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[The Angry One]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

No it doesn't. Procreation is not the Reapers' primary motive but a byproduct of their programming. Numbers are irrelevant unless they physically run out of Reapers while trying to kill everyone.

This cycle was unusual. Usually, they take out the Citadel first. Next time, they'll need much fewer Reapers (basically, the prothean sabotage of the citadel turned this from a big game hunt into a war)

If the next cycle finds Liara's capsules and has proper warning, they can get to the Reapers before they come through the Citadel.

Yes. That's what "can't win" means.

The theme of ME3. Defeatism.

You do not know this. Stop inventing facts to support your argument.

The Catalyst says the cycle is no longer viable.
If it's no longer viable, and it's willing for destroy to be used, killing all Reapers, why can't it just stand down?

Modifié par The Angry One, 04 juillet 2012 - 05:38 .

[Massa FX]

You know that everyone here is just repeating the same arguments over and over again. Is getting the last word that important? You are ALL right in your views. You cant sway anyone from their opinion on a forum. Write a blog or something to express your opinion and move along.

[The Genophage]

Ryzaki wrote...

The Genophage wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

The Genophage wrote...
WHY DIDN'T YOU HAVE ENOUGH CHARM BARS!!!!!!!!!!

Huh? You can't charm you way out of killing Wrex in ME3 if you sabotoge the cure.

Oh, I though you killed him in 1, anyway, WHY WOULD YOU BETRAY WREX!!!!.

Because the Krogan are extremely dangerous and has shown no inclination towards anything that makes my Shep think it's a good idea to cure the genophage. Too many elements still want revenge.

THe genophage had little to do with Krogan overpopulation I have no idea where people are getting that from. It was to cut their supply of troops for when they were at war with the galaxy. If they don't have enough troops they can't afford to go to war. That's all it was.

I know its metagaming, but you were wrong, have you seen the slides when you cure the Genophage and Wrex is alive, its a thing of beauty.

[ImperatorMortis]

[quote]The Angry One wrote...

Reapers are hybrids.

Oops. 
[/quote]

Oops. You're right.

Oh well. I've never claimed to be infalible. 

[quote]The Angry One wrote...
Again, the Catalyst could just stand down. It admits the cycle no longer works. Nobody needs to die.
It's forcing this for no reason.
 [/quote] 

You're right, but the fact of the matter is that it isn't standing down. It asks Shepard for an alternative, and when Shep refuses it says "oh well, since you've got nothing we'll just keep doing what we're doing". 


[quote]The Angry One wrote...
Just like you keep feeding me that it's somehow my fault that the Catalyst is a murderer.
[/quote]  

It is your fault. You're guilty of inaction. 



[quote]The Angry One wrote...
Shepard has a radio. Shepard can call Hackett. Have Hackett destroy the Presidium tower. Eliminate the Catalyst. Organise an attack. Anything.
[/quote]  

You think the radio would work? After Shepard was just fried by a giant laser beam? Did you see the state of Sheps armor? You think there would be a working radio on that? 

[quote]The Angry One wrote...
They die the next cycle, so they didn't.
[/quote]  

Fair enough, but in the mean time everyone you know died for no reason. They didn't have to die in the next cycle, they could have died in this one. 
[quote]
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[quote]The Angry One wrote...
I am far what? Complete your sentences please.
[/quote]   

Sorry, I didn't even noticed that. 


[quote]The Angry One wrote...
If it's not shown IN THE GAME and only appears as a throwaway line on twitter then it doesn't matter.
[/quote]    

So the Mass Effect books don't matter because the events weren't shown in game?

[quote]I did do something, the Reapers are gone. Humanity gets to live, the Turians get to live, the Asari get to live, the Krogan get to live, the Rachni get to live, the Volus get to live, the Elcor get to live, the Hanar get to live,  the Quarians get to live, the Batarians get to live, etc. etc. [/quote]

[quote]The Angry One wrote...
You did the Catalyst's bidding, and now the future is controlled by the Catalyst one way or another.
[/quote]

Yup. I did do its bidding, and as a result everyone is OK, and Zaeed is chilling on a beach somewhere. 

[quote]The Angry One wrote...
You called my contribution to the next cycle nothing, so I called what you did nothing.
[/quote] 

What exactly did you contribute? Tell me? What did you actually do to the Reapers? 

[quote]The Angry One wrote...
Didn't like it, did you?
[/quote] 

I'm indifferent about what you said; because I know I did something. The in game epilogue shows me what I did, and what I did was awesome. 

[quote]The Angry One wrote...
Resisted the Reapers, diminished their numbers, allowed Liara to plant the caches with the information needed to fight them early on their terms.
[/quote] 

Liara was planning on doing that anyway without your consent. 

[quote]The Angry One wrote...
Irrelevant, you guessed.
 [/quote]  

I hypothisized. 

[quote]The Angry One wrote...
So taking a chance on following the Reapers = good.
Taking a chance on relying on your allies to fight the Reapers = bad.
[/quote]  

Yes, because evidence suggested througout the game that they wouldn't be able to defeat the Reapers normally. They knew that they needed the Crucible to win, and they were relying on getting it working. 

So when Shep doesn't use it he/she basically screws them all over. 

[quote]The Angry One wrote...
No you didn't, the Catalyst did.
[/quote] 

Details. What matters is that Reapers are no longer a threat, they're not being fused because of synthesis, and everyone gets to live their lives without having to live in fear(of the Reapers atleast). 

With my solution the conflict is over, with your "solution" all you're doing is letting the horror continue for everyone else. 

[quote]Everyone knew that they would be royally ****ed if they didn't use it. Thats all they really needed to know. [/quote]

[quote]The Angry One wrote...
Maybe if they hadn't wasted their time building it they could've prepared enough fleets to beat the Reapers properly.
[/quote] 

It wasn't a waste of time, it did what it was supposed to do. You made it a waste of time. 


[quote]The Angry One wrote...
My hands remain clean.
[/quote]  

Sure.



[quote]The Angry One wrote...
Everyone except the Geth. [/quote]

Yup. One species instead of all of them. Not a bad deal. 

Anyway this argument is seeming very pointless. Choose refuse all you want. Its a game. It means nothing.

Thank you for helping me pass the time. 

Modifié par ImperatorMortis, 04 juillet 2012 - 05:40 .

[carrmatt91]

The Genophage wrote...

carrmatt91 wrote...

The Genophage wrote...

carrmatt91 wrote...

The Genophage wrote...

Chaia wrote...

ImperatorMortis wrote...

The Genophage wrote...

How so? Is a united galaxy that will fight to the death for each other. I think that some would obviously oppose the idea, but some would be glad that they didn't commit major genocide to win a war and that they will fight to the death and not sell someone out.

I honestly don't mean to be rude, but this is so insanely naive that its making my head spin. 

You think anyone would care that they had to destroyed synthetics so everyone else can live. Really? 

This sense of comradery, and honor does not exist. People want to live. Thats all that matters to most people. 

-snip-

Indeed the level of loyality from some people on the threads towards the Geth is endearing, but it does come of somewhat naïve, what some people have seemly forgotten (if this has come up before, sorry, havn't read all 30 pages) but is that its only Shepard and his ME2 crew that have a close relationship with the Geth, and perhaps the Quarians if peace has been achieved between the two races.

Otherwise do people really think the adverage Asari, Turian, Salarian, Krogan etc etc is going too care about distroying race that was attacking the Citadel just two years ago (who were fighting for a Reaper) whilst watching their homeworlds burn and their families being slaughtered? 
Personally I think pretty much all of them would be shooting the tube, distorying the Reapers and Geth alike, without a backwards glance.

So lets say it was the Krogan, a lot of people still find them hostile, does it justify to kill them.

the salarians wanted to keep the genophage.

Does that mean its right, or does that justify it. 
Padok Wiks " We should let the evolutionary process do its job, not galactic politics"
<_<

right and wrong have no place in a war where every sentient being is fighting for its right to exist

Thats beside the point, "every sentient being is fighting for its right to exist" so why would you completely wipe one out. Your logic.

the geth along with edi are not a true sentient 'alive' ai unless you choose synthesis, and the closest the geth come to full sentience is after the reapers interfere.

and your saying that right and wrong are besides the point? then how is refuse any better as it's your morals that doom this cycle

and yeah, ive been up 36 hours straight, and people jump all over it when my logic slips...

Modifié par carrmatt91, 04 juillet 2012 - 05:39 .

[Shaigunjoe]

The Angry One wrote...

If it's no longer viable, and it's willing for destroy to be used, killing all Reapers, why can't it just stand down?

I think it still needs a solution in place, in it's eyes, standing down wouldn't solve the problem it was created to solve.

[Ryzaki]

The Genophage wrote...
I know its metagaming, but you were wrong, have you seen the slides when you cure the Genophage and Wrex is alive, its a thing of beauty.

My Shep can't know that though. So as far as he's concerned too risky. It's the same reason I save the Geth and have them defend themselves from the Quarians. My Shep has no way of knowing at the end of the game he's gonna have to kill the Geth to destroy the Reapers.

But yes I do love how Wrex dragged the Krogan to glory.

[Massa FX]

Bioware should lock this thread down. Anyone home? Hello?

[AxStapleton]

Massa FX wrote...

You know that everyone here is just repeating the same arguments over and over again. Is getting the last word that important? You are ALL right in your views. You cant sway anyone from their opinion on a forum. Write a blog or something to express your opinion and move along.

This is the way of BSN sadly. I would bet that this time next year, this argument (whether in the form of a new thread or not) would still be going on with the exact same points being argued.

[Psychlonus]

The Genophage wrote...

Psychlonus wrote...

The Genophage wrote...

Psychlonus wrote...

It has already been argued that you can't genocide synthetics. You can wipe them out temporarily, but they don't require biological material and don't require lineage; so you can't extinguish them like you can an organic species.

I myself choose control, not to kill the Geth, yes you can genocide synthetics, they are true AI, sentient machines.

If you chose to sacrifice a species, the best one to sacrifice is the only one that can recover from 'genocide'.

It won't be the same Geth, and that in a way its a headcannon.

I'm not the same human as my ancestors; but I require ancestors.

[The Genophage]

carrmatt91 wrote...

The Genophage wrote...

carrmatt91 wrote...

The Genophage wrote...

carrmatt91 wrote...

The Genophage wrote...

Chaia wrote...

ImperatorMortis wrote...

The Genophage wrote...

How so? Is a united galaxy that will fight to the death for each other. I think that some would obviously oppose the idea, but some would be glad that they didn't commit major genocide to win a war and that they will fight to the death and not sell someone out.

I honestly don't mean to be rude, but this is so insanely naive that its making my head spin. 

You think anyone would care that they had to destroyed synthetics so everyone else can live. Really? 

This sense of comradery, and honor does not exist. People want to live. Thats all that matters to most people. 

-snip-

Indeed the level of loyality from some people on the threads towards the Geth is endearing, but it does come of somewhat naïve, what some people have seemly forgotten (if this has come up before, sorry, havn't read all 30 pages) but is that its only Shepard and his ME2 crew that have a close relationship with the Geth, and perhaps the Quarians if peace has been achieved between the two races.

Otherwise do people really think the adverage Asari, Turian, Salarian, Krogan etc etc is going too care about distroying race that was attacking the Citadel just two years ago (who were fighting for a Reaper) whilst watching their homeworlds burn and their families being slaughtered? 
Personally I think pretty much all of them would be shooting the tube, distorying the Reapers and Geth alike, without a backwards glance.

So lets say it was the Krogan, a lot of people still find them hostile, does it justify to kill them.

the salarians wanted to keep the genophage.

Does that mean its right, or does that justify it. 
Padok Wiks " We should let the evolutionary process do its job, not galactic politics"
<_<

right and wrong have no place in a war where every sentient being is fighting for its right to exist

Thats beside the point, "every sentient being is fighting for its right to exist" so why would you completely wipe one out. Your logic.

the geth along with edi are not a true sentient 'alive' ai unless you choose synthesis, and the closest the geth come to full sentience is after the reapers interfere.

and your saying that right and wrong are besides the point? then how is refuse any better as it's your morals that doom this cycle

and yeah, ive been up 36 hours straight, and people jump all over it when my logic slips...

The Synthesis thing just contradicts everything because EDI told me she felt alive before I picked synthesis, we learned that with the Reaper upgrades Geth become True AI, and I meant to say your belief of whether theres a right or wrong, its an opinion not a fact. BTW cut down the pyramid next post.

[ImperatorMortis]

Massa FX wrote...

Bioware should lock this thread down. Anyone home? Hello?

You know you can just.. Ignore the thread? You do have this option. 

[The Genophage]

Ryzaki wrote...

The Genophage wrote...
I know its metagaming, but you were wrong, have you seen the slides when you cure the Genophage and Wrex is alive, its a thing of beauty.

My Shep can't know that though. So as far as he's concerned too risky. It's the same reason I save the Geth and have them defend themselves from the Quarians. My Shep has no way of knowing at the end of the game he's gonna have to kill the Geth to destroy the Reapers.

But yes I do love how Wrex dragged the Krogan to glory.

I understand, I made a big leap of faith because I trusted Wrex, him being my favorite squadmate.

[The Genophage]

ImperatorMortis wrote...

Massa FX wrote...

Bioware should lock this thread down. Anyone home? Hello?

You know you can just.. Ignore the thread? You do have this option. 

[The Genophage]

Psychlonus wrote...

The Genophage wrote...

Psychlonus wrote...

The Genophage wrote...

Psychlonus wrote...

It has already been argued that you can't genocide synthetics. You can wipe them out temporarily, but they don't require biological material and don't require lineage; so you can't extinguish them like you can an organic species.

I myself choose control, not to kill the Geth, yes you can genocide synthetics, they are true AI, sentient machines.

If you chose to sacrifice a species, the best one to sacrifice is the only one that can recover from 'genocide'.

It won't be the same Geth, and that in a way its a headcannon.

I'm not the same human as my ancestors; but I require ancestors.

I didn't quite get what you were trying to get across, reword it please. Also, again saying the Geth will be rebuild is headcannon.

[Ryzaki]

The Genophage wrote...
I understand, I made a big leap of faith because I trusted Wrex, him being my favorite squadmate.

It's not Wrex my Shep doesn't trust. It's the other Krogan. Sadly this results him having to kill Wrex.

"The other Krogan aren't like you Wrex! They live for war! I couldn't take that chance." 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 04 juillet 2012 - 05:46 .

[AxStapleton]

ImperatorMortis wrote...

Massa FX wrote...

Bioware should lock this thread down. Anyone home? Hello?

You know you can just.. Ignore the thread? You do have this option. 

It is quite hard when just about every other thread follows the exact same pattern as this one.

[Massa FX]

True. Unsubscribed.

[ImperatorMortis]

AxStapleton wrote...

ImperatorMortis wrote...

Massa FX wrote...

Bioware should lock this thread down. Anyone home? Hello?

You know you can just.. Ignore the thread? You do have this option. 

It is quite hard when just about every other thread follows the exact same pattern as this one.

Its not hard at all. 

If the title has "refusal" or "ending" in it then don't click on it. Nothing is forcing you to do so. 

[The Genophage]

Ryzaki wrote...

The Genophage wrote...
I understand, I made a big leap of faith because I trusted Wrex, him being my favorite squadmate.

It's not Wrex my Shep doesn't trust. It's the other Krogan. Sadly this results him having to kill Wrex.

"The other Krogan aren't like you Wrex! They live for war! I couldn't take that chance." 

I trusted Wrex would keep them under control, But i totally see your point of view.

[ImperatorMortis]

Ryzaki wrote...

The Genophage wrote...
I understand, I made a big leap of faith because I trusted Wrex, him being my favorite squadmate.

It's not Wrex my Shep doesn't trust. It's the other Krogan. Sadly this results him having to kill Wrex.

"The other Krogan aren't like you Wrex! They live for war! I couldn't take that chance." 

Pretty much why I chose the genophage as well. I trusted Wrex, but the other Krogan? No. Hell no. 

Wrex isn't gonna be around forever. It seems foolish for me to just rely on him.

I kind of wish I just killed Wrex or didn't recruit him in the first game. So I wouldn't feel so slimy because all the subterfuge in the Tuchanka mission.  

[Ryzaki]

The Genophage wrote...
I trusted Wrex would keep them under control, But i totally see your point of view.

Yup. One of the hardest choices my Shep had to make.

[SMichelle]

Gabylan001 wrote...

"It is better to die on your feet than live on your knees."

Conformity is the jailer of freedom and the enemy of growth.
- John F. Kennedy

There are no facts, only interpretations.
- Friedrich Nietzsche

Life is an exciting business, and most exciting when it is lived for others.
- Helen Keller


See, I can do it too.  Seriously.  How are you living on your knees if you make a choice?  Dying sounds all romantic - fighting the good fight and all.  But let's remember you are allowing all - ALL - advanced life to be wiped from existance.

Every man.  Every woman.  Every child is no more. 

My Shepard can live with her choice - and others will live because of her.

[Armass81]

So youre ok with the death of dozens of races over the death of geth, if you just refuse? At least we died free... i doubt trillions of dead people would have appreciated that, especially if victory was within our grasp...

Modifié par Armass81, 04 juillet 2012 - 05:55 .

[The Genophage]

SMichelle wrote...

Gabylan001 wrote...

"It is better to die on your feet than live on your knees."

Conformity is the jailer of freedom and the enemy of growth.
- John F. Kennedy

There are no facts, only interpretations.
- Friedrich Nietzsche

Life is an exciting business, and most exciting when it is lived for others.
- Helen Keller


See, I can do it too.  Seriously.  How are you living on your knees if you make a choice?  Dying sounds all romantic - fighting the good fight and all.  But let's remember you are allowing all - ALL - advanced life to be wiped from existance.

Every man.  Every woman.  Every child is no more. 

My Shepard can live with her choice - and others will live because of her.

You seem like one of those people who would anything just to stand up and live, even if it means losing humanity.