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Reasons why Refusal is the right ending. "Die free!"


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#476
carrmatt91

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The problem none of that is a fact, its all speculations?


well given the endings speculation is the best we can do...

if bioware has done one thing right it has to be splitting the community into factions

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Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Fauxnormal wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Stand amongst the ashes of a trillion dead souls and ask the ghosts if honor matters.


Love this.



Javik makes the best argument against refusal.

Funny though, The protheans didn't commit genocide to win their war when they had the chance.


YOU DOLT.

They never completed the crucible.

#478
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Fauxnormal wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Fauxnormal wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Stand amongst the ashes of a trillion dead souls and ask the ghosts if honor matters.


Love this.



Javik makes the best argument against refusal.


Javik has the most badass quotes period.

I actually want to remember this one. Get it on a t-shirt or something.



It is definitely up there as one of the best quotes from the entire series.  Javik knows the stakes better than anyone else.

#479
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Fauxnormal wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Fauxnormal wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

You know what's better than all life in the galaxy dying?

All life in the galaxy NOT dying.

Sack up, Shep.

Again, That logic is saying that survival is everything.


Uh yeah. Because you know what's worse than survival? Dying. Dying is worse. 

Is submission preferable to extinction?


This is the second time you've quoted that. You're not as deep as you think you are.

Submitting is not blowing the Reapers to hell and back.

Without taking every other sentient being in the galaxy with them.

Submission is doing something you don't want to do, Unless you enjoy it, no one wants to kill the Geth, so your submitting by doing so..


This is the most inane. Stupid. Idiotic. assbackwards. ****ing grasping at straws non-logic I have ever seen in my life.

Stop getting so huffy, explain to me how its stupid again instead of cursing like a mad men.

#480
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Fauxnormal wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Fauxnormal wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Stand amongst the ashes of a trillion dead souls and ask the ghosts if honor matters.


Love this.



Javik makes the best argument against refusal.

Funny though, The protheans didn't commit genocide to win their war when they had the chance.


YOU DOLT.

They never completed the crucible.

I just finished having a convo with Carmatt, they actually did finish it from what I heard.

#481
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Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Fauxnormal wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Stand amongst the ashes of a trillion dead souls and ask the ghosts if honor matters.


Love this.



Javik makes the best argument against refusal.

Funny though, The protheans didn't commit genocide to win their war when they had the chance.


Because they couldn't. They were sabotaged by indoctrinated agents before they could finish. You learn this on Thessia.

Given the Protheans personality they wouldn't have even hesitated. They sacrificed worlds to slow the Reapers down. What are a few races?

And really I don't blame them. It's their survival. My reject Shepard wouldn't have blamed them either. They chose to win and survive. My Shep chose to struggle, and die hoping that the next cycle would be able to win without relying on the Reapers.

Both choices are valid.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 04 juillet 2012 - 03:17 .


#482
Khajiit Jzargo

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carrmatt91 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

@carmatt

The problem none of that is a fact, its all speculations?


well given the endings speculation is the best we can do...

if bioware has done one thing right it has to be splitting the community into factions

I guess.

#483
KotorEffect3

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Fauxnormal wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Fauxnormal wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Stand amongst the ashes of a trillion dead souls and ask the ghosts if honor matters.


Love this.



Javik makes the best argument against refusal.

Funny though, The protheans didn't commit genocide to win their war when they had the chance.


YOU DOLT.

They never completed the crucible.


lol and knowing what we know about them they would not have hesitated to activate the crucible.

#484
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KotorEffect3 wrote...

Fauxnormal wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Fauxnormal wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Stand amongst the ashes of a trillion dead souls and ask the ghosts if honor matters.


Love this.



Javik makes the best argument against refusal.

Funny though, The protheans didn't commit genocide to win their war when they had the chance.


YOU DOLT.

They never completed the crucible.


lol and knowing what we know about them they would not have hesitated to activate the crucible.


This. They wouldn't have been able to hit Destroy fast enough. :lol:

#485
Fauxnormal

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Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Fauxnormal wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Fauxnormal wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

You know what's better than all life in the galaxy dying?

All life in the galaxy NOT dying.

Sack up, Shep.

Again, That logic is saying that survival is everything.


Uh yeah. Because you know what's worse than survival? Dying. Dying is worse. 

Is submission preferable to extinction?


This is the second time you've quoted that. You're not as deep as you think you are.

Submitting is not blowing the Reapers to hell and back.

Without taking every other sentient being in the galaxy with them.

Submission is doing something you don't want to do, Unless you enjoy it, no one wants to kill the Geth, so your submitting by doing so..


This is the most inane. Stupid. Idiotic. assbackwards. ****ing grasping at straws non-logic I have ever seen in my life.

Stop getting so huffy, explain to me how its stupid again instead of cursing like a mad men.


It's been explained to you. Over and over again. You're too bloody stupid to get it, and I'm not reittering what half a dozen people have told you.

#486
Khajiit Jzargo

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Ryzaki wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Fauxnormal wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Stand amongst the ashes of a trillion dead souls and ask the ghosts if honor matters.


Love this.



Javik makes the best argument against refusal.

Funny though, The protheans didn't commit genocide to win their war when they had the chance.


Because they couldn't. They were sabotaged by indoctrinated agents before they could finish. You learn this on Thessia.

Given the Protheans personality they wouldn't have even hesitated. They sacrificed worlds to slow the Reapers down. What are a few races?

And really I don't blame them. It's their survival. My reject Shepard wouldn't have blamed them either. They chose to win and survive. My Shep chose to struggle, and die hoping that the next cycle would be able to win without relying on the Reapers.

Both choices are valid.

Good point.

#487
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Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Fauxnormal wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Fauxnormal wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Stand amongst the ashes of a trillion dead souls and ask the ghosts if honor matters.


Love this.



Javik makes the best argument against refusal.

Funny though, The protheans didn't commit genocide to win their war when they had the chance.


YOU DOLT.

They never completed the crucible.

I just finished having a convo with Carmatt, they actually did finish it from what I heard.


i don't think it's stated either way, but the way they mention 'using' it i assume it's fully built and pluss starbrat says he thought the reapers destroyed it so thats another point to it being at least in the building phase

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Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

You know what's better than all life in the galaxy dying?

All life in the galaxy NOT dying.

Sack up, Shep.

Again, That logic is saying that survival is everything.


Uh yeah. Because you know what's worse than survival? Dying. Dying is worse. 

Is submission preferable to extinction?


Blowing up all Reapers in the galaxy is submission?

Taking over the Reapers and becoming their boss is submission?

No. You know what submission is? Saying "I submit". You know what Control and Destroy and even Synthesis are?

Winning.

Winning =/= submitting.

#489
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Ryzaki wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Fauxnormal wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Fauxnormal wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Stand amongst the ashes of a trillion dead souls and ask the ghosts if honor matters.


Love this.



Javik makes the best argument against refusal.

Funny though, The protheans didn't commit genocide to win their war when they had the chance.


YOU DOLT.

They never completed the crucible.


lol and knowing what we know about them they would not have hesitated to activate the crucible.


This. They wouldn't have been able to hit Destroy fast enough. :lol:


hahah, damn right. :P I swear if Javik was with you he'd be moving before the Starchild even finished speaking. Shepard just like' WAIT, Javik, what are you-'

/BAMBAMBAMBOOOOOOOMMMM

#490
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Fauxnormal wrote...


Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Fauxnormal wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Fauxnormal wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

You know what's better than all life in the galaxy dying?

All life in the galaxy NOT dying.

Sack up, Shep.

Again, That logic is saying that survival is everything.


Uh yeah. Because you know what's worse than survival? Dying. Dying is worse. 

Is submission preferable to extinction?


This is the second time you've quoted that. You're not as deep as you think you are.

Submitting is not blowing the Reapers to hell and back.

Without taking every other sentient being in the galaxy with them.

Submission is doing something you don't want to do, Unless you enjoy it, no one wants to kill the Geth, so your submitting by doing so..


This is the most inane. Stupid. Idiotic. assbackwards. ****ing grasping at straws non-logic I have ever seen in my life.

Stop getting so huffy, explain to me how its stupid again instead of cursing like a mad men.


It's been explained to you. Over and over again. You're too bloody stupid to get it, and I'm not reittering what half a dozen people have told you.

This is the first time in this thread I made that point, now please refute it, it doesn't take much to type words.

#491
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Fauxnormal wrote...


Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Fauxnormal wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Fauxnormal wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

You know what's better than all life in the galaxy dying?

All life in the galaxy NOT dying.

Sack up, Shep.

Again, That logic is saying that survival is everything.


Uh yeah. Because you know what's worse than survival? Dying. Dying is worse. 

Is submission preferable to extinction?


This is the second time you've quoted that. You're not as deep as you think you are.

Submitting is not blowing the Reapers to hell and back.

Without taking every other sentient being in the galaxy with them.

Submission is doing something you don't want to do, Unless you enjoy it, no one wants to kill the Geth, so your submitting by doing so..


This is the most inane. Stupid. Idiotic. assbackwards. ****ing grasping at straws non-logic I have ever seen in my life.

Stop getting so huffy, explain to me how its stupid again instead of cursing like a mad men.


It's been explained to you. Over and over again. You're too bloody stupid to get it, and I'm not reittering what half a dozen people have told you.


Lol. I'm out man. OP is really stubborn. When good points are made, he doesn't reply.

#492
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Fauxnormal wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Fauxnormal wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Fauxnormal wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Stand amongst the ashes of a trillion dead souls and ask the ghosts if honor matters.


Love this.



Javik makes the best argument against refusal.

Funny though, The protheans didn't commit genocide to win their war when they had the chance.


YOU DOLT.

They never completed the crucible.


lol and knowing what we know about them they would not have hesitated to activate the crucible.


This. They wouldn't have been able to hit Destroy fast enough. :lol:


hahah, damn right. :P I swear if Javik was with you he'd be moving before the Starchild even finished speaking. Shepard just like' WAIT, Javik, what are you-'

/BAMBAMBAMBOOOOOOOMMMM



lol so true.

#493
Khajiit Jzargo

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Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

You know what's better than all life in the galaxy dying?

All life in the galaxy NOT dying.

Sack up, Shep.

Again, That logic is saying that survival is everything.


Uh yeah. Because you know what's worse than survival? Dying. Dying is worse. 

Is submission preferable to extinction?


Blowing up all Reapers in the galaxy is submission?

Taking over the Reapers and becoming their boss is submission?

No. You know what submission is? Saying "I submit". You know what Control and Destroy and even Synthesis are?

Winning.

Winning =/= submitting.

You submitted by doing you didn't want to do in destroy by killing all geth. You submit in destroy because it contradicts everything about ME3. Yeah you "win" but you submit.

#494
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Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Fauxnormal wrote...


Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Fauxnormal wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Fauxnormal wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

You know what's better than all life in the galaxy dying?

All life in the galaxy NOT dying.

Sack up, Shep.

Again, That logic is saying that survival is everything.


Uh yeah. Because you know what's worse than survival? Dying. Dying is worse. 

Is submission preferable to extinction?


This is the second time you've quoted that. You're not as deep as you think you are.

Submitting is not blowing the Reapers to hell and back.

Without taking every other sentient being in the galaxy with them.

Submission is doing something you don't want to do, Unless you enjoy it, no one wants to kill the Geth, so your submitting by doing so..


This is the most inane. Stupid. Idiotic. assbackwards. ****ing grasping at straws non-logic I have ever seen in my life.

Stop getting so huffy, explain to me how its stupid again instead of cursing like a mad men.


It's been explained to you. Over and over again. You're too bloody stupid to get it, and I'm not reittering what half a dozen people have told you.

This is the first time in this thread I made that point, now please refute it, it doesn't take much to type words.


Now you're flat-out lying, and that is pathetic.

#495
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Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
Good point.


Honestly though...Shep's cycle was pathetic compared to the Protheans. They pretty much go QQ REAPERS! The second the Reapers are even there "OMG ALL HOPE IS LOST! MUST BUILD SUPERWEAPON!" They roll over crying (and they haven't even seen anything yet) and it's just...compared to the Protheans they're pathetic. I'm listening to Javik's stories and then looking at Shep and co and facepalming.

Especially hard at Liara's "OMG my people!" 

...REALLY LIARA? 

Tis not like we've been seeing every other species huskified and crap until now yo!

#496
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DEATHSCOPE wrote...

Fauxnormal wrote...


Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Fauxnormal wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Fauxnormal wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

You know what's better than all life in the galaxy dying?

All life in the galaxy NOT dying.

Sack up, Shep.

Again, That logic is saying that survival is everything.


Uh yeah. Because you know what's worse than survival? Dying. Dying is worse. 

Is submission preferable to extinction?


This is the second time you've quoted that. You're not as deep as you think you are.

Submitting is not blowing the Reapers to hell and back.

Without taking every other sentient being in the galaxy with them.

Submission is doing something you don't want to do, Unless you enjoy it, no one wants to kill the Geth, so your submitting by doing so..


This is the most inane. Stupid. Idiotic. assbackwards. ****ing grasping at straws non-logic I have ever seen in my life.

Stop getting so huffy, explain to me how its stupid again instead of cursing like a mad men.


It's been explained to you. Over and over again. You're too bloody stupid to get it, and I'm not reittering what half a dozen people have told you.


Lol. I'm out man. OP is really stubborn. When good points are made, he doesn't reply.

I have replied to every of your points, you haven't respond to my last one. Leave if you must knowing your wrong,

#497
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[quote]Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

[quote]Fauxnormal wrote...


[quote]Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

[quote]Fauxnormal wrote...

[quote]Khajiit Jzargo wrote...


Is submission preferable to extinction?
[/quote]

This is the second time you've quoted that. You're not as deep as you think you are.

Submitting is not blowing the Reapers to hell and back.

Without taking every other sentient being in the galaxy with them.

[/quote]Submission is doing something you don't want to do, Unless you enjoy it, no one wants to kill the Geth, so your submitting by doing so..
[/quote]

This is the most inane. Stupid. Idiotic. assbackwards. ****ing grasping at straws non-logic I have ever seen in my life.

[/quote]Stop getting so huffy, explain to me how its stupid again instead of cursing like a mad men.
[/quote]

It's been explained to you. Over and over again. You're too bloody stupid to get it, and I'm not reittering what half a dozen people have told you.

[/quote]This is the first time in this thread I made that point, now please refute it, it doesn't take much to type words.
[/quote]

The Catalyst is not to be listened to because it is a creature of the Reapers and is obviously lying.

Saren is to be listened to because it is a creature of the Reapers and is obviously asking a serious question.

Which one is it?

Modifié par Father_Jerusalem, 04 juillet 2012 - 03:22 .


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[quote]Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

[quote]DEATHSCOPE wrote...

[quote]Fauxnormal wrote...


[quote]Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

[quote]Fauxnormal wrote...

[quote]Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

[quote]Fauxnormal wrote...

[quote]Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

[quote]Father_Jerusalem wrote...

[quote]Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

[quote]Father_Jerusalem wrote...

You know what's better than all life in the galaxy dying?

All life in the galaxy NOT dying.

Sack up, Shep.[/quote]Again, That logic is saying that survival is everything.
[/quote]

Uh yeah. Because you know what's worse than survival? Dying. Dying is worse. 

[/quote]Is submission preferable to extinction?
[/quote]

This is the second time you've quoted that. You're not as deep as you think you are.

Submitting is not blowing the Reapers to hell and back.

Without taking every other sentient being in the galaxy with them.

[/quote]Submission is doing something you don't want to do, Unless you enjoy it, no one wants to kill the Geth, so your submitting by doing so..
[/quote]

This is the most inane. Stupid. Idiotic. assbackwards. ****ing grasping at straws non-logic I have ever seen in my life.

[/quote]Stop getting so huffy, explain to me how its stupid again instead of cursing like a mad men.
[/quote]

It's been explained to you. Over and over again. You're too bloody stupid to get it, and I'm not reittering what half a dozen people have told you.

[/quote]

Lol. I'm out man. OP is really stubborn. When good points are made, he doesn't reply.

[/quote]I have replied to every of your points, you haven't respond to my last one. Leave if you must knowing your wrong,
[/quote]

I did. Go back and page and you'll find it.

#499
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Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

You know what's better than all life in the galaxy dying?

All life in the galaxy NOT dying.

Sack up, Shep.

Again, That logic is saying that survival is everything.


Uh yeah. Because you know what's worse than survival? Dying. Dying is worse. 

Is submission preferable to extinction?


Blowing up all Reapers in the galaxy is submission?

Taking over the Reapers and becoming their boss is submission?

No. You know what submission is? Saying "I submit". You know what Control and Destroy and even Synthesis are?

Winning.

Winning =/= submitting.

You submitted by doing you didn't want to do in destroy by killing all geth. You submit in destroy because it contradicts everything about ME3. Yeah you "win" but you submit.


I hope to God you're ten.

There is no other good explination for this degree of shallow ignorance.

#500
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[quote]Fauxnormal wrote...

[quote]Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

[quote]Fauxnormal wrote...


[quote]Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

[quote]Fauxnormal wrote...

[quote]Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

[quote]Fauxnormal wrote...

[quote]Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

[quote]Father_Jerusalem wrote...

[quote]Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

[quote]Father_Jerusalem wrote...

You know what's better than all life in the galaxy dying?

All life in the galaxy NOT dying.

Sack up, Shep.[/quote]Again, That logic is saying that survival is everything.
[/quote]

Uh yeah. Because you know what's worse than survival? Dying. Dying is worse. 

[/quote]Is submission preferable to extinction?
[/quote]

This is the second time you've quoted that. You're not as deep as you think you are.

Submitting is not blowing the Reapers to hell and back.

Without taking every other sentient being in the galaxy with them.

[/quote]Submission is doing something you don't want to do, Unless you enjoy it, no one wants to kill the Geth, so your submitting by doing so..
[/quote]

This is the most inane. Stupid. Idiotic. assbackwards. ****ing grasping at straws non-logic I have ever seen in my life.

[/quote]Stop getting so huffy, explain to me how its stupid again instead of cursing like a mad men.
[/quote]

It's been explained to you. Over and over again. You're too bloody stupid to get it, and I'm not reittering what half a dozen people have told you.

[/quote]This is the first time in this thread I made that point, now please refute it, it doesn't take much to type words.
[/quote]

Now you're flat-out lying, and that is pathetic.

[/quote]Please point to me where else except last time I made this point "Submission is doing something you don't want to do, Unless you enjoy it, no one wants to kill the Geth, so your submitting by doing so.." with you, please indulge me.