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[dweller]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

dweller wrote...

DEATHSCOPE wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Master_Smurf wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I'm not condemming anyone, I'm fighting the Reapers.

Not really; you gave up.

Explain how, I agreed to fight the Reapers, by rejecting the Catalyst options, I'm fighting with him and the Reapers, so how did I give up?

You're about to keel over and die, everyone you know and many more are about to get harvested and the only species left behind will be the non-space frearing ones.

All that you were so righteously fighting for, all the people that believed in you and came together to assist you are about to become reaper building blocks.

I'm sure they rather die as united galaxy than to sell someone out.

No they wouldn't. The Salarians and the Turians even sterilized the Krogan when they thought they couldn't win. They would happily sell out the Geth if it means winning.

I agree with this.

Just imagine a conversation with Hackett during the time you were deciding which ending to choose...

Do you think he'd say something along the lines of:
"So we can survive if we kill the geth and EDI? Ah screw it, I'd rather die than live with that."
or:
"Listen, I know it's a difficult choice, but the lives of the entire galaxy are riding on your decision. Don't make us all die based on your assumptions of what everyone wants and because you didn't want to dirty your hands."

Hell I believe even the geth would agree to this in order to save everyone. Don't be so irrational.

Just because one person out everyone agrees its should be done, doesn't mean the rest of the people do. Just like american civilians didn't believe in the vietnam wars even though nixon did.

For the 5th. F***ing. Time. 

Point me to the video that shows the cutscene where the galaxy agreed to your "we'd rather die free" bull.

Modifié par dweller, 04 juillet 2012 - 12:38 .

[Ryzaki]

If you guys really want to bleet over what the galaxy agreed to the only ending that is REMOTELY agreed on is Destroy.

[Khajiit Jzargo]

dweller wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

dweller wrote...

DEATHSCOPE wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Master_Smurf wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I'm not condemming anyone, I'm fighting the Reapers.

Not really; you gave up.

Explain how, I agreed to fight the Reapers, by rejecting the Catalyst options, I'm fighting with him and the Reapers, so how did I give up?

You're about to keel over and die, everyone you know and many more are about to get harvested and the only species left behind will be the non-space frearing ones.

All that you were so righteously fighting for, all the people that believed in you and came together to assist you are about to become reaper building blocks.

I'm sure they rather die as united galaxy than to sell someone out.

No they wouldn't. The Salarians and the Turians even sterilized the Krogan when they thought they couldn't win. They would happily sell out the Geth if it means winning.

I agree with this.

Just imagine a conversation with Hackett during the time you were deciding which ending to choose...

Do you think he'd say something along the lines of:
"So we can survive if we kill the geth and EDI? Ah screw it, I'd rather die than live with that."
or:
"Listen, I know it's a difficult choice, but the lives of the entire galaxy are riding on your decision. Don't make us all die based on your assumptions of what everyone wants and because you didn't want to dirty your hands."

Hell I believe even the geth would agree to this in order to save everyone. Don't be so irrational.

Just because one person out everyone agrees its should be done, doesn't mean the rest of the people do. Just like american civilians didn't believe in the vietnam wars even though nixon did.

For the 5th. F***ing. Time. 

Point me to the video that shows the cutscene where the galaxy agreed to your "we'd rather die free" bull.

Point to me to the video that shows the cutscene where the galaxy agreed to your" we'd rather commit genocide to live free" bull.

[Esquin]

Ryzaki wrote...

DEATHSCOPE wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

DEATHSCOPE wrote...

Yes, but only a few. That seems to include OP, but for most sentience species, survival is everything.

And Shepard might be one of those people. It doesn't make him self righteous automatically. Naive? Maybe. Idealistic? DEFINTELY. But by means self righteous is automatic from making the refuse choice. For all we know Shep might be paranoid it's a big reaper trap after he sees starbrat. Maybe he's wrong. So what. Doesn't make him self righteous just paranoid (in that situation).

Good point. I see what you did there. 

LOL (surprised you could understand that with the rambling way I posted it).

Honestly I spent most of the game hoping it was a Reaper trap. But then my face when I realized it was legit. Then the starbrat...and then I think my poor brain broke.

No see that's the thing. The only reason to assume the crucible is legit is because a REAPER tells you it is. Why on earth would you trust anything that a reaper says to you?

That's what this comes down to. In that moment, standing there with the catalyst you have no reason at all to believe that anything it is saying is the truth. It admits to being a reaper. There is no reason to believe that the options it offers are legitimate. Or that anything it tells you about those options is the truth. In fact it's more likely that it's lying to you and this is another manipulation so that the reapers can control you. 

The only logial option is to walk away from what is obviously a trap. Forget what happens in the endings. You don't get to make chocies using hind sight. There, in that moment, the only real option is to assume that the crucible is a reaper trap. 

[DEATHSCOPE]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

dweller wrote...

DEATHSCOPE wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Master_Smurf wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I'm not condemming anyone, I'm fighting the Reapers.

Not really; you gave up.

Explain how, I agreed to fight the Reapers, by rejecting the Catalyst options, I'm fighting with him and the Reapers, so how did I give up?

You're about to keel over and die, everyone you know and many more are about to get harvested and the only species left behind will be the non-space frearing ones.

All that you were so righteously fighting for, all the people that believed in you and came together to assist you are about to become reaper building blocks.

I'm sure they rather die as united galaxy than to sell someone out.

No they wouldn't. The Salarians and the Turians even sterilized the Krogan when they thought they couldn't win. They would happily sell out the Geth if it means winning.

I agree with this.

Just imagine a conversation with Hackett during the time you were deciding which ending to choose...

Do you think he'd say something along the lines of:
"So we can survive if we kill the geth and EDI? Ah screw it, I'd rather die than live with that."
or:
"Listen, I know it's a difficult choice, but the lives of the entire galaxy are riding on your decision. Don't make us all die based on your assumptions of what everyone wants and because you didn't want to dirty your hands."

Hell I believe even the geth would agree to this in order to save everyone. Don't be so irrational.

Just because one person out everyone agrees its should be done, doesn't mean the rest of the people do. Just like american civilians didn't believe in the vietnam wars even though nixon did.

Oh my god. You are just contradicting yourself.

Replace Nixon with Shepard, Shepard believes in refusal, the rest of the people in the galaxy doesn't. Yet, you want to make that decision for them? Seriously man?

[Khajiit Jzargo]

DEATHSCOPE wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

dweller wrote...

DEATHSCOPE wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Master_Smurf wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I'm not condemming anyone, I'm fighting the Reapers.

Not really; you gave up.

Explain how, I agreed to fight the Reapers, by rejecting the Catalyst options, I'm fighting with him and the Reapers, so how did I give up?

You're about to keel over and die, everyone you know and many more are about to get harvested and the only species left behind will be the non-space frearing ones.

All that you were so righteously fighting for, all the people that believed in you and came together to assist you are about to become reaper building blocks.

I'm sure they rather die as united galaxy than to sell someone out.

No they wouldn't. The Salarians and the Turians even sterilized the Krogan when they thought they couldn't win. They would happily sell out the Geth if it means winning.

I agree with this.

Just imagine a conversation with Hackett during the time you were deciding which ending to choose...

Do you think he'd say something along the lines of:
"So we can survive if we kill the geth and EDI? Ah screw it, I'd rather die than live with that."
or:
"Listen, I know it's a difficult choice, but the lives of the entire galaxy are riding on your decision. Don't make us all die based on your assumptions of what everyone wants and because you didn't want to dirty your hands."

Hell I believe even the geth would agree to this in order to save everyone. Don't be so irrational.

Just because one person out everyone agrees its should be done, doesn't mean the rest of the people do. Just like american civilians didn't believe in the vietnam wars even though nixon did.

Oh my god. You are just contradicting yourself.

Replace Nixon with Shepard, Shepard believes in refusal, the rest of the people in the galaxy doesn't. Yet, you want to make that decision for them? Seriously man?

In my opinion the galaxy does agree in refusal, who are you to say they agree on destroy for that logic.

[babachewie]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

dweller wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

dweller wrote...

DEATHSCOPE wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Master_Smurf wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I'm not condemming anyone, I'm fighting the Reapers.

Not really; you gave up.

Explain how, I agreed to fight the Reapers, by rejecting the Catalyst options, I'm fighting with him and the Reapers, so how did I give up?

You're about to keel over and die, everyone you know and many more are about to get harvested and the only species left behind will be the non-space frearing ones.

All that you were so righteously fighting for, all the people that believed in you and came together to assist you are about to become reaper building blocks.

I'm sure they rather die as united galaxy than to sell someone out.

No they wouldn't. The Salarians and the Turians even sterilized the Krogan when they thought they couldn't win. They would happily sell out the Geth if it means winning.

I agree with this.

Just imagine a conversation with Hackett during the time you were deciding which ending to choose...

Do you think he'd say something along the lines of:
"So we can survive if we kill the geth and EDI? Ah screw it, I'd rather die than live with that."
or:
"Listen, I know it's a difficult choice, but the lives of the entire galaxy are riding on your decision. Don't make us all die based on your assumptions of what everyone wants and because you didn't want to dirty your hands."

Hell I believe even the geth would agree to this in order to save everyone. Don't be so irrational.

Just because one person out everyone agrees its should be done, doesn't mean the rest of the people do. Just like american civilians didn't believe in the vietnam wars even though nixon did.

For the 5th. F***ing. Time. 

Point me to the video that shows the cutscene where the galaxy agreed to your "we'd rather die free" bull.

Point to me to the video that shows the cutscene where the galaxy agreed to your" we'd rather commit genocide to live free" bull.

how bout that they already agreed to it once when worst came to worst with the Rachni. The Rachni are no better than the Geth. They're sentient beings and all that garbage. They did it anyway to win. 

[Fauxnormal]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I'm not condemming anyone, I'm fighting the Reapers.

Not really; you gave up.

Explain how, I agreed to fight the Reapers, by rejecting the Catalyst options, I'm fighting with him and the Reapers, so how did I give up?

TROLLLLL LOOOOGGGIIIICCCCC

[dweller]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

dweller wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

dweller wrote...

DEATHSCOPE wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Master_Smurf wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I'm not condemming anyone, I'm fighting the Reapers.

Not really; you gave up.

Explain how, I agreed to fight the Reapers, by rejecting the Catalyst options, I'm fighting with him and the Reapers, so how did I give up?

You're about to keel over and die, everyone you know and many more are about to get harvested and the only species left behind will be the non-space frearing ones.

All that you were so righteously fighting for, all the people that believed in you and came together to assist you are about to become reaper building blocks.

I'm sure they rather die as united galaxy than to sell someone out.

No they wouldn't. The Salarians and the Turians even sterilized the Krogan when they thought they couldn't win. They would happily sell out the Geth if it means winning.

I agree with this.

Just imagine a conversation with Hackett during the time you were deciding which ending to choose...

Do you think he'd say something along the lines of:
"So we can survive if we kill the geth and EDI? Ah screw it, I'd rather die than live with that."
or:
"Listen, I know it's a difficult choice, but the lives of the entire galaxy are riding on your decision. Don't make us all die based on your assumptions of what everyone wants and because you didn't want to dirty your hands."

Hell I believe even the geth would agree to this in order to save everyone. Don't be so irrational.

Just because one person out everyone agrees its should be done, doesn't mean the rest of the people do. Just like american civilians didn't believe in the vietnam wars even though nixon did.

For the 5th. F***ing. Time. 

Point me to the video that shows the cutscene where the galaxy agreed to your "we'd rather die free" bull.

Point to me to the video that shows the cutscene where the galaxy agreed to your" we'd rather commit genocide to live free" bull.

They don't. That's been exactly my point this entire time. 

All this time you've been claiming your choice is better because the galaxy agrees with you. Finally, you admit it doesn't.

Now please, think about it. You have to make a choice that will have an impact throughout the entire galaxy. Do you SERIOUSLY believe that you have the right to doom everyone to death because YOU think they would rather go out that way, or make the hard, seemingly immoral though obviously better for the greater good choice of sacrificing a race to let them live?

You have to make that choice, and the entire galaxy's fate is now your responsibility. Don't act rashly based on your selfish moral needs.

[Khajiit Jzargo]

Fauxnormal wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I'm not condemming anyone, I'm fighting the Reapers.

Not really; you gave up.

Explain how, I agreed to fight the Reapers, by rejecting the Catalyst options, I'm fighting with him and the Reapers, so how did I give up?

TROLLLLL LOOOOGGGIIIICCCCC

I have nothing to defend myself so let me just call him a troll
TROLLLSZZ LOGICCSSSS

[Esquin]

DEATHSCOPE wrote...



Oh my god. You are just contradicting yourself.

Replace Nixon with Shepard, Shepard believes in refusal, the rest of the people in the galaxy doesn't. Yet, you want to make that decision for them? Seriously man?

But you think they'd agree to having their biology fundamentally altered to turn them into an entierly new form of life?

Grow up.

The only option is refusal because it's the only option where we know the results. We have no idea what the crucible will do except that on some level it is under the control of the reapers. I personally don't trust the reapers and I don't want to give them another way to control us.

Do you trust the reapers?

[DEATHSCOPE]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

DEATHSCOPE wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

dweller wrote...

DEATHSCOPE wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Master_Smurf wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I'm not condemming anyone, I'm fighting the Reapers.

Not really; you gave up.

Explain how, I agreed to fight the Reapers, by rejecting the Catalyst options, I'm fighting with him and the Reapers, so how did I give up?

You're about to keel over and die, everyone you know and many more are about to get harvested and the only species left behind will be the non-space frearing ones.

All that you were so righteously fighting for, all the people that believed in you and came together to assist you are about to become reaper building blocks.

I'm sure they rather die as united galaxy than to sell someone out.

No they wouldn't. The Salarians and the Turians even sterilized the Krogan when they thought they couldn't win. They would happily sell out the Geth if it means winning.

I agree with this.

Just imagine a conversation with Hackett during the time you were deciding which ending to choose...

Do you think he'd say something along the lines of:
"So we can survive if we kill the geth and EDI? Ah screw it, I'd rather die than live with that."
or:
"Listen, I know it's a difficult choice, but the lives of the entire galaxy are riding on your decision. Don't make us all die based on your assumptions of what everyone wants and because you didn't want to dirty your hands."

Hell I believe even the geth would agree to this in order to save everyone. Don't be so irrational.

Just because one person out everyone agrees its should be done, doesn't mean the rest of the people do. Just like american civilians didn't believe in the vietnam wars even though nixon did.

Oh my god. You are just contradicting yourself.

Replace Nixon with Shepard, Shepard believes in refusal, the rest of the people in the galaxy doesn't. Yet, you want to make that decision for them? Seriously man?

In my opinion the galaxy does agree in refusal, who are you to say they agree on destroy for that logic.

How do they agree in stepping away and letting the only chance for their survival slip through their fingers, or tentacles for the Hanar? Everybody wants the Reapers dead, EVERYBODY. TIM is the only one who wants to control them. Nobody wants refuse. Please, stop thinking that the whole galaxy thinks like you do.

[ATLAS1192]

Esquin wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

DEATHSCOPE wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

DEATHSCOPE wrote...

Yes, but only a few. That seems to include OP, but for most sentience species, survival is everything.

And Shepard might be one of those people. It doesn't make him self righteous automatically. Naive? Maybe. Idealistic? DEFINTELY. But by means self righteous is automatic from making the refuse choice. For all we know Shep might be paranoid it's a big reaper trap after he sees starbrat. Maybe he's wrong. So what. Doesn't make him self righteous just paranoid (in that situation).

Good point. I see what you did there. 

LOL (surprised you could understand that with the rambling way I posted it).

Honestly I spent most of the game hoping it was a Reaper trap. But then my face when I realized it was legit. Then the starbrat...and then I think my poor brain broke.

No see that's the thing. The only reason to assume the crucible is legit is because a REAPER tells you it is. Why on earth would you trust anything that a reaper says to you?

That's what this comes down to. In that moment, standing there with the catalyst you have no reason at all to believe that anything it is saying is the truth. It admits to being a reaper. There is no reason to believe that the options it offers are legitimate. Or that anything it tells you about those options is the truth. In fact it's more likely that it's lying to you and this is another manipulation so that the reapers can control you. 

The only logial option is to walk away from what is obviously a trap. Forget what happens in the endings. You don't get to make chocies using hind sight. There, in that moment, the only real option is to assume that the crucible is a reaper trap. 

What about when everyone found out that the Relays and Citadel were created by Reapers? Did everyone just kind of STOP using them? No. That point is now moot. Try again.

[Khajiit Jzargo]

[quote]dweller wrote...

[quote]Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

[quote]dweller wrote...

[quote]Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

[quote]dweller wrote...

[quote]DEATHSCOPE wrote...

[quote]Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

[quote]Master_Smurf wrote...

[quote]Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

[quote]Xilizhra wrote...

[quote]I'm not condemming anyone, I'm fighting the Reapers.[/quote]
Not really; you gave up.[/quote] Explain how, I agreed to fight the Reapers, by rejecting the Catalyst options, I'm fighting with him and the Reapers, so how did I give up?
[/quote]

You're about to keel over and die, everyone you know and many more are about to get harvested and the only species left behind will be the non-space frearing ones.

All that you were so righteously fighting for, all the people that believed in you and came together to assist you are about to become reaper building blocks.

[/quote]I'm sure they rather die as united galaxy than to sell someone out.
[/quote]

No they wouldn't. The Salarians and the Turians even sterilized the Krogan when they thought they couldn't win. They would happily sell out the Geth if it means winning.

[/quote]


I agree with this.

Just imagine a conversation with Hackett during the time you were deciding which ending to choose...

Do you think he'd say something along the lines of:
"So we can survive if we kill the geth and EDI? Ah screw it, I'd rather die than live with that."
or:
"Listen, I know it's a difficult choice, but the lives of the entire galaxy are riding on your decision. Don't make us all die based on your assumptions of what everyone wants and because you didn't want to dirty your hands."

Hell I believe even the geth would agree to this in order to save everyone. Don't be so irrational.

[/quote]Just because one person out everyone agrees its should be done, doesn't mean the rest of the people do. Just like american civilians didn't believe in the vietnam wars even though nixon did.
[/quote]

For the 5th. F***ing. Time. 

Point me to the video that shows the cutscene where the galaxy agreed to your "we'd rather die free" bull.

[/quote]Point to me to the video that shows the cutscene where the galaxy agreed to your" we'd rather commit genocide to live free" bull.
[/quote]

They don't. That's been exactly my point this entire time. 

All this time you've been claiming your choice is better because the galaxy agrees with you. Finally, you admit it doesn't.

Now please, think about it. You have to make a choice that will have an impact throughout the entire galaxy. Do you SERIOUSLY believe that you have the right to doom everyone to death because YOU think they would rather go out that way, or make the hard, seemingly immoral though obviously better for the greater good choice of sacrificing a race to let them live?

You have to make that choice, and the entire galaxy's fate is now your responsibility. Don't act rashly based on your selfish moral needs.

[/quote]No I just admitted to their not being a damn cutscene, are you so incompetent to make your own opinions based on what you see and hear during the events of the game. Clearly Anderson and Hackett both say the Galaxy is united, Quarians and Geth are at peace helping each other out, Asari are neutral, Hanar and Drell are working together, and Primarch Victus talks about how the Krogans and Turian alliance is blooming. Figures....

[Khajiit Jzargo]

xBl4ck0p5x wrote...

Esquin wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

DEATHSCOPE wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

DEATHSCOPE wrote...

Yes, but only a few. That seems to include OP, but for most sentience species, survival is everything.

And Shepard might be one of those people. It doesn't make him self righteous automatically. Naive? Maybe. Idealistic? DEFINTELY. But by means self righteous is automatic from making the refuse choice. For all we know Shep might be paranoid it's a big reaper trap after he sees starbrat. Maybe he's wrong. So what. Doesn't make him self righteous just paranoid (in that situation).

Good point. I see what you did there. 

LOL (surprised you could understand that with the rambling way I posted it).

Honestly I spent most of the game hoping it was a Reaper trap. But then my face when I realized it was legit. Then the starbrat...and then I think my poor brain broke.

No see that's the thing. The only reason to assume the crucible is legit is because a REAPER tells you it is. Why on earth would you trust anything that a reaper says to you?

That's what this comes down to. In that moment, standing there with the catalyst you have no reason at all to believe that anything it is saying is the truth. It admits to being a reaper. There is no reason to believe that the options it offers are legitimate. Or that anything it tells you about those options is the truth. In fact it's more likely that it's lying to you and this is another manipulation so that the reapers can control you. 

The only logial option is to walk away from what is obviously a trap. Forget what happens in the endings. You don't get to make chocies using hind sight. There, in that moment, the only real option is to assume that the crucible is a reaper trap. 

What about when everyone found out that the Relays and Citadel were created by Reapers? Did everyone just kind of STOP using them? No. That point is now moot. Try again.

Because it had already be tested, why the hell would you trust your enemies, are you daft or desperate.

[DEATHSCOPE]

Esquin wrote...

DEATHSCOPE wrote...



Oh my god. You are just contradicting yourself.

Replace Nixon with Shepard, Shepard believes in refusal, the rest of the people in the galaxy doesn't. Yet, you want to make that decision for them? Seriously man?

But you think they'd agree to having their biology fundamentally altered to turn them into an entierly new form of life?

Grow up.

The only option is refusal because it's the only option where we know the results. We have no idea what the crucible will do except that on some level it is under the control of the reapers. I personally don't trust the reapers and I don't want to give them another way to control us.

Do you trust the reapers?

Yeah, the result is that we lose and the whole galaxy is doomed. The cycles continue in refusal. I would take a chance and shoot the tube.

[Khajiit Jzargo]

xBl4ck0p5x wrote...

Esquin wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

DEATHSCOPE wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

DEATHSCOPE wrote...

Yes, but only a few. That seems to include OP, but for most sentience species, survival is everything.

And Shepard might be one of those people. It doesn't make him self righteous automatically. Naive? Maybe. Idealistic? DEFINTELY. But by means self righteous is automatic from making the refuse choice. For all we know Shep might be paranoid it's a big reaper trap after he sees starbrat. Maybe he's wrong. So what. Doesn't make him self righteous just paranoid (in that situation).

Good point. I see what you did there. 

LOL (surprised you could understand that with the rambling way I posted it).

Honestly I spent most of the game hoping it was a Reaper trap. But then my face when I realized it was legit. Then the starbrat...and then I think my poor brain broke.

No see that's the thing. The only reason to assume the crucible is legit is because a REAPER tells you it is. Why on earth would you trust anything that a reaper says to you?

That's what this comes down to. In that moment, standing there with the catalyst you have no reason at all to believe that anything it is saying is the truth. It admits to being a reaper. There is no reason to believe that the options it offers are legitimate. Or that anything it tells you about those options is the truth. In fact it's more likely that it's lying to you and this is another manipulation so that the reapers can control you. 

The only logial option is to walk away from what is obviously a trap. Forget what happens in the endings. You don't get to make chocies using hind sight. There, in that moment, the only real option is to assume that the crucible is a reaper trap. 

What about when everyone found out that the Relays and Citadel were created by Reapers? Did everyone just kind of STOP using them? No. That point is now moot. Try again.

Because it had already be tested, why the hell would you trust your enemies, are you daft or desperate? Your logic is so unlogical it hurts my brain, that analogy makes absolutely no sense. Try again.

[Master_Smurf]

Ryzaki wrote...

If you guys really want to bleet over what the galaxy agreed to the only ending that is REMOTELY agreed on is Destroy.

I agree with that but in the end it comes down to the chosen person to act on behalf of the galaxy, the avatar (eeewwww)

He/She is the one given the choice - this is how most Sci Fi goes when they go to far, so I really dont understand all of the trouble with meeting the Catalyst.

I will concede that if Bioware wanted to set it up properly then you would most likely battle IM half way through the game where he tells you his plan and you reject it, then for the next half of the game you come to see that Control may have benefit or Destroy is the onlyway and then you do someting to warrant getting the audience with the Catalyst.

As it stands that is the only part that feels a bit forced for me, I told him humans arent ready for control and then slump over but then Catalyst tellls me no no, I'm good. The only thin I did was appeal to IM showing him the highest level of humanity but there is no confirmation to gamer or to Shep that you are at a higher level of consciouness worthy of conversing with the Catalyst to make a galaxy wide decision. 

[Khajiit Jzargo]

DEATHSCOPE wrote...

Esquin wrote...

DEATHSCOPE wrote...



Oh my god. You are just contradicting yourself.

Replace Nixon with Shepard, Shepard believes in refusal, the rest of the people in the galaxy doesn't. Yet, you want to make that decision for them? Seriously man?

But you think they'd agree to having their biology fundamentally altered to turn them into an entierly new form of life?

Grow up.

The only option is refusal because it's the only option where we know the results. We have no idea what the crucible will do except that on some level it is under the control of the reapers. I personally don't trust the reapers and I don't want to give them another way to control us.

Do you trust the reapers?

Yeah, the result is that we lose and the whole galaxy is doomed. The cycles continue in refusal. I would take a chance and shoot the tube.

Knowing that you will either fail or commit genocide, I'm sure hitler is smiling upon you.

[Ryzaki]

Esquin wrote...
No see that's the thing. The only reason to assume the crucible is legit is because a REAPER tells you it is. Why on earth would you trust anything that a reaper says to you?

That's what this comes down to. In that moment, standing there with the catalyst you have no reason at all to believe that anything it is saying is the truth. It admits to being a reaper. There is no reason to believe that the options it offers are legitimate. Or that anything it tells you about those options is the truth. In fact it's more likely that it's lying to you and this is another manipulation so that the reapers can control you. 

The only logial option is to walk away from what is obviously a trap. Forget what happens in the endings. You don't get to make chocies using hind sight. There, in that moment, the only real option is to assume that the crucible is a reaper trap. 

A. I'm talking about me me me not Shepard.
B. This was in the Original Endings. There was no walk away ending without critical mission failure.
C. Please let's not do this "most logical" garbage. You can do that for each of the endings (well you can do it for Control or Destroy. Screw Synthesis).

Modifié par Ryzaki, 04 juillet 2012 - 12:52 .

[Esquin]

xBl4ck0p5x wrote...

Esquin wrote...

No see that's the thing. The only reason to assume the crucible is legit is because a REAPER tells you it is. Why on earth would you trust anything that a reaper says to you?

That's what this comes down to. In that moment, standing there with the catalyst you have no reason at all to believe that anything it is saying is the truth. It admits to being a reaper. There is no reason to believe that the options it offers are legitimate. Or that anything it tells you about those options is the truth. In fact it's more likely that it's lying to you and this is another manipulation so that the reapers can control you. 

The only logial option is to walk away from what is obviously a trap. Forget what happens in the endings. You don't get to make chocies using hind sight. There, in that moment, the only real option is to assume that the crucible is a reaper trap. 

What about when everyone found out that the Relays and Citadel were created by Reapers? Did everyone just kind of STOP using them? No. That point is now moot. Try again.

There is a big difference between using forms of transport constructed by the reapers and changing the nature of all life in the galaxy based on their word. 

We're at war here. Using the relays is like Americans using German roads in WW2. 

Using the crucible is like letting Hitler tell you what your options are for winning the war and then doing exactly what he tells you. All the time believing that suddenly he'd turned into some kind of benevolent individual who loves you.

[babachewie]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

DEATHSCOPE wrote...

Esquin wrote...

DEATHSCOPE wrote...



Oh my god. You are just contradicting yourself.

Replace Nixon with Shepard, Shepard believes in refusal, the rest of the people in the galaxy doesn't. Yet, you want to make that decision for them? Seriously man?

But you think they'd agree to having their biology fundamentally altered to turn them into an entierly new form of life?

Grow up.

The only option is refusal because it's the only option where we know the results. We have no idea what the crucible will do except that on some level it is under the control of the reapers. I personally don't trust the reapers and I don't want to give them another way to control us.

Do you trust the reapers?

Yeah, the result is that we lose and the whole galaxy is doomed. The cycles continue in refusal. I would take a chance and shoot the tube.

Knowing that you will either fail or commit genocide, I'm sure hitler is smiling upon you.

The sign of a desperate debater when they start using hitler. Fox News would be proud.

[ATLAS1192]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

xBl4ck0p5x wrote...

Esquin wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

DEATHSCOPE wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

DEATHSCOPE wrote...

Yes, but only a few. That seems to include OP, but for most sentience species, survival is everything.

And Shepard might be one of those people. It doesn't make him self righteous automatically. Naive? Maybe. Idealistic? DEFINTELY. But by means self righteous is automatic from making the refuse choice. For all we know Shep might be paranoid it's a big reaper trap after he sees starbrat. Maybe he's wrong. So what. Doesn't make him self righteous just paranoid (in that situation).

Good point. I see what you did there. 

LOL (surprised you could understand that with the rambling way I posted it).

Honestly I spent most of the game hoping it was a Reaper trap. But then my face when I realized it was legit. Then the starbrat...and then I think my poor brain broke.

No see that's the thing. The only reason to assume the crucible is legit is because a REAPER tells you it is. Why on earth would you trust anything that a reaper says to you?

That's what this comes down to. In that moment, standing there with the catalyst you have no reason at all to believe that anything it is saying is the truth. It admits to being a reaper. There is no reason to believe that the options it offers are legitimate. Or that anything it tells you about those options is the truth. In fact it's more likely that it's lying to you and this is another manipulation so that the reapers can control you. 

The only logial option is to walk away from what is obviously a trap. Forget what happens in the endings. You don't get to make chocies using hind sight. There, in that moment, the only real option is to assume that the crucible is a reaper trap. 

What about when everyone found out that the Relays and Citadel were created by Reapers? Did everyone just kind of STOP using them? No. That point is now moot. Try again.

Because it had already be tested, why the hell would you trust your enemies, are you daft or desperate.

Desperate. I want to end this war, NOW, before it gets any worse. That is why I'm trusting the Catalyst.

[DEATHSCOPE]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

DEATHSCOPE wrote...

Esquin wrote...

DEATHSCOPE wrote...



Oh my god. You are just contradicting yourself.

Replace Nixon with Shepard, Shepard believes in refusal, the rest of the people in the galaxy doesn't. Yet, you want to make that decision for them? Seriously man?

But you think they'd agree to having their biology fundamentally altered to turn them into an entierly new form of life?

Grow up.

The only option is refusal because it's the only option where we know the results. We have no idea what the crucible will do except that on some level it is under the control of the reapers. I personally don't trust the reapers and I don't want to give them another way to control us.

Do you trust the reapers?

Yeah, the result is that we lose and the whole galaxy is doomed. The cycles continue in refusal. I would take a chance and shoot the tube.

Knowing that you will either fail or commit genocide, I'm sure hitler is smiling upon you.

And I'm sure the other races are patting you on the back when you chose refusal.

"Hey, that was great. So, you had a chance to save the galaxy but didn't? It's alright, we forgive you."

At least in destroy I had a chance. 50% is better than 0% (ie. giving up).

[Fauxnormal]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

DEATHSCOPE wrote...

Esquin wrote...

DEATHSCOPE wrote...



Oh my god. You are just contradicting yourself.

Replace Nixon with Shepard, Shepard believes in refusal, the rest of the people in the galaxy doesn't. Yet, you want to make that decision for them? Seriously man?

But you think they'd agree to having their biology fundamentally altered to turn them into an entierly new form of life?

Grow up.

The only option is refusal because it's the only option where we know the results. We have no idea what the crucible will do except that on some level it is under the control of the reapers. I personally don't trust the reapers and I don't want to give them another way to control us.

Do you trust the reapers?

Yeah, the result is that we lose and the whole galaxy is doomed. The cycles continue in refusal. I would take a chance and shoot the tube.

Knowing that you will either fail or commit genocide, I'm sure hitler is smiling upon you.

I'm amused that the person to destroyed everyone is busting out the Hitler comments.

Heil, moron.