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[SMichelle]

KingNothing125 wrote...

Die free, huh?

I'd rather Live free. Shoot the tube.

LOGIC 

[Khajiit Jzargo]

Xilizhra wrote...

So we can win the war without commiting genocide, war crimes, etc? And don't call people trolls just because they dissagree with your opinion.

If killing all the Reapers isn't a crime, I doubt controlling all of the Reapers in Control would be considered such either. And even if you kill the geth in Destroy, they'd all die anyway in Refusal. Going down fighting isn't any better than going down not.

But they died by lossing, not because they were sacrificed after they became you allies just to ensure victory.

[Xilizhra]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

So we can win the war without commiting genocide, war crimes, etc? And don't call people trolls just because they dissagree with your opinion.

If killing all the Reapers isn't a crime, I doubt controlling all of the Reapers in Control would be considered such either. And even if you kill the geth in Destroy, they'd all die anyway in Refusal. Going down fighting isn't any better than going down not.

But they died by lossing, not because they were sacrificed after they became you allies just to ensure victory.

It doesn't matter. Not only are they just as dead either way, it's mentioned they can be rebuilt.

[KingNothing125]

I would ask those who chose not to use the Crucible if they would have also forsaken the atomic bombs, had they been President Truman.

Their use was undoubtedly an atrocity, but it secured total victory and probably ultimately saved a million lives or more, on both sides.

[Khajiit Jzargo]

KingNothing125 wrote...

Die free, huh?

I'd rather Live free. Shoot the tube.

Your not living free, you just commited genocide, a great war crime to win a war. 
Commiting Genocide to stop genocide is wrong.

[DEATHSCOPE]

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[quote]krukow wrote...

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[quote]krukow wrote...

Sweet, everyone else dies because you don't want to kill Joker's girlfriend.

Who still dies anyways.[/quote]Read the Thread.

[/quote]

I did, but fine.  If the themes of ME have been about overcoming all obstacles on your terms, then I assume you wanted Kaidan or Ashely to die on Virmire right?  Those were your terms?  BRILLIANT!

You let everyone die because you don't want to kill EDI.  Who dies anyways.  Good job.[/quote]Your comparing the death of one person and 1.5 billion geth, it doesn't make sense, and apperently you don't know the geth died.
[/quote]

The Geth only die if they're still alive.  And guess what, THEY DIE EITHER WAY!  Meanwhile, thanks to your "principles", the following also die:
All Quarians
All Turians
All Humans
All Salarians
All Asari
All remaining Batarians
All Drell
All Hanar
All Vorcha
All Krogan

Your Shepard is a coward who just sacrificed all of those listed so he can feel good about himself.
Good job.

Also, if you play as femshep, I apologize for using he/him.
[/quote]

OP doesn't realize that ALL wars have casulties. Killing the Geth is unfortunate indeed, but sacrifice one to save the many is alright with me.
[/quote]From my original post, Now there will always be casualties in war, but no one agreed to be sold
in order to win the war, furthermore committing genocide just for the fact to
ensure victory in the war because you’re afraid of extinction compromises the
agreement the galaxy agreed to, win this war together[/quote]

Win together or die together is your logic? Seriosuly? Like I said, as sentinece organics we are ALL interested in our own survival and will gratefully sacrifice one race (who are not even organics might I add) to prevent our own extinction. That's how the world works. Stop trying to prove otherwise.
[/quote]I disagree with that, as an united galaxy we made an agreement to fight the reapers, not commit genocide in the process.
[/quote]

Why fight united when in the end everybody dies anyway? All the races mentioned above are opted for extinction. That's your logic right there. Please stop trolling.
[/quote]So we don't  win the war by commiting genocide, war crimes, etc? And don't call people trolls just because they dissagree with your opinion.
[/quote]

You are still trolling. You want to kill all the Reapers, sentient beings themselves, but won't sacrifice the Geth.

[Khajiit Jzargo]

Xilizhra wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

So we can win the war without commiting genocide, war crimes, etc? And don't call people trolls just because they dissagree with your opinion.

If killing all the Reapers isn't a crime, I doubt controlling all of the Reapers in Control would be considered such either. And even if you kill the geth in Destroy, they'd all die anyway in Refusal. Going down fighting isn't any better than going down not.

But they died by lossing, not because they were sacrificed after they became you allies just to ensure victory.

It doesn't matter. Not only are they just as dead either way, it's mentioned they can be rebuilt.

When its it mentioned they can be rebuilt? Thats reaching for straws, if you can say that, then I can say my Cycle didn't fail when I choose refuse because a lot of them survived into the next cycle via stasis chambers.

[MisterJB]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
Your not living free, you just commited genocide, a great war crime to win a war. 
Commiting Genocide to stop genocide is wrong.

It's called "Warfare".

Do you think anyone comes out of war with clean hands?

[carrmatt91]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

So we can win the war without commiting genocide, war crimes, etc? And don't call people trolls just because they dissagree with your opinion.

If killing all the Reapers isn't a crime, I doubt controlling all of the Reapers in Control would be considered such either. And even if you kill the geth in Destroy, they'd all die anyway in Refusal. Going down fighting isn't any better than going down not.

But they died by lossing, not because they were sacrificed after they became you allies just to ensure victory.

what makes you think the geth are worth more than every other race combined? its the geth die or everyone dies, oh look i refuesed! the geth are still alive! yay! oh wait them and everyone else that could have been saved are going to die in the next few years...

theres no right choice in this, its either 1 dead race or many dead races, im pretty certain that every other council race and most other non council races would happily sacrifice the geth to ensure victory.

Modifié par carrmatt91, 03 juillet 2012 - 11:29 .

[Khajiit Jzargo]

[quote]DEATHSCOPE wrote...

[quote]Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

[quote]DEATHSCOPE wrote...

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[quote]DEATHSCOPE wrote...

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[quote]krukow wrote...

[quote]Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

[quote]krukow wrote...

[quote]Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

[quote]krukow wrote...

Sweet, everyone else dies because you don't want to kill Joker's girlfriend.

Who still dies anyways.[/quote]Read the Thread.

[/quote]

I did, but fine.  If the themes of ME have been about overcoming all obstacles on your terms, then I assume you wanted Kaidan or Ashely to die on Virmire right?  Those were your terms?  BRILLIANT!

You let everyone die because you don't want to kill EDI.  Who dies anyways.  Good job.[/quote]Your comparing the death of one person and 1.5 billion geth, it doesn't make sense, and apperently you don't know the geth died.
[/quote]

The Geth only die if they're still alive.  And guess what, THEY DIE EITHER WAY!  Meanwhile, thanks to your "principles", the following also die:
All Quarians
All Turians
All Humans
All Salarians
All Asari
All remaining Batarians
All Drell
All Hanar
All Vorcha
All Krogan

Your Shepard is a coward who just sacrificed all of those listed so he can feel good about himself.
Good job.

Also, if you play as femshep, I apologize for using he/him.
[/quote]

OP doesn't realize that ALL wars have casulties. Killing the Geth is unfortunate indeed, but sacrifice one to save the many is alright with me.
[/quote]From my original post, Now there will always be casualties in war, but no one agreed to be sold
in order to win the war, furthermore committing genocide just for the fact to
ensure victory in the war because you’re afraid of extinction compromises the
agreement the galaxy agreed to, win this war together[/quote]

Win together or die together is your logic? Seriosuly? Like I said, as sentinece organics we are ALL interested in our own survival and will gratefully sacrifice one race (who are not even organics might I add) to prevent our own extinction. That's how the world works. Stop trying to prove otherwise.
[/quote]I disagree with that, as an united galaxy we made an agreement to fight the reapers, not commit genocide in the process.
[/quote]

Why fight united when in the end everybody dies anyway? All the races mentioned above are opted for extinction. That's your logic right there. Please stop trolling.
[/quote]So we don't  win the war by commiting genocide, war crimes, etc? And don't call people trolls just because they dissagree with your opinion.
[/quote]

You are still trolling. You want to kill all the Reapers, sentient beings themselves, but won't sacrifice the Geth.[/quote]So im trolling because I don't want to commit Genocide of the Geth, who have around 1.5 billions people, and agreed to fight with me because im afraid of dying.? Ok.....sure there buddy.

[AlexMBrennan]

Of coure, baby. Of course.

For the love of cod...

You don’t know that unless you Metagame,
[...]
As a YouTuber, MrBtongue said, the story of the Crucible is
flawed and stupid

Hang on... either metagaming is good or bad, you can't have it both ways. Further, who is MrBtongue and why should I care about what he thinks... unless you're trying to appeal to authority here?

For the record, the story of the Crucible is not stupid - it is a necessary plot device to get us from the start of ME3 (Reapers invade an entirely unprepared galaxy) to the end of ME3 (Reapers are defeated). It could have been done better (e.g. based on analysis of Sovereign's remains, thus actually making ME1 relevant and done in ME2, making the time bought by stopping Arrival relevant).

Basically, ME is (nominally) "Shepard's story" - and there are two ways this can be achieved:
a) victory through Shepard's influence/connections/diplomatic skill: e.g. Shepard is the only one to be able to get geth, quarians, rachni and everybody else working together on some project which ultimately stops the Reapers. In this case, the ultimate nature of the project is irrelevant.
victory through an action that happened to be performed by Shepard (e.g. Shepard stopping Saren in ME1, Shepard pressing the red/green/blue button after talking to Godchild).

Thing is, whilst a) is clearly preferable, I don't think the end result would have been that much different - it would have been a virus, or the location of the Elder Reaper controlling the rest of the keystone army, or super thanix missiles for everyone. You'd assemble the fleet, meet the Reaper forces, deploy the plot device, and win.

So it's not the principle of the Crucible that's the problem, it's what it actually does - summoning Godchild. Be honest - would you still think that the Crucible was stupid and flawed if they had cut from the Crucible docking (and Shepard using the console) to the red explosion?

Finally, something I like pointing out: When Shepard is faced with the choice between the (up to) four endings, he knows that Everyone. Will. Die. if the Crucible doesn't magically wipe out the Reapers. There is no reason to think that the next cycle will fare any better with Liara's beacons than the current one did with the prothean beacons - it's not inconceivable, but there is no reason to think that it will happen; we know that there had been countless of cycles passing on information to the next cycle - thinking that the next cycle will break the pattern is no less unrealistic than thinking that the current one can.

Again, Everyone. Will. Die. unless you press the button. You don't know what it does, but what's the worst that could happen? If you can outsmart Godchild, you may even win.

Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 03 juillet 2012 - 11:30 .

[DEATHSCOPE]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

So we can win the war without commiting genocide, war crimes, etc? And don't call people trolls just because they dissagree with your opinion.

If killing all the Reapers isn't a crime, I doubt controlling all of the Reapers in Control would be considered such either. And even if you kill the geth in Destroy, they'd all die anyway in Refusal. Going down fighting isn't any better than going down not.

But they died by lossing, not because they were sacrificed after they became you allies just to ensure victory.

It doesn't matter. Not only are they just as dead either way, it's mentioned they can be rebuilt.

When its it mentioned they can be rebuilt? Thats reaching for straws, if you can say that, then I can say my Cycle didn't fail when I choose refuse because a lot of them survived into the next cycle via stasis chambers.

The irony.  
I choose refuse because a lot of them survived into the next cycle via stasis chambers. That's you reaching for straws too. Headcanon.

[SMichelle]

Xilizhra wrote...

So we can win the war without commiting genocide, war crimes, etc? And don't call people trolls just because they dissagree with your opinion.

If killing all the Reapers isn't a crime, I doubt controlling all of the Reapers in Control would be considered such either. And even if you kill the geth in Destroy, they'd all die anyway in Refusal. Going down fighting isn't any better than going down not.

But "Die Free!" and going down fighting sound cool!

Try it:  "Die Free!" "Go Down Fighting!"  Yippe Ki-Yay

Now This:....blam...blam...(that's my Shep shooting the red tube)  ....not nearly as cool.

[Khajiit Jzargo]

MisterJB wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
Your not living free, you just commited genocide, a great war crime to win a war. 
Commiting Genocide to stop genocide is wrong.

It's called "Warfare".

Do you think anyone comes out of war with clean hands?

Hell no, but "warfare" doesn't mean commit genocide on your allies to win.

[The Heretic of Time]

Refusal is the most pointless ending of them all.  You refuse to use the Crucible, only to die, so the next cycle can build the Crucible and use it anyway. Great job, you just sacrificed your entire cycle for nothing!  Derp.

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 03 juillet 2012 - 11:31 .

[Khajiit Jzargo]

DEATHSCOPE wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

So we can win the war without commiting genocide, war crimes, etc? And don't call people trolls just because they dissagree with your opinion.

If killing all the Reapers isn't a crime, I doubt controlling all of the Reapers in Control would be considered such either. And even if you kill the geth in Destroy, they'd all die anyway in Refusal. Going down fighting isn't any better than going down not.

But they died by lossing, not because they were sacrificed after they became you allies just to ensure victory.

It doesn't matter. Not only are they just as dead either way, it's mentioned they can be rebuilt.

When its it mentioned they can be rebuilt? Thats reaching for straws, if you can say that, then I can say my Cycle didn't fail when I choose refuse because a lot of them survived into the next cycle via stasis chambers.

The irony.  
I choose refuse because a lot of them survived into the next cycle via stasis chambers. That's you reaching for straws too. Headcanon.

Are you so paranoid and huffy that you can't even read what I wrote completely without trying to insult it? I said that if destroyers can say Geth can be rebuild, then I can say  that people survived. I'm personally not saying thats a fact.

[DEATHSCOPE]

[quote]Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

[quote]DEATHSCOPE wrote...

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[quote]Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

[quote]DEATHSCOPE wrote...

[quote]Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

[quote]DEATHSCOPE wrote...

[quote]krukow wrote...

[quote]Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

[quote]krukow wrote...

[quote]Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

[quote]krukow wrote...

Sweet, everyone else dies because you don't want to kill Joker's girlfriend.

Who still dies anyways.[/quote]Read the Thread.

[/quote]

I did, but fine.  If the themes of ME have been about overcoming all obstacles on your terms, then I assume you wanted Kaidan or Ashely to die on Virmire right?  Those were your terms?  BRILLIANT!

You let everyone die because you don't want to kill EDI.  Who dies anyways.  Good job.[/quote]Your comparing the death of one person and 1.5 billion geth, it doesn't make sense, and apperently you don't know the geth died.
[/quote]

The Geth only die if they're still alive.  And guess what, THEY DIE EITHER WAY!  Meanwhile, thanks to your "principles", the following also die:
All Quarians
All Turians
All Humans
All Salarians
All Asari
All remaining Batarians
All Drell
All Hanar
All Vorcha
All Krogan

Your Shepard is a coward who just sacrificed all of those listed so he can feel good about himself.
Good job.

Also, if you play as femshep, I apologize for using he/him.
[/quote]

OP doesn't realize that ALL wars have casulties. Killing the Geth is unfortunate indeed, but sacrifice one to save the many is alright with me.
[/quote]From my original post, Now there will always be casualties in war, but no one agreed to be sold
in order to win the war, furthermore committing genocide just for the fact to
ensure victory in the war because you’re afraid of extinction compromises the
agreement the galaxy agreed to, win this war together[/quote]

Win together or die together is your logic? Seriosuly? Like I said, as sentinece organics we are ALL interested in our own survival and will gratefully sacrifice one race (who are not even organics might I add) to prevent our own extinction. That's how the world works. Stop trying to prove otherwise.
[/quote]I disagree with that, as an united galaxy we made an agreement to fight the reapers, not commit genocide in the process.
[/quote]

Why fight united when in the end everybody dies anyway? All the races mentioned above are opted for extinction. That's your logic right there. Please stop trolling.
[/quote]So we don't  win the war by commiting genocide, war crimes, etc? And don't call people trolls just because they dissagree with your opinion.
[/quote]

You are still trolling. You want to kill all the Reapers, sentient beings themselves, but won't sacrifice the Geth.[/quote]So im trolling because I don't want to commit Genocide of the Geth, who have around 1.5 billions people, and agreed to fight with me because im afraid of dying.? Ok.....sure there buddy.
[/quote]

You are a true hero then. Someone who aren't afraid to die. Unfortunately, everybody else in the galaxy is. And your stubborness caused them all to die. Good job.

[Han Shot First]

Reason why Refusal is *NOT* the right ending: You lose.

/thread

Modifié par Han Shot First, 03 juillet 2012 - 11:32 .

[MisterJB]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
Hell no, but "warfare" doesn't mean commit genocide on your allies to win.

In war, you do whatever it takes to survive. I don't pick Destroy but sacrificing one race so all others might live is the right choice.

Sacrificing the entire galaxy on the altar of your convictions on the other hand...

[KingNothing125]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Your not living free, you just commited genocide, a great war crime to win a war. 
Commiting Genocide to stop genocide is wrong.

I'm not committing genocide. There are no Geth civilians. All the Geth are participating in this galactic war. In war, you have to make sacrifices. You order people to their deaths. You charge a line or you defend a hill, knowing you will lose soldiers under your command.

The Crucible killing the Geth is unfortunate collateral damage.



And freakin' seriously, people, enough with the quote pyramids. It's enough to make me never want to come back to this thread.

[Khajiit Jzargo]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Of coure, baby. Of course.

For the love of cod...

You don’t know that unless you Metagame,
[...]
As a YouTuber, MrBtongue said, the story of the Crucible is
flawed and stupid

Hang on... either metagaming is good or bad, you can't have it both ways. Further, who is MrBtongue and why should I care about what he thinks... unless you're trying to appeal to authority here?

For the record, the story of the Crucible is not stupid - it is a necessary plot device to get us from the start of ME3 (Reapers invade an entirely unprepared galaxy) to the end of ME3 (Reapers are defeated). It could have been done better (e.g. based on analysis of Sovereign's remains, thus actually making ME1 relevant and done in ME2, making the time bought by stopping Arrival relevant).

Basically, ME is (nominally) "Shepard's story" - and there are two ways this can be achieved:
a) victory through Shepard's influence/connections/diplomatic skill: e.g. Shepard is the only one to be able to get geth, quarians, rachni and everybody else working together on some project which ultimately stops the Reapers. In this case, the ultimate nature of the project is irrelevant.
victory through an action that happened to be performed by Shepard (e.g. Shepard stopping Saren in ME1, Shepard pressing the red/green/blue button after talking to Godchild).

Thing is, whilst a) is clearly preferable, I don't think the end result would have been that much different - it would have been a virus, or the location of the Elder Reaper controlling the rest of the keystone army, or super thanix missiles for everyone. You'd assemble the fleet, meet the Reaper forces, deploy the plot device, and win.

So it's not the principle of the Crucible that's the problem, it's what it actually does - summoning Godchild. Be honest - would you still think that the Crucible was stupid and flawed if they had cut from the Crucible docking (and Shepard using the console) to the red explosion?

Finally, something I like pointing out: When Shepard is faced with the choice between the (up to) four endings, he knows that Everyone. Will. Die. if the Crucible doesn't magically wipe out the Reapers. There is no reason to think that the next cycle will fare any better with Liara's beacons than the current one did with the prothean beacons - it's not inconceivable, but there is no reason to think that it will happen; we know that there had been countless of cycles passing on information to the next cycle - thinking that the next cycle will break the pattern is no less unrealistic than thinking that the current one can.

Again, Everyone. Will. Die. unless you press the button. You don't know what it does, but what's the worst that could happen? If you can outsmart Godchild, you may even win.

You make some fair points. I pointed out the youtuber because he explains spot on with no exception why the crucible is flawed. Anyway i can see it from you point of view, My Shepard does believe the cycle would have been stopped with the information we gathered.

[Khajiit Jzargo]

SMichelle wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

So we can win the war without commiting genocide, war crimes, etc? And don't call people trolls just because they dissagree with your opinion.

If killing all the Reapers isn't a crime, I doubt controlling all of the Reapers in Control would be considered such either. And even if you kill the geth in Destroy, they'd all die anyway in Refusal. Going down fighting isn't any better than going down not.

But "Die Free!" and going down fighting sound cool!

Try it:  "Die Free!" "Go Down Fighting!"  Yippe Ki-Yay

Now This:....blam...blam...(that's my Shep shooting the red tube)  ....not nearly as cool.

Im pretty sure Destroy is the fan favorite around here, don't you think?

[Lukanp]

What interests me about the Reject option is why is everyone so optimistic about putting our fate in the next cycle at all. To clarify I've seen the epilogue and I'm aware it actually worked, but since some community members question Shepards perception and reasoning if he decides to use the Destroy option, claiming he shouldn't have trusted the AI even in spite of the fact that it's obviously changed by the Cruciable, I'd like to point out a simillar problem with The Reject Ending.

My question is, why is everyone so utterly convinced to put our faith in the civilisations next cycle when countless ones before us were unable to end the threat. For what we know our chance to actually do something about it might be completely unique and there won't be another one for generations. Now I understand that these hopes resonate around the time capsule Liara constructed, but personally I'm not that convinced that it's enough to ensure a long term victory. You see, Protheans had beacons as well, and quite a few I might add, they had underground shelters and a plan of survival. Granted, they failed at it for the most part but still managed to get the message across to us. If you think about it mayby therey weren't as united as the civilisations of this cycle military wise, but they sure as hell had a better survival plan put in motion. The problem is, a lot can happen during 50 thousand years, everything from environmental problems to hardware failure. The advantage we have over the Protheans is we had all of our knowledge stored ona single disk, but that's also why a potentail failure would be so devastatic. For what we know mayby someone else used this method in the previous cycles and it failed as well.

Bottom line is, it's such a gamble to rest our hopes on this method. Can we really risk the fate of future generations on a fragile piece of technology? The prothean beacons were meant to be durable as well yet we managed to stumble upon them by mear chance. For me it's a bit of a long shot, especially when you have the chance to end the cycle once and for all right here now. After all, a single man's conscience is a small price to pay in comparison to the lives trillions.

[AlexMBrennan]

so the next cycle can build the Crucible and use it anyway

*Sigh* You do not know this.

We know that
a) one of Liara's beacons surived
and
the information allowed those that found it (female stargazer) to win against the Reapers

That is literally all we know (yeah, clarity... more speculation for everyone!). There is any number of things they could have done to win that wouldn't involve building the Crucible - find a fatal flaw in the Reaper's design based on Sovereign's scans after a few millennia of analysis

[DEATHSCOPE]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

DEATHSCOPE wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

So we can win the war without commiting genocide, war crimes, etc? And don't call people trolls just because they dissagree with your opinion.

If killing all the Reapers isn't a crime, I doubt controlling all of the Reapers in Control would be considered such either. And even if you kill the geth in Destroy, they'd all die anyway in Refusal. Going down fighting isn't any better than going down not.

But they died by lossing, not because they were sacrificed after they became you allies just to ensure victory.

It doesn't matter. Not only are they just as dead either way, it's mentioned they can be rebuilt.

When its it mentioned they can be rebuilt? Thats reaching for straws, if you can say that, then I can say my Cycle didn't fail when I choose refuse because a lot of them survived into the next cycle via stasis chambers.

The irony.  
I choose refuse because a lot of them survived into the next cycle via stasis chambers. That's you reaching for straws too. Headcanon.

Are you so paranoid and huffy that you can't even read what I wrote completely without trying to insult it? I said that if destroyers can say Geth can be rebuild, then I can say  that people survived. I'm personally not saying thats a fact.

But if you throw all the headcanons out the window, fact is at the end of the day, everybody dies in refusal. In destroy, control, and synthesis, however, everybody is still alive. Mostly.