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[Khajiit Jzargo]

babachewie wrote...

Oh geez this guy again. Arguing the same crap he was the other day. Move along.

Who are you, should i recognise from anywhere?

[carrmatt91]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
So you believe just because Anderson and Hackett thinks its right, it makes it right. OK.

and you think condemning every sentient race youv'e met save a few to death, including the geth is right because shepard thinks its morally right to let everyone die fighting? seems legit.

im leaving this thread, i see your not going to listen to reason.

 
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[Khajiit Jzargo]

carrmatt91 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
So you believe just because Anderson and Hackett thinks its right, it makes it right. OK.

and you think condemning every sentient race youv'e met save a few to death, including the geth is right because shepard thinks its morally right to let everyone die fighting? seems legit.

im leaving this thread, i see your not going to listen to reason.

 
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I'm not condemming anyone, I'm fighting the Reapers.

[The Heretic of Time]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

I'm not condemming anyone, I'm fighting the Reapers.

You're not fighting the reapers, you're giving up.

[Xilizhra]

I'm not condemming anyone, I'm fighting the Reapers.

Not really; you gave up.

[v TricKy v]

nitefyre410 wrote...

Why is that nearly everyone on the BSN feels the need to make the ending the choose they "Right" ending where there IS no "right"

give it up

Im asking myself that question everytime a synthesis or refuse thread pops up. Its like people want to act superior in some way

[Hendrik.III]

Die free doesn't mean a g-damn thing. Dead is dead. There is no freedom in death.

Choosing death over life for a principle, so often showed in movies and books, is the stupidest thing you can do. Freedom is but an illusion anyway. There's no glory in dying like an idiot when you could have saved trillions of people including yourself. Survival is the only thing that counts - since death will find you one day anyway. There's no reason not to try the alternative. You'd better pick a colour, soldier!

[Khajiit Jzargo]

Xilizhra wrote...

I'm not condemming anyone, I'm fighting the Reapers.

Not really; you gave up.

Explain how, I agreed to fight the Reapers, by rejecting the Catalyst options, I'm fighting with him and the Reapers, so how did I give up?

[Fauxnormal]

I am so glad to see 90% of people mocking this pathetic 'rationalizing attempt.'

[Xilizhra]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I'm not condemming anyone, I'm fighting the Reapers.

Not really; you gave up.

Explain how, I agreed to fight the Reapers, by rejecting the Catalyst options, I'm fighting with him and the Reapers, so how did I give up?

Feel free to show me in-game what you actually did after refusing.

[Khajiit Jzargo]

Hendrik.III wrote...

Die free doesn't mean a g-damn thing. Dead is dead. There is no freedom in death.

Choosing death over life for a principle, so often showed in movies and books, is the stupidest thing you can do. Freedom is but an illusion anyway. There's no glory in dying like an idiot when you could have saved trillions of people including yourself. Survival is the only thing that counts - since death will find you one day anyway. There's no reason not to try the alternative. You'd better pick a colour, soldier!

There is more to life than Survival.

[Khajiit Jzargo]

Xilizhra wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I'm not condemming anyone, I'm fighting the Reapers.

Not really; you gave up.

Explain how, I agreed to fight the Reapers, by rejecting the Catalyst options, I'm fighting with him and the Reapers, so how did I give up?

Feel free to show me in-game what you actually did after refusing.

It's it my fault BW coudln't include a proper scene of what happens?

[dweller]

So you're basing your opinion of what the entire galaxy wants on what? Where did the population of the entire galaxy state that they want to defeat the Reapers ONLY on their terms?

You think every man, woman and child in the galaxy would agree with your opinion? You don't think they would rather live instead of "dying free"?

Seriously dude, you've got a choice here: sacrifice the Geth and EDI and save everyone else, or do nothing and let them all die because you were afraid of doing something immoral. Yes, afraid. Say it however you want, it doesn't change the fact that you were scared of doing something simply because it wasn't a pure paragon choice.

Your choice of inaction is an action in itself, because you chose a fourth path on your own, and in that case I believe I can safely say that refusal is the most renegade action of all, because it embodies selfishness more than any other choice that's given to you.

Sometimes you just have to step up and take responsibility for everyone else, however wrong it might seem at first. Letting an entire galaxy die because you don't want to dirty your hands by killing a race is irresponsibility and selfishness at its best.

Modifié par dweller, 04 juillet 2012 - 12:22 .

[Master_Smurf]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I'm not condemming anyone, I'm fighting the Reapers.

Not really; you gave up.

Explain how, I agreed to fight the Reapers, by rejecting the Catalyst options, I'm fighting with him and the Reapers, so how did I give up?

You're about to keel over and die, everyone you know and many more are about to get harvested and the only species left behind will be the non-space frearing ones.

All that you were so righteously fighting for, all the people that believed in you and came together to assist you are about to become reaper building blocks.

[Allaiya]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

AlexMBrennan wrote...

so the next cycle can build the Crucible and use it anyway

*Sigh* You do not know this.

We know that
a) one of Liara's beacons surived
and
the information allowed those that found it (female stargazer) to win against the Reapers

That is literally all we know (yeah, clarity... more speculation for everyone!). There is any number of things they could have done to win that wouldn't involve building the Crucible - find a fatal flaw in the Reaper's design based on Sovereign's scans after a few millennia of analysis

Not true.

The new stargazer scene in refusal specifically says that because of Liara's archives, they did not have to fight a war.

Let that sink in for a moment. They did NOT fight a war. That means they've defeated the Reapers without fighting them. How? With the Crucible of course. The BioWare devs confirmed it.

The next cycle after ours used the Crucible if Shepard didn't. Just deal with it. 

Liara also says that the crucible did not work in stopping the reapers. So either the cycle found another way to stop them or they put their faith in something that they were told did not work.

[DEATHSCOPE]

[/quote]Because we stuck to our agreement and didn't betray it. Shepard stays true to her principles, refuses to compromise and places her trust in her current cycle not to want victory at any cost, and the cycles to come to defeat the Reapers without having to compromise[/quote]

I don't even know why I'm still here but here goes.

Shepard killed 300,000 Batarians, just to halt the Reapers' advances. Just to slow them down. 300,000 dead. Victory at all costs is a underlying theme throughout all three games. Leaving a squadmate behind on Virmire, etc. Refusing does not fit with Shepard's character.

[Xilizhra]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I'm not condemming anyone, I'm fighting the Reapers.

Not really; you gave up.

Explain how, I agreed to fight the Reapers, by rejecting the Catalyst options, I'm fighting with him and the Reapers, so how did I give up?

Feel free to show me in-game what you actually did after refusing.

It's it my fault BW coudln't include a proper scene of what happens?

Clearly your Shepard had no better ideas. Probably because there weren't any.

[Khajiit Jzargo]

dweller wrote...

So you're basing your opinion on what the entire galaxy wants on what? Where did the population of the entire galaxy state that they want to defeat the Reapers ONLY on their terms?

You think every man, woman and child in the galaxy would agree with your opinion? You don't think they would rather live instead of "dying free"?

Seriously dude, you've got a choice here: sacrifice the Geth and EDI and save everyone else, or do nothing and let them all die because you were afraid of doing something immoral. Yes, afraid. Say it however you want, it doesn't change the fact that you were scared of doing something simply because it wasn't a pure paragon choice.

Your choice of inaction is an action in itself, because you chose a fourth path on your own, and in that case I believe I can safely say that refusal is the most renegade action of all, because it embodies selfishness more than any other choice that's given to you.

Sometimes you just have to step up and take responsibility for everyone else, however wrong it might seem at first. Letting an entire galaxy die because you don't want to dirty your hands by killing a race is irresponsibility and selfishness at its best.

If the entire galaxy rather die than to sacrifice anyone, then yeah, I'm basing my opinion on what the Galaxy wants....We're in this till the end.

Modifié par Khajiit Jzargo, 04 juillet 2012 - 12:21 .

[Khajiit Jzargo]

[quote]DEATHSCOPE wrote...

[/quote]Because we stuck to our agreement and didn't betray it. Shepard stays true to her principles, refuses to compromise and places her trust in her current cycle not to want victory at any cost, and the cycles to come to defeat the Reapers without having to compromise[/quote]

I don't even know why I'm still here but here goes.

Shepard killed 300,000 Batarians, just to halt the Reapers' advances. Just to slow them down. 300,000 dead. Victory at all costs is a underlying theme throughout all three games. Leaving a squadmate behind on Virmire, etc. Refusing does not fit with Shepard's character.
[/quote]For one My shep never did that, I never downloaded Arrival, secondly 300,000 does not equal 1.5 billion.

[SMichelle]

Master_Smurf wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I'm not condemming anyone, I'm fighting the Reapers.

Not really; you gave up.

Explain how, I agreed to fight the Reapers, by rejecting the Catalyst options, I'm fighting with him and the Reapers, so how did I give up?

You're about to keel over and die, everyone you know and many more are about to get harvested and the only species left behind will be the non-space frearing ones.

All that you were so righteously fighting for, all the people that believed in you and came together to assist you are about to become reaper building blocks.

Maybe being a Reaper isn't so bad.  They've got cool laser beams and everything! 

[DEATHSCOPE]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Hendrik.III wrote...

Die free doesn't mean a g-damn thing. Dead is dead. There is no freedom in death.

Choosing death over life for a principle, so often showed in movies and books, is the stupidest thing you can do. Freedom is but an illusion anyway. There's no glory in dying like an idiot when you could have saved trillions of people including yourself. Survival is the only thing that counts - since death will find you one day anyway. There's no reason not to try the alternative. You'd better pick a colour, soldier!

There is more to life than Survival.

How? If you're being led to extinction, survival means more than anything.

[babachewie]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

babachewie wrote...

Oh geez this guy again. Arguing the same crap he was the other day. Move along.

Who are you, should i recognise from anywhere?

yeah I was the guy who spanked you and your dumb reasoning along with a bunch of other people a couple days ago. I'd try to block out the beating you took as well if I was you.

[dweller]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

dweller wrote...

So you're basing your opinion on what the entire galaxy wants on what? Where did the population of the entire galaxy state that they want to defeat the Reapers ONLY on their terms?

You think every man, woman and child in the galaxy would agree with your opinion? You don't think they would rather live instead of "dying free"?

Seriously dude, you've got a choice here: sacrifice the Geth and EDI and save everyone else, or do nothing and let them all die because you were afraid of doing something immoral. Yes, afraid. Say it however you want, it doesn't change the fact that you were scared of doing something simply because it wasn't a pure paragon choice.

Your choice of inaction is an action in itself, because you chose a fourth path on your own, and in that case I believe I can safely say that refusal is the most renegade action of all, because it embodies selfishness more than any other choice that's given to you.

Sometimes you just have to step up and take responsibility for everyone else, however wrong it might seem at first. Letting an entire galaxy die because you don't want to dirty your hands by killing a race is irresponsibility and selfishness at its best.

If the entire galaxy rather die than to sacrifice anyone, then yeah, I'm basing my opinion on what the Galaxy wants....We're in this till the end.

please reread my post, I think you misunderstood it, so I changed it a little to be 100% sure... where did you get the information that the entire galaxy, or at least let's say... a majority of it would rather die "free" than live with the consequences of the "Destroy" ending?

Modifié par dweller, 04 juillet 2012 - 12:24 .

[Khajiit Jzargo]

Master_Smurf wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I'm not condemming anyone, I'm fighting the Reapers.

Not really; you gave up.

Explain how, I agreed to fight the Reapers, by rejecting the Catalyst options, I'm fighting with him and the Reapers, so how did I give up?

You're about to keel over and die, everyone you know and many more are about to get harvested and the only species left behind will be the non-space frearing ones.

All that you were so righteously fighting for, all the people that believed in you and came together to assist you are about to become reaper building blocks.

I'm sure they rather die as united galaxy than to sell someone out.

[Butane9000]

Refusal = long game, entrusting future cycles with the knowledge to prepare and defeat the reapers through conventional means.

Destroy = Instant kills all reapers across the galaxy killing only the Geth and EDI who can both be rebuilt. While they won't be the same their sacrifice won't necessarily be final.