What if future DLC gives us the ability to exceed the current EMS/war asset limit to the point that a conventional victory becomes attainable after all? This, of course, would mean that the best ending isn't possible unless you buy that DLC.
Would you rage while you rage or just shut up and throw your money at them?
To quote TIM: "It's ALWAYS a matter of resources." re: conventional victory
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Posté 04 juillet 2012 - 01:15
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I think that first you must define what the best ending is.
Bioware has said very clearly that they won't change the endings so I don't see that DLC you propose coming.
Too bad because I like your idea.
Bioware has said very clearly that they won't change the endings so I don't see that DLC you propose coming.
Too bad because I like your idea.
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Posté 04 juillet 2012 - 01:20
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In response to the thread title: You can run out of resources.
In response to the OP: It depends on the assets you acquire.
A rogue Reaper = Game changer
Omega =/= Game changer
In response to the OP: It depends on the assets you acquire.
A rogue Reaper = Game changer
Omega =/= Game changer
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Posté 04 juillet 2012 - 01:31
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What DLC would that be, some random race/faction/being we have never encountered who can quadruple our resources somehow? Would that be the type of deus ex machina which is touted as the worst thing ever around here?
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Posté 04 juillet 2012 - 01:33
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People will complain then break out the Fry: Shut up and take my money! meme.
Until they make content that says otherwise, IT is still in play for me. I bet they expand the game, and if you take control or synthesis, you play as Kaiden and fight Reaper Shepard in the end, otherwise if you choose destruction, you play as Shepard and fight Harbinger in the end. Even if everything is real, I still think the other 2 options are traps, and the starchild is lying to you. Hell, AI stuck in a satellite for eons with nothing but bug people to talk to, I'd play sadistic jokes on people for fun too.
Until they make content that says otherwise, IT is still in play for me. I bet they expand the game, and if you take control or synthesis, you play as Kaiden and fight Reaper Shepard in the end, otherwise if you choose destruction, you play as Shepard and fight Harbinger in the end. Even if everything is real, I still think the other 2 options are traps, and the starchild is lying to you. Hell, AI stuck in a satellite for eons with nothing but bug people to talk to, I'd play sadistic jokes on people for fun too.
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Posté 04 juillet 2012 - 01:34
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TIM can solve anything by throwing money at it. Oh and experimenting on colonists.
Modifié par MegaSovereign, 04 juillet 2012 - 01:35 .
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Posté 04 juillet 2012 - 01:37
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How can our 50,000 years with our 6-7 species (with about half of them crippled) go head to head with countless cycles of reapers?
When I say 6-7 I am obviously not counting lesser factions like hanar, volus, drell etc.
When I say 6-7 I am obviously not counting lesser factions like hanar, volus, drell etc.
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Posté 04 juillet 2012 - 01:44
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Yawaru wrote...
People will complain then break out the Fry: Shut up and take my money! meme.
Until they make content that says otherwise, IT is still in play for me. I bet they expand the game, and if you take control or synthesis, you play as Kaiden and fight Reaper Shepard in the end, otherwise if you choose destruction, you play as Shepard and fight Harbinger in the end. Even if everything is real, I still think the other 2 options are traps, and the starchild is lying to you. Hell, AI stuck in a satellite for eons with nothing but bug people to talk to, I'd play sadistic jokes on people for fun too.
Refusal must really throw a wrench in that scenario, and so would having the VS dead. Not only that, but the epilogue slides pretty much confirm that the Catalyst wasn't lying.
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Posté 04 juillet 2012 - 01:46
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There is no conventional victory. Each have the 3 endings have philosophical implications behind them. What would be the point of a conventional victory? Talk about plot holes...it took Protheans hundreds of years to lose to the reapers yet Shepard can defeat the reapers ''Conventionally" in a year?
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Posté 04 juillet 2012 - 01:48
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Wont happen because its not art and everybody will pick it and not pick the other crappy endings
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Posté 04 juillet 2012 - 01:50
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Jason_53 wrote...
I think that first you must define what the best ending is.
Bioware has said very clearly that they won't change the endings so I don't see that DLC you propose coming.
Too bad because I like your idea.
Don't give up, if enough people stay pissed off they'll eventually relent for the want of selling future DLC.
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Posté 04 juillet 2012 - 01:50
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We don't have the resources... not we Shepard, we galaxy. Maybe if we had a century or something to prepare for the reaper we might have had them.
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Posté 04 juillet 2012 - 01:54
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From a story prospective, a conventional victory eliminates the choice in the current endings. Sure, you can technically still choose, but nobody wants a darker ending when a conventional victory is available. Who would choose either of the other three endings when you could just blow the Reapers up in a space battle? (Unless you buy the Catalyst's logic)
From a technical perspective, the idea that we can't beat the Reapers conventionally has been solidified throughout the series. It is always a matter of resources, but we don't have the time to get those resources.
Think about it. Until the beginning of Mass Effect 3, the galaxy at large refused to recognize the existence of the Reapers. Suddenly, they're being decimated by them. If we had more time to prepare - decades or centuries, even - then we could have amassed the technology and numbers required to defeat the Reapers conventionally. We could have surpassed them. Which is what I personally believe happens in the current Reject ending - Liara's capsule is found early enough by the next cycle for them to build up and prepare for the invasion, and they are able to defeat them conventionally.
From a technical perspective, the idea that we can't beat the Reapers conventionally has been solidified throughout the series. It is always a matter of resources, but we don't have the time to get those resources.
Think about it. Until the beginning of Mass Effect 3, the galaxy at large refused to recognize the existence of the Reapers. Suddenly, they're being decimated by them. If we had more time to prepare - decades or centuries, even - then we could have amassed the technology and numbers required to defeat the Reapers conventionally. We could have surpassed them. Which is what I personally believe happens in the current Reject ending - Liara's capsule is found early enough by the next cycle for them to build up and prepare for the invasion, and they are able to defeat them conventionally.
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Posté 05 juillet 2012 - 04:37
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What is a century or two? The Reapers come every 50,000 years for that same reason. They arent going to wait longer so that some synthetics can wipe out the galaxy or some organics can become so powerful that when the reaping begins they cant complete their directive.
Our cycle has had 50,000 years but we know their have been countless cycles that have been reaped letting the Reapers gain an even greater advantage on the remaining species. Also the species that are left dont know anything until well in their peak about what will happen. That may or may not be different given Liara's capsule.
Also what Military ever says we will fight a conventional campaign when there are options for victory. They will try the options before sacrificing all of their troops through a drawn out war. Why do you think they are pre-emptive strikes, nuclear deterrents and espionage. Why do you think the American drop the bombs and Japan capitulated. Thinking that a conventional victory is possible or even a better course of action would have led all the citadel species to not devote most of their efforts to construct the crucible
Our cycle has had 50,000 years but we know their have been countless cycles that have been reaped letting the Reapers gain an even greater advantage on the remaining species. Also the species that are left dont know anything until well in their peak about what will happen. That may or may not be different given Liara's capsule.
Also what Military ever says we will fight a conventional campaign when there are options for victory. They will try the options before sacrificing all of their troops through a drawn out war. Why do you think they are pre-emptive strikes, nuclear deterrents and espionage. Why do you think the American drop the bombs and Japan capitulated. Thinking that a conventional victory is possible or even a better course of action would have led all the citadel species to not devote most of their efforts to construct the crucible
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Posté 05 juillet 2012 - 04:41
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You can not comprehend the magnitude of the Reaper's presence!
