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[Jamie9]

sAxMoNkI wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

Best thread since Tali's mask thread?

Best thread since Tali's mask thread.

/signed

/double signed

Alas, I must sleep too. Even a Bro must rest... but only occasionally.

[Fauxnormal]

Fitted?

****'s sake.

Also, he's my bro.

[Landon7001]

OP I've wandered why myself....

[Tritium315]

Jamie9 wrote...

sAxMoNkI wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

Best thread since Tali's mask thread?

Best thread since Tali's mask thread.

/signed

/double signed

Alas, I must sleep too. Even a Bro must rest... but only occasionally.

/trip' signed

And with that I must retire as well; Bro out!

Modifié par Tritium315, 04 juillet 2012 - 03:46 .

[Tealjaker94]

Tritium315 wrote...

Jamie9 wrote...

sAxMoNkI wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...
Best thread since Tali's mask thread?

Best thread since Tali's mask thread.

/signed

/double signed

Alas, I must sleep too. Even a Bro must rest... but only occasionally.

/trip' signed

And with that I must retire as well; Bro out!

/quad signed.

[Landon7001]

ADLegend21 wrote...

Garrus is alien. This is a sci-fi game. Aliens will always be intersting because you can go outside and see a human. If Garrus was human and Kaidan was alien, I guarentee Kaidan would be insanely popular because people would be more likely to listen to him as a sci-fi Alien rather than a sci-fi human. Same thing with Tali and Ashley. Tali advocates destroying the Geth in Me1 "hell yeah let's destroy the get they're evil kill them all. completely ignore the fact that they're only agains the quarians because they lauched military strikes agains thtem one they gained sentience" same thing in ME2 Tali's all for killing Geth and Legion is the only thing stopping everyone from hating the Geth because Legion is the perfect foil for Tali's ignorance. Tali's openly racist against the Geth. Ashley has issues letting Aliens around the Normandy's systems because they might steal tech "oh leave that racist b*tch on Virmire" only for ME3 to role around and Tali took stealth tech from the Normandy to the Migrant fleet. Ashley was right yet she's the racist and Tali is just so cute and adorable for hating the Geth even though she and her people are in the wrong. She does get over it and I aplaud her for it because that's not an easy thing to do, getting over hate propoganda her people have been perpetuatiing for 300 years. You can get away with anything in Mass Effect if you're alien, but you're held to an incredibly high standard if you're human by the majority of the fan base.

you have a very good point....I think if one looks at the evidence andf observes the fans theryll find you are right....

I personally liked the humans as much or more than the aliens...I think mass effect is great and distinct in how it includes more aliens than humans but I reflect on my favorite characters-ashley, miranda, mordin, jacob, legion....its really not about alien or human its more about how interesting that specific character is to me....

[CronoDragoon]

ADLegend21 wrote...

Garrus is alien. This is a sci-fi game. Aliens will always be intersting because you can go outside and see a human. If Garrus was human and Kaidan was alien, I guarentee Kaidan would be insanely popular because people would be more likely to listen to him as a sci-fi Alien rather than a sci-fi human. Same thing with Tali and Ashley. Tali advocates destroying the Geth in Me1 "hell yeah let's destroy the get they're evil kill them all. completely ignore the fact that they're only agains the quarians because they lauched military strikes agains thtem one they gained sentience" same thing in ME2 Tali's all for killing Geth and Legion is the only thing stopping everyone from hating the Geth because Legion is the perfect foil for Tali's ignorance. Tali's openly racist against the Geth. Ashley has issues letting Aliens around the Normandy's systems because they might steal tech "oh leave that racist b*tch on Virmire" only for ME3 to role around and Tali took stealth tech from the Normandy to the Migrant fleet. Ashley was right yet she's the racist and Tali is just so cute and adorable for hating the Geth even though she and her people are in the wrong. She does get over it and I aplaud her for it because that's not an easy thing to do, getting over hate propoganda her people have been perpetuatiing for 300 years. You can get away with anything in Mass Effect if you're alien, but you're held to an incredibly high standard if you're human by the majority of the fan base.

Kaiden would only be insanely popular if he switched personalities with Garrus as well.

Modifié par CronoDragoon, 04 juillet 2012 - 04:22 .

[flippedeclipse]

Landon7001 wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

Garrus is alien. This is a sci-fi game. Aliens will always be intersting because you can go outside and see a human. If Garrus was human and Kaidan was alien, I guarentee Kaidan would be insanely popular because people would be more likely to listen to him as a sci-fi Alien rather than a sci-fi human. Same thing with Tali and Ashley. Tali advocates destroying the Geth in Me1 "hell yeah let's destroy the get they're evil kill them all. completely ignore the fact that they're only agains the quarians because they lauched military strikes agains thtem one they gained sentience" same thing in ME2 Tali's all for killing Geth and Legion is the only thing stopping everyone from hating the Geth because Legion is the perfect foil for Tali's ignorance. Tali's openly racist against the Geth. Ashley has issues letting Aliens around the Normandy's systems because they might steal tech "oh leave that racist b*tch on Virmire" only for ME3 to role around and Tali took stealth tech from the Normandy to the Migrant fleet. Ashley was right yet she's the racist and Tali is just so cute and adorable for hating the Geth even though she and her people are in the wrong. She does get over it and I aplaud her for it because that's not an easy thing to do, getting over hate propoganda her people have been perpetuatiing for 300 years. You can get away with anything in Mass Effect if you're alien, but you're held to an incredibly high standard if you're human by the majority of the fan base.

you have a very good point....I think if one looks at the evidence andf observes the fans theryll find you are right....

I personally liked the humans as much or more than the aliens...I think mass effect is great and distinct in how it includes more aliens than humans but I reflect on my favorite characters-ashley, miranda, mordin, jacob, legion....its really not about alien or human its more about how interesting that specific character is to me....

Mmm, I don't really agree. Tali was ignorant of the truth behind the geth until she met Legion, just like Shepard was. They both changed their views on the topic because of it, she opposes the geth war in ME3 and even considers Legion a friend. Ashley says that she can't tell the difference between the aliens and animals, most likely because she has family issues from the First Contact War, and that qualifies as speciesism because Ashley's knows better, while Tali is merely ignorant.

Anyway, my point is that back in ME1 Garrus and Tali's fanbase was bigger because they're aliens, seeing as one was a hothead and the other a walking codex, but they're liked now for more reasons than just the exotic factor. Kaidan wouldn't fit in Garrus' role because the two characters are radically different, just like how Miranda and Tali aren't interchangeable. If anything, it's Bioware's fault for taking more liberties with the characterization of the humans (and arguably Liara) and attributing generically attractive qualities to Garrus and Tali.

[garrusfan1]

BatmanPWNS wrote...

His funny.
He gives one-liners.
His an alien. (Which is an automatic +100 from the fanbase)
His damn effective in combat.
His been in all 3 games.

Yeah this is why he is liked in a nut shell but honestly he is one of the best characters in a video game or movies if not the best I have ever seen and I love wrex but you only have him as a squadmate in one game and a little bit more than cameo role in me2 and me3 he rules again. Wrex is one of the few characters who can say one word (in this instance it is Shepard) and be cool plus he was a beast in combat. But while I love garrus everyone is entitled to their opinion so as long as you aren't insulting garrus fans it is fine to asks like you did

[Siansonea]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Regardless of the events on Horizon, Shepard IS a traitor. Cerberus is an avowed enemy of the Alliance. You remember Cerberus in ME1, right? Remember how they killed Alliance Admiral Kahoku? Remember how Cerberus lured Alliance Marines to thresher maw traps on Akuze and Edolus? Remember how Cerberus experimented on Corporal Toombs, an Alliance Marine on Akuze, by injecting him with thresher maw acid to observe the effects? Well Alliance Marine Lieutenant Kaidan Alenko remembers. Alliance Marine Gunnery Chief Ashley Williams remembers. And here's presumed-dead Shepard, alive with weird cybernetic scars, saying "trust me, old buddy old pal, I'm Commander Shepard, baby!" Not good enough. Not good enough by half. 

Does Alliance Marine Lieutenant Kaiden Alenko remember when human colonies were disappearing and only Cerberus cared? Oh, right. That was happening right at that moment. And what Shepard says makes perfect sense: he's not with Cerberus, he's using them to fight the Collectors. Not to mention Garrus standing right next to you. What, did they kill him and make a clone, too? There is reason for Kaiden/Ashley to either trust Shepard or not at that moment. They chose not to while Garrus and Tali did. That doesn't make Kaiden/Ashley bad people; it makes Tali and Garrus better judges of character.

Idiotic. Garrus and Tali are followers, if anything. Kaidan and Ashley will at least stand up to Shepard on a matter of principle. You can handwave the Cerberus thing all you want, but the fact remains that Cerberus is a rogue organization who has done very bad things, and presumed-dead Shepard is standing there with them. Maybe Shepard has been secretly working with them for the past two years, letting Kaidan/Ashley and the rest of the Alliance think Shepard was dead? And big fat hairy deal if Garrus is standing next to Shepard in that moment. Like Garrus is some paragon of virtue that an Alliance soldier should trust? He quit C-Sec to run off with a newly minted Spectre, then disappeared shortly after the Normandy was destroyed. Right after Shepard disappeared. Coincidence? There is no reason for Kaidan or Ashley to fall in line so easily just because it's Shepard. Shepard may have been a legendary Alliance soldier, but that cuts no ice when he's standing next to one of the Alliance's most hated enemies. The Commander Shepard I thought I knew in ME1 would NEVER work for Cerberus, and it's absurd that Shepard DOES work for Cerberus, especially since Shepard doesn't verify any of the Illusive Man's claims independently before signing on the dotted line with Cerberus. That you can't see that...doesn't really matter at all, actually. Whatever.

[CrispyPuppet]

He is just a really compelling character. He's a total badass and true bro.

[CronoDragoon]

flippedeclipse wrote...

Mmm, I don't really agree. Tali was ignorant of the truth behind the geth until she met Legion, just like Shepard was. They both changed their views on the topic because of it, she opposes the geth war in ME3 and even considers Legion a friend. Ashley says that she can't tell the difference between the aliens and animals, most likely because she has family issues from the First Contact War, and that qualifies as speciesism because Ashley's knows better, while Tali is merely ignorant.

Yes; throughout ME1 NOBODY was pushing to understand the geth because as far as anyone knew THEY WERE ALL TRYING TO KILL YOU. It's a bit unfair to expect Tali of all people to believe differently when nobody else, not even Shepard, was.

[Siansonea]

ADLegend21 wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Garrus doesn't challenge Shepard in any real way, he's always nice, supportive and deferential toward Shepard. Garrus never disagrees with Shepard or flouts Shepard's authority. He's loyal to a fault. He is good-naturedly competitive with Shepard in ME3, but it's all very jocular. People like characters who reinforce the idea that the player character is awesome. And Garrus really really likes you. So does Liara. So does Tali. Meanwhile, characters who actually stand up for themselves and have a different point of view, and actually call Shepard on her BS are maligned. One of my favorite characters in ME2 was Tela Vasir, because she called out Shepard for being a total hypocrite, which of course she was. And I loved when Kaidan and Ashley laid the verbal smackdown on Shepard on Horizon, but of course most people were all "Kashley was mean to me! I'm Commander Shepard!!!!!"

GFT.

All of this "he's my bro" and "he has my back" talk only reinforces my idea that people like Garrus simply because he never has the audacity to challenge or contradict Shepard. That's not my idea of an awesome character, but other people have different standards, and it's not like BioWare didn't set out to get that exact reaction. Can't fault people for eating it up.

Modifié par Siansonea II, 04 juillet 2012 - 05:39 .

[Arppis]

I think it's because he has a few funny jokes, he's also very neutral character who doesn't really go against Shepard much and ofcourse he has interesting moral dilemas in his quests, making him not so "one sided" character.

[CronoDragoon]

Siansonea II wrote...

Idiotic. Garrus and Tali are followers, if anything.

They are followers of Shepard because they trust him. Yes. And calling people idiots is a bad way to start an argument.

Kaidan and Ashley will at least stand up to Shepard on a matter of principle. You can handwave the Cerberus thing all you want, but the fact remains that Cerberus is a rogue organization who has done very bad things, and presumed-dead Shepard is standing there with them.

Indeed. It would not add up to them. It would be very confusing.

Maybe Shepard has been secretly working with them for the past two years, letting Kaidan/Ashley and the rest of the Alliance think Shepard was dead?

As in Shepard willingly worked with Cerberus on stuff other than the Collectors? Bad stuff that hurt people? You are giving Ashley and Kaiden less credit than I thought. I don't think they mistrust him that much.

And big fat hairy deal if Garrus is standing next to Shepard in that moment. Like Garrus is some paragon of virtue that an Alliance soldier should trust? He quit C-Sec to run off with a newly minted Spectre, then disappeared shortly after the Normandy was destroyed. Right after Shepard disappeared. Coincidence?

Everyone ran off after the Normandy was destroyed, because there was no Normandy crew anymore. COINCIDENCE?
You are acting like Garrus joining the Normandy to fight Saren and the geth and stop the Reapers should not change Ashley or Kaiden's opinion of him. I find that hard to believe. ME1 characters clearly developed a tight bond. Garrus being there next to Shepard should influence their opinion.

There is no reason for Kaidan or Ashley to fall in line so easily just because it's Shepard.

There are reasons, but they are mitigated by the strangeness of the situation. On the one hand, Shepard is with Cerberus. On the other hand, he's stopping the Collectors, claims he's only working with Cerberus to achieve this, and has Garrus and the Normandy crew backing him. It comes down to a judgment call. Tali and Garrus passed. Ashley and Kaiden failed.

Shepard may have been a legendary Alliance soldier, but that cuts no ice when he's standing next to one of the Alliance's most hated enemies. The Commander Shepard I thought I knew in ME1 would NEVER work for Cerberus, and it's absurd that Shepard DOES work for Cerberus, especially since Shepard doesn't verify any of the Illusive Man's claims independently before signing on the dotted line with Cerberus.

You wanted Shepard to ignore the Collectors or something? And what is this "verifying TIM's claims independently" stuff? Do you remember how Shepard verifies them? He goes to a colony and sees a recording of the Collectors kidnapping colonists himself.

That you can't see that...doesn't really matter at all, actually. Whatever.

Since my opinion apparently doesn't matter at all I shall expect no response, but given that you were just posturing I'll recap: You came in trying to portray Garrus and Tali's allegiance to Shepard as a fault, despite the fact that neither is naive in joining the ME2 team, neither believes for a second that Cerberus are the good guys, but both can still see the necessity of accomplishing the mission of defeating the Collectors. Both reiterate that they are working for Shepard and not Cerberus. You also tried to potray Ashley and Kaiden's rejection of Shepard on Horizon as a plus for them, which it sort of is. Working with the information they had, they weren't being stupid in being cautious. It just so happens that retrospectively they made the wrong call. Period. I actually like Ashley and Kaiden, but as they later come to admit in ME3, they were simply wrong to mistrust Shepard as much as they did for as long as they did.

Edit: And to bring this full circle: Yes Tela does call bull on Paragon Shepard's ****, and she is absolutely right about it. I loved her character, too.

Modifié par CronoDragoon, 04 juillet 2012 - 05:53 .

[Siansonea]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Idiotic. Garrus and Tali are followers, if anything.

They are followers of Shepard because they trust him. Yes. And calling people idiots is a bad way to start an argument.

Kaidan and Ashley will at least stand up to Shepard on a matter of principle. You can handwave the Cerberus thing all you want, but the fact remains that Cerberus is a rogue organization who has done very bad things, and presumed-dead Shepard is standing there with them.

Indeed. It would not add up to them. It would be very confusing.

Maybe Shepard has been secretly working with them for the past two years, letting Kaidan/Ashley and the rest of the Alliance think Shepard was dead?

As in Shepard willingly worked with Cerberus on stuff other than the Collectors? Bad stuff that hurt people? You are giving Ashley and Kaiden less credit than I thought. I don't think they mistrust him that much.

And big fat hairy deal if Garrus is standing next to Shepard in that moment. Like Garrus is some paragon of virtue that an Alliance soldier should trust? He quit C-Sec to run off with a newly minted Spectre, then disappeared shortly after the Normandy was destroyed. Right after Shepard disappeared. Coincidence?

Everyone ran off after the Normandy was destroyed, because there was no Normandy crew anymore. COINCIDENCE?
You are acting like Garrus joining the Normandy to fight Saren and the geth and stop the Reapers should not change Ashley or Kaiden's opinion of him. I find that hard to believe. ME1 characters clearly developed a tight bond. Garrus being there next to Shepard should influence their opinion.

There is no reason for Kaidan or Ashley to fall in line so easily just because it's Shepard.

There are reasons, but they are mitigated by the strangeness of the situation. On the one hand, Shepard is with Cerberus. On the other hand, he's stopping the Collectors, claims he's only working with Cerberus to achieve this, and has Garrus and the Normandy crew backing him. It comes down to a judgment call. Tali and Garrus passed. Ashley and Kaiden failed.

Shepard may have been a legendary Alliance soldier, but that cuts no ice when he's standing next to one of the Alliance's most hated enemies. The Commander Shepard I thought I knew in ME1 would NEVER work for Cerberus, and it's absurd that Shepard DOES work for Cerberus, especially since Shepard doesn't verify any of the Illusive Man's claims independently before signing on the dotted line with Cerberus.

You wanted Shepard to ignore the Collectors or something? And what is this "verifying TIM's claims independently" stuff? Do you remember how Shepard verifies them? He goes to a colony and sees a recording of the Collectors kidnapping colonists himself.

That you can't see that...doesn't really matter at all, actually. Whatever.

Since my opinion apparently doesn't matter at all I shall expect no response, but given that you were just posturing I'll recap: You came in trying to portray Garrus and Tali's allegiance to Shepard as a fault, despite the fact that neither is naive in joining the ME2 team, neither believes for a second that Cerberus are the good guys, but both can still see the necessity of accomplishing the mission of defeating the Collectors. Both reiterate that they are working for Shepard and not Cerberus. You also tried to potray Ashley and Kaiden's rejection of Shepard on Horizon as a plus for them, which it sort of is. Working with the information they had, they weren't being stupid in being cautious. It just so happens that retrospectively they made the wrong call. Period. I actually like Ashley and Kaiden, but as they later come to admit in ME3, they were simply wrong to mistrust Shepard as much as they did for as long as they did.

Edit: And to bring this full circle: Yes Tela does call bull on Paragon Shepard's ****, and she is absolutely right about it. I loved her character, too.

Basically, you like characters who tell you you're right, and dislike characters who tell you you're wrong. Whether you might ever actually BE wrong never crosses your mind. You throw around the Cerberus thing like it's no big deal, like it's on par with Shepard showing up in the nick of time to stop the Collectors. It's a BIG. FREAKIN'. DEAL. Did you not do any of the sidequests in ME1? Please go back and do Missing Marines, Cerberus, Hades' Dogs, and Dead Scientists. Then try to minimize Shepard's involvement with Cerberus. Read Corporal Toombs' email in ME2. 

And Ashley and Kaidan weren't wrong to mistrust Shepard in that moment on Horizon. Only a fool trusts someone that blindly. ::looks at Garrus and Tali::

[iSousek]

I liked him, but never considered him a bro. He never displayed qualities and personality i find bro-worthy.
Back in ME 1 it was Kaiden for my bro, in ME 2 I would have to go with Jacob or Thane so by the time ME 3 came out i didn't really have any conection with him to consider him my bro.
Hell, I consider Wrex more of my bro and he isn't even playable for 2/3 of the game

[Fidget6]

People like him because he's...... well likeable. He's chill and badass and kind of funny without being obnoxious and kind of serious without being broody. Just a good, well-rounded character.

[Peranor]

There's no Mass Effect without Vakarian

[N-Seven]

I think women like him because he is like some sort of cat-dragon with a sexy voice.

[Y3Y00]

Because opinions. I personally am indifferent about him...

[CronoDragoon]

Siansonea II wrote...
Basically, you like characters who tell you you're right, and dislike characters who tell you you're wrong. Whether you might ever actually BE wrong never crosses your mind. You throw around the Cerberus thing like it's no big deal, like it's on par with Shepard showing up in the nick of time to stop the Collectors. It's a BIG. FREAKIN'. DEAL. Did you not do any of the sidequests in ME1? Please go back and do Missing Marines, Cerberus, Hades' Dogs, and Dead Scientists. Then try to minimize Shepard's involvement with Cerberus. Read Corporal Toombs' email in ME2. 

And Ashley and Kaidan weren't wrong to mistrust Shepard in that moment on Horizon. Only a fool trusts someone that blindly. ::looks at Garrus and Tali::

There is an agenda here that clearly predates my time on the Mass Effect boards.

In any case, if Shepard actually had the potential to be wrong about his decision to join Cerberus, it might be a different story. As it stands, just like every decision that Shepard makes in Mass Effect, he/she makes the right one. Garrus and Tali's ability to recognize that speaks of an astute instinct.

Actually, I weighed Shepard being in Cerberus against a lot of stuff, you'll see. Cerberus does evil stuff, there's no doubt about it. The fact that Ashley and Kaiden are Alliance means this takes on double the meaning. But guess what? Tali hates Cerberus, too. They invaded her flotilla and killed a lot of quarians trying to retake Gillian. She takes the risk because she believes in the mission and believes that Shepard would not turn evil.

What kind of Shepard did you play, anyway, where nobody trusted him/her or thought that Mass Effect 1's events might mean as much as a Cerberus badge? It's not like Shepard showed up to Horizon kidnapping people. He came to save a colony.

Also, one of the characters I respect most in the series is Mordin, you know, the guy who MAKES YOU SHOOT HIM before he lets Shepard talk him out of the genophage cure. It isn't just a matter of surrounding myself with yes-men.

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My Shepard and Garrus are brochachos for life!

[Zjarcal]

Siansonea II wrote...

All of this "he's my bro" and "he has my back" talk only reinforces my idea that people like Garrus simply because he never has the audacity to challenge or contradict Shepard. That's not my idea of an awesome character, but other people have different standards, and it's not like BioWare didn't set out to get that exact reaction. Can't fault people for eating it up.

What a load of BS.

So I simply like Garrus because he doesn't contradict me. Really, you got into my head and figured that out? Really? I want your mind reading powers then.

Cut the crap and stop assuming why someone likes a character you don't, it's annoying as hell.

[flippedeclipse]

Siansonea II wrote...

Idiotic. Garrus and Tali are followers, if anything. Kaidan and Ashley will at least stand up to Shepard on a matter of principle. You can handwave the Cerberus thing all you want, but the fact remains that Cerberus is a rogue organization who has done very bad things, and presumed-dead Shepard is standing there with them. Maybe Shepard has been secretly working with them for the past two years, letting Kaidan/Ashley and the rest of the Alliance think Shepard was dead? And big fat hairy deal if Garrus is standing next to Shepard in that moment. Like Garrus is some paragon of virtue that an Alliance soldier should trust? He quit C-Sec to run off with a newly minted Spectre, then disappeared shortly after the Normandy was destroyed. Right after Shepard disappeared. Coincidence? There is no reason for Kaidan or Ashley to fall in line so easily just because it's Shepard. Shepard may have been a legendary Alliance soldier, but that cuts no ice when he's standing next to one of the Alliance's most hated enemies. The Commander Shepard I thought I knew in ME1 would NEVER work for Cerberus, and it's absurd that Shepard DOES work for Cerberus, especially since Shepard doesn't verify any of the Illusive Man's claims independently before signing on the dotted line with Cerberus. That you can't see that...doesn't really matter at all, actually. Whatever.

Shepard doesn't verify things ae going wrong? So what was the point of the second mission in ME2, where go to Freedom's Progress and verify Collector attacks for yourself? As for the Illusive Man's claims that the Alliance is doing nothing, it was made right before going to Freedom's Progress. If ME1 taught us anything about Shepard, its that she's a woman of action; the most memorable example is when she pirates the Normandy to go to Ilos. If Cerberus is giving her all the resources she needs to stop the Collectors, why should she beg the Alliance for it? Iirc, they basically made her out to be a raving lunatic after her death and denied all warnings about the Reapers, so why would they believe her about the Collectors? Sometimes it's easier to take the morally ambiguous, faster way out than jump through hoops while thousands of civilians are being killed. Paragon Shepard would never let people die just so she doesn't have to work with a shady organization, and these kinds of trivial matters wouldn't bother renegade Shepard.

Which reminds me, Ashley and Kaidan may have had the balls to stand up to Shepard, but their dialogue just makes them hypocrites. They say they would never turn their backs on the Alliance, but they were totally okay with stealing the Normandy and even taking the opportunity to sleep with Shepard if you romanced them. Breaking fraternization rules and committing treason in one fell swoop, and then two years later they act like that never happened. I'm not saying every character should bow down on their knees to Shepard, but at least make a solid argument if you're going to stand up to her. I sympathized with the VS up until that line, and it didn't help that they couldn't get over the Cerberus issue for half of ME3. 

As for Garrus' judgement, you're actually absolutely spot on. He was never made out to be a character who made the best decisions from the moment you helped him save Dr. Michel. He's younger than Shepard by a few years and he's made a plethora of stupid choices, but one of the things we see develop in his character over ME1 is  admiration and loyalty to Shepard, which becomes his trademark trait for the next two games. Shepard wouldn't be the hero she's made out to be every character doubted her or stood up to her, but that means that the VS received a lot of hate, which wasn't fixed by the poor potrayal of both, especially Ashley, in ME3.