopher Colombus gets the blame.
Actually...
Not every tribe fought, both North and South American tribes. Sure some fought against near impossible odds, but in the end they ALL accepted Western 'solutions' and were either assimilated or moved to reservations. In the end even the Indians chose synthesis.
Modifié par DEATHSCOPE, 04 juillet 2012 - 03:02 .
But what about the catalyst said, shepard being the first organic.carrmatt91 wrote...
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
If they knew about the options didn't it have to be docked already? and didn't the catalyst say that Shep was the first organic to reach that far.carrmatt91 wrote...
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
Good point, I'm wrong. But what does it change anything, and that seems a bit fishy because if all you had to do was shoot a tube, or touch two handles someone could have just sneaked and done it.carrmatt91 wrote...
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
@babachewie.
The protheans weren't aware of what the Crucible would do, they got their plans from the previous cycle, you even admitted it.
then why did the vi on thessia say, that there were two prothean factions, the ones who wanted to use the crucible to destroy the reapers, and the one that wanted to use it to control them? obviously they knew it had those two base functions
you cant really sneak the crucible to the citadel.. its a bit big isn't it? i mean someone could see it out of a window! oh wait...
not necessarily, we got our tech off the protheans, and the protheans got their's off the insua... squid things. , it's within the realm of possibility that the squid things told the protheans through data left behind the possibilities of the crucible. it was stated somewhere that the protheans expected themselves to survive through cryostasis and didn't expect the current cycle races, therefore they may not have left that message in the beacons because they already knew about it.
The evidence you gave does not prove in anyway im wrong, please, point to me what you told me that proves im wrong.babachewie wrote...
Ok well as long as you know you're wrong by the evidence I just gave you and that you basically doomed the galaxy becuase of your lack of knowledge of Mass Effect and its story then fine.Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
That doesn't affect my choice in anyway.babachewie wrote...
Yeah i just explained that to him and whole lot of things he didnt know. Guess thats why he made a poor choice.carrmatt91 wrote...
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
@babachewie.
The protheans weren't aware of what the Crucible would do, they got their plans from the previous cycle, you even admitted it.
then why did the vi on thessia say, that there were two prothean factions, the ones who wanted to use the crucible to destroy the reapers, and the one that wanted to use it to control them? obviously they knew it had those two base functions
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