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[The Genophage]

shodiswe wrote...

Sure Mr Catalyst, that sounds cool, don't let me get in your way. I could stop you by shotign that relay, electricutingmyself and erasing you from existance or jump into that beam and end this once and for all... but meh... this is too much fun! IT's you doing this therefor it's not my problem....

Hacket: what's going on down there, people are dying out here!!

Shepard: I like it this way, it's not my fault people are dying

Shepard: *toses the comm of the platform and sits down waiting for death to approach as the crucible powers down*

Your metagaming, thats assuming you know the Catalyst is telling the truth. Your arguement is moot.

[Chaia]

The Genophage wrote...

Chaia wrote...

ImperatorMortis wrote...

The Genophage wrote...

How so? Is a united galaxy that will fight to the death for each other. I think that some would obviously oppose the idea, but some would be glad that they didn't commit major genocide to win a war and that they will fight to the death and not sell someone out.

I honestly don't mean to be rude, but this is so insanely naive that its making my head spin. 

You think anyone would care that they had to destroyed synthetics so everyone else can live. Really? 

This sense of comradery, and honor does not exist. People want to live. Thats all that matters to most people. 

-snip-

Indeed the level of loyality from some people on the threads towards the Geth is endearing, but it does come of somewhat naïve, what some people have seemly forgotten (if this has come up before, sorry, havn't read all 30 pages) but is that its only Shepard and his ME2 crew that have a close relationship with the Geth, and perhaps the Quarians if peace has been achieved between the two races.

Otherwise do people really think the adverage Asari, Turian, Salarian, Krogan etc etc is going too care about distroying race that was attacking the Citadel just two years ago (who were fighting for a Reaper) whilst watching their homeworlds burn and their families being slaughtered? 
Personally I think pretty much all of them would be shooting the tube, distorying the Reapers and Geth alike, without a backwards glance.

So lets say it was the Krogan, a lot of people still find them hostile, does it justify to kill them.

Excuse me, the genophage would like a word with you 

[Ryzaki]

The Genophage wrote...

Chaia wrote...

ImperatorMortis wrote...

The Genophage wrote...

How so? Is a united galaxy that will fight to the death for each other. I think that some would obviously oppose the idea, but some would be glad that they didn't commit major genocide to win a war and that they will fight to the death and not sell someone out.

I honestly don't mean to be rude, but this is so insanely naive that its making my head spin. 

You think anyone would care that they had to destroyed synthetics so everyone else can live. Really? 

This sense of comradery, and honor does not exist. People want to live. Thats all that matters to most people. 

-snip-

Indeed the level of loyality from some people on the threads towards the Geth is endearing, but it does come of somewhat naïve, what some people have seemly forgotten (if this has come up before, sorry, havn't read all 30 pages) but is that its only Shepard and his ME2 crew that have a close relationship with the Geth, and perhaps the Quarians if peace has been achieved between the two races.

Otherwise do people really think the adverage Asari, Turian, Salarian, Krogan etc etc is going too care about distroying race that was attacking the Citadel just two years ago (who were fighting for a Reaper) whilst watching their homeworlds burn and their families being slaughtered? 
Personally I think pretty much all of them would be shooting the tube, distorying the Reapers and Geth alike, without a backwards glance.

So lets say it was the Krogan, a lot of people still find them hostile, does it justify to kill them.

*look at Destroy Shepard*



Lawl.

[The Genophage]

Chaia wrote...

The Genophage wrote...

Chaia wrote...

ImperatorMortis wrote...

The Genophage wrote...

How so? Is a united galaxy that will fight to the death for each other. I think that some would obviously oppose the idea, but some would be glad that they didn't commit major genocide to win a war and that they will fight to the death and not sell someone out.

I honestly don't mean to be rude, but this is so insanely naive that its making my head spin. 

You think anyone would care that they had to destroyed synthetics so everyone else can live. Really? 

This sense of comradery, and honor does not exist. People want to live. Thats all that matters to most people. 

-snip-

Indeed the level of loyality from some people on the threads towards the Geth is endearing, but it does come of somewhat naïve, what some people have seemly forgotten (if this has come up before, sorry, havn't read all 30 pages) but is that its only Shepard and his ME2 crew that have a close relationship with the Geth, and perhaps the Quarians if peace has been achieved between the two races.

Otherwise do people really think the adverage Asari, Turian, Salarian, Krogan etc etc is going too care about distroying race that was attacking the Citadel just two years ago (who were fighting for a Reaper) whilst watching their homeworlds burn and their families being slaughtered? 
Personally I think pretty much all of them would be shooting the tube, distorying the Reapers and Geth alike, without a backwards glance.

So lets say it was the Krogan, a lot of people still find them hostile, does it justify to kill them.

Excuse me, the genophage would like a word with you 

The Genophage didn't kill them, and it was cured for a reason in my playtrough.
:innocent:

[The Genophage]

Ryzaki wrote...

The Genophage wrote...

Chaia wrote...

ImperatorMortis wrote...

The Genophage wrote...

How so? Is a united galaxy that will fight to the death for each other. I think that some would obviously oppose the idea, but some would be glad that they didn't commit major genocide to win a war and that they will fight to the death and not sell someone out.

I honestly don't mean to be rude, but this is so insanely naive that its making my head spin. 

You think anyone would care that they had to destroyed synthetics so everyone else can live. Really? 

This sense of comradery, and honor does not exist. People want to live. Thats all that matters to most people. 

-snip-

Indeed the level of loyality from some people on the threads towards the Geth is endearing, but it does come of somewhat naïve, what some people have seemly forgotten (if this has come up before, sorry, havn't read all 30 pages) but is that its only Shepard and his ME2 crew that have a close relationship with the Geth, and perhaps the Quarians if peace has been achieved between the two races.

Otherwise do people really think the adverage Asari, Turian, Salarian, Krogan etc etc is going too care about distroying race that was attacking the Citadel just two years ago (who were fighting for a Reaper) whilst watching their homeworlds burn and their families being slaughtered? 
Personally I think pretty much all of them would be shooting the tube, distorying the Reapers and Geth alike, without a backwards glance.

So lets say it was the Krogan, a lot of people still find them hostile, does it justify to kill them.

*look at Destroy Shepard*



Lawl.

You sick demented person lol.

[carrmatt91]

The Genophage wrote...

Chaia wrote...

ImperatorMortis wrote...

The Genophage wrote...

How so? Is a united galaxy that will fight to the death for each other. I think that some would obviously oppose the idea, but some would be glad that they didn't commit major genocide to win a war and that they will fight to the death and not sell someone out.

I honestly don't mean to be rude, but this is so insanely naive that its making my head spin. 

You think anyone would care that they had to destroyed synthetics so everyone else can live. Really? 

This sense of comradery, and honor does not exist. People want to live. Thats all that matters to most people. 

-snip-

Indeed the level of loyality from some people on the threads towards the Geth is endearing, but it does come of somewhat naïve, what some people have seemly forgotten (if this has come up before, sorry, havn't read all 30 pages) but is that its only Shepard and his ME2 crew that have a close relationship with the Geth, and perhaps the Quarians if peace has been achieved between the two races.

Otherwise do people really think the adverage Asari, Turian, Salarian, Krogan etc etc is going too care about distroying race that was attacking the Citadel just two years ago (who were fighting for a Reaper) whilst watching their homeworlds burn and their families being slaughtered? 
Personally I think pretty much all of them would be shooting the tube, distorying the Reapers and Geth alike, without a backwards glance.

So lets say it was the Krogan, a lot of people still find them hostile, does it justify to kill them.

the salarians wanted to keep the genophage.

[Ryzaki]

The Genophage wrote...
You sick demented person lol.

Hey there's no way in hell I'm curing the genophage with WREAV in power.

Not that my Shep was much nicer with Wrex when he kept the cure in ME2.

[shodiswe]

The Genophage wrote...

shodiswe wrote...

Sure Mr Catalyst, that sounds cool, don't let me get in your way. I could stop you by shotign that relay, electricutingmyself and erasing you from existance or jump into that beam and end this once and for all... but meh... this is too much fun! IT's you doing this therefor it's not my problem....

Hacket: what's going on down there, people are dying out here!!

Shepard: I like it this way, it's not my fault people are dying

Shepard: *toses the comm of the platform and sits down waiting for death to approach as the crucible powers down*

Your metagaming, thats assuming you know the Catalyst is telling the truth. Your arguement is moot.

There are reaper fleets all over the galaxy, around and on just about every inhabited planet, attacking Earth orbit and landing a team in London almost wiped out all galactic fleets and armys, how can shepard not know they are close to getting anihilated and that it is unavoidable, garrus tells you how hopless it is, Liara, Hackett, Anderson, I cant think of a single person in the whole of ME3 that says they belive it can be done conventionaly. They belive in shepard and the crucible though... And shepard lets everyone down by rejecting the last hope to save everyone.
Only a complete retard would think that the galaxy stands a chance at a conventional victory when standign there with the catalyst.. Nothing else matters, if the catalyst lies or not matters not, everyone will die unless you do something desperate... The Galaxy can't save itself.

[The Genophage]

carrmatt91 wrote...

The Genophage wrote...

Chaia wrote...

ImperatorMortis wrote...

The Genophage wrote...

How so? Is a united galaxy that will fight to the death for each other. I think that some would obviously oppose the idea, but some would be glad that they didn't commit major genocide to win a war and that they will fight to the death and not sell someone out.

I honestly don't mean to be rude, but this is so insanely naive that its making my head spin. 

You think anyone would care that they had to destroyed synthetics so everyone else can live. Really? 

This sense of comradery, and honor does not exist. People want to live. Thats all that matters to most people. 

-snip-

Indeed the level of loyality from some people on the threads towards the Geth is endearing, but it does come of somewhat naïve, what some people have seemly forgotten (if this has come up before, sorry, havn't read all 30 pages) but is that its only Shepard and his ME2 crew that have a close relationship with the Geth, and perhaps the Quarians if peace has been achieved between the two races.

Otherwise do people really think the adverage Asari, Turian, Salarian, Krogan etc etc is going too care about distroying race that was attacking the Citadel just two years ago (who were fighting for a Reaper) whilst watching their homeworlds burn and their families being slaughtered? 
Personally I think pretty much all of them would be shooting the tube, distorying the Reapers and Geth alike, without a backwards glance.

So lets say it was the Krogan, a lot of people still find them hostile, does it justify to kill them.

the salarians wanted to keep the genophage.

Does that mean its right, or does that justify it. 
Padok Wiks " We should let the evolutionary process do its job, not galactic politics"
<_<

[Gabylan001]

"It is better to die on your feet than live on your knees."

[The Genophage]

shodiswe wrote...

The Genophage wrote...

shodiswe wrote...

Sure Mr Catalyst, that sounds cool, don't let me get in your way. I could stop you by shotign that relay, electricutingmyself and erasing you from existance or jump into that beam and end this once and for all... but meh... this is too much fun! IT's you doing this therefor it's not my problem....

Hacket: what's going on down there, people are dying out here!!

Shepard: I like it this way, it's not my fault people are dying

Shepard: *toses the comm of the platform and sits down waiting for death to approach as the crucible powers down*

Your metagaming, thats assuming you know the Catalyst is telling the truth. Your arguement is moot.

There are reaper fleets all over the galaxy, around and on just about every inhabited planet, attacking Earth orbit and landing a team in London almost wiped out all galactic fleets and armys, how can shepard not know they are close to getting anihilated and that it is unavoidable, garrus tells you how hopless it is, Liara, Hackett, Anderson, I cant think of a single person in the whole of ME3 that says they belive it can be done conventionaly. They belive in shepard and the crucible though... And shepard lets everyone down by rejecting the last hope to save everyone.
Only a complete retard would think that the galaxy stands a chance at a conventional victory when standign there with the catalyst.. Nothing else matters, if the catalyst lies or not matters not, everyone will die unless you do something desperate... The Galaxy can't save itself.

Let me borrow a line from TAO here 

So taking a chance on following the Reapers = good.
Taking a chance on relying on your allies to fight the Reapers = bad.

Meh, Your logic not mine.

[The Genophage]

Ryzaki wrote...

The Genophage wrote...
You sick demented person lol.

Hey there's no way in hell I'm curing the genophage with WREAV in power.

Not that my Shep was much nicer with Wrex when he kept the cure in ME2.

How could you kill Wrex?

[Ryzaki]

The Genophage wrote...
How could you kill Wrex?

He gave my Shep no choice. Shep sabotoged the cure and Wrex tried to kill him over it. Shep merely defended himself.

A sad end to a friendship but there it was.

[Psychlonus]

It has already been argued that you can't genocide synthetics. You can wipe them out temporarily, but they don't require biological material and don't require lineage; so you can't extinguish them like you can an organic species.

[The Genophage]

Ryzaki wrote...

The Genophage wrote...
How could you kill Wrex?

He gave my Shep no choice. Shep sabotoged the cure and Wrex tried to kill him over it. Shep merely defended himself.

A sad end to a friendship but there it was.

WHY DIDN'T YOU HAVE ENOUGH CHARM BARS!!!!!!!!!!

[carrmatt91]

The Genophage wrote...

carrmatt91 wrote...

The Genophage wrote...

Chaia wrote...

ImperatorMortis wrote...

The Genophage wrote...

How so? Is a united galaxy that will fight to the death for each other. I think that some would obviously oppose the idea, but some would be glad that they didn't commit major genocide to win a war and that they will fight to the death and not sell someone out.

I honestly don't mean to be rude, but this is so insanely naive that its making my head spin. 

You think anyone would care that they had to destroyed synthetics so everyone else can live. Really? 

This sense of comradery, and honor does not exist. People want to live. Thats all that matters to most people. 

-snip-

Indeed the level of loyality from some people on the threads towards the Geth is endearing, but it does come of somewhat naïve, what some people have seemly forgotten (if this has come up before, sorry, havn't read all 30 pages) but is that its only Shepard and his ME2 crew that have a close relationship with the Geth, and perhaps the Quarians if peace has been achieved between the two races.

Otherwise do people really think the adverage Asari, Turian, Salarian, Krogan etc etc is going too care about distroying race that was attacking the Citadel just two years ago (who were fighting for a Reaper) whilst watching their homeworlds burn and their families being slaughtered? 
Personally I think pretty much all of them would be shooting the tube, distorying the Reapers and Geth alike, without a backwards glance.

So lets say it was the Krogan, a lot of people still find them hostile, does it justify to kill them.

the salarians wanted to keep the genophage.

Does that mean its right, or does that justify it. 
Padok Wiks " We should let the evolutionary process do its job, not galactic politics"
<_<

right and wrong have no place in a war where every sentient being is fighting for its right to exist

[The Genophage]

Psychlonus wrote...

It has already been argued that you can't genocide synthetics. You can wipe them out temporarily, but they don't require biological material and don't require lineage; so you can't extinguish them like you can an organic species.

I myself choose control, not to kill the Geth, yes you can genocide synthetics, they are true AI, sentient machines.

[Ryzaki]

The Genophage wrote...
WHY DIDN'T YOU HAVE ENOUGH CHARM BARS!!!!!!!!!!

Huh? You can't charm you way out of killing Wrex in ME3 if you sabotoge the cure.

[The Genophage]

carrmatt91 wrote...

The Genophage wrote...

carrmatt91 wrote...

The Genophage wrote...

Chaia wrote...

ImperatorMortis wrote...

The Genophage wrote...

How so? Is a united galaxy that will fight to the death for each other. I think that some would obviously oppose the idea, but some would be glad that they didn't commit major genocide to win a war and that they will fight to the death and not sell someone out.

I honestly don't mean to be rude, but this is so insanely naive that its making my head spin. 

You think anyone would care that they had to destroyed synthetics so everyone else can live. Really? 

This sense of comradery, and honor does not exist. People want to live. Thats all that matters to most people. 

-snip-

Indeed the level of loyality from some people on the threads towards the Geth is endearing, but it does come of somewhat naïve, what some people have seemly forgotten (if this has come up before, sorry, havn't read all 30 pages) but is that its only Shepard and his ME2 crew that have a close relationship with the Geth, and perhaps the Quarians if peace has been achieved between the two races.

Otherwise do people really think the adverage Asari, Turian, Salarian, Krogan etc etc is going too care about distroying race that was attacking the Citadel just two years ago (who were fighting for a Reaper) whilst watching their homeworlds burn and their families being slaughtered? 
Personally I think pretty much all of them would be shooting the tube, distorying the Reapers and Geth alike, without a backwards glance.

So lets say it was the Krogan, a lot of people still find them hostile, does it justify to kill them.

the salarians wanted to keep the genophage.

Does that mean its right, or does that justify it. 
Padok Wiks " We should let the evolutionary process do its job, not galactic politics"
<_<

right and wrong have no place in a war where every sentient being is fighting for its right to exist

Thats beside the point, "every sentient being is fighting for its right to exist" so why would you completely wipe one out. Your logic.

[The Genophage]

Ryzaki wrote...

The Genophage wrote...
WHY DIDN'T YOU HAVE ENOUGH CHARM BARS!!!!!!!!!!

Huh? You can't charm you way out of killing Wrex in ME3 if you sabotoge the cure.

Oh, I though you killed him in 1, anyway, WHY WOULD YOU BETRAY WREX!!!!.

[Psychlonus]

The Genophage wrote...

Psychlonus wrote...

It has already been argued that you can't genocide synthetics. You can wipe them out temporarily, but they don't require biological material and don't require lineage; so you can't extinguish them like you can an organic species.

I myself choose control, not to kill the Geth, yes you can genocide synthetics, they are true AI, sentient machines.

If you chose to sacrifice a species, the best one to sacrifice is the only one that can recover from 'genocide'.

[Chaia]

The Genophage wrote...

Chaia wrote...

-snip-
Excuse me, the genophage would like a word with you 

The Genophage didn't kill them, and it was cured for a reason in my playtrough.
:innocent:

LOL true for mine too , and true it didn't kill them, and no I'm not trying to argue if its right or wrong.

My point is the mind sets of people, years ago there was a big problem with over population with the Krogan, hence the genophage, I'm guessing most people in the ME universe don't like it and wouldn't want it to happen to their own race, but they had a huge problem with a differenet race that threated galactic stability as they knew it, so they introduced it and the general population looked the other way, their still remembered for helping to win the Rachni Wars, but people still fear the Krogan horde so they don't spend much thought on the genophage.

In essence, I'm guessing most people will think of distroying the Geth is a small price to pay for winning the war and distroying the Reapers, remembering them as martyrs that gave their lives for the sake of the rest in the long run once the dust has settled.

Modifié par Chaia, 04 juillet 2012 - 05:36 .

[The Genophage]

Psychlonus wrote...

The Genophage wrote...

Psychlonus wrote...

It has already been argued that you can't genocide synthetics. You can wipe them out temporarily, but they don't require biological material and don't require lineage; so you can't extinguish them like you can an organic species.

I myself choose control, not to kill the Geth, yes you can genocide synthetics, they are true AI, sentient machines.

If you chose to sacrifice a species, the best one to sacrifice is the only one that can recover from 'genocide'.

It won't be the same Geth, and that in a way its a headcannon.

[Ryzaki]

The Genophage wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

The Genophage wrote...
WHY DIDN'T YOU HAVE ENOUGH CHARM BARS!!!!!!!!!!

Huh? You can't charm you way out of killing Wrex in ME3 if you sabotoge the cure.

Oh, I though you killed him in 1, anyway, WHY WOULD YOU BETRAY WREX!!!!.

Because the Krogan are extremely dangerous and has shown no inclination towards anything that makes my Shep think it's a good idea to cure the genophage. Too many elements still want revenge.

THe genophage had little to do with Krogan overpopulation I have no idea where people are getting that from. It was to cut their supply of troops for when they were at war with the galaxy. If they don't have enough troops they can't afford to go to war. That's all it was.

I tend to pick Destroy over Control though because yeah Geth can be rebuilt (HC but nothing contradicts it) and the Reapers need to be dead. DEAD dead. Not wandering around and crap.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 04 juillet 2012 - 05:37 .

[The Genophage]

Chaia wrote...

The Genophage wrote...

Chaia wrote...

-snip-
Excuse me, the genophage would like a word with you 

The Genophage didn't kill them, and it was cured for a reason in my playtrough.
:innocent:

LOL true for mine too , and true it didn't kill them, and no I'm not trying to argue if its right or wrong.

My point is the mind sets of people, years ago there was a big problem with over population with the Krogan, hence the genophage, I'm guessing most people in the ME universe don't like it and wouldn't want it to happen to their own race, but they had a huge problem with a differenet race that threated galactic stability as they knew it, so they introduced it and the general population looked the other way, their still remembered for helping to Rachni Wars, but people still fear the Krogan horde so they don't spend much thought on the genophage.

In essence, I'm guessing most people will think of distroying the Geth is a small price to pay for winning the war and distroying the Reapers, remembering them as martyrs that gave their lives for the sake of the rest in the long run once the dust has settled.

But that doesn't make it right, I do agree with what your saying though. Thats why I will always choose control.