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[Shaleist]

This is mostly for the Thanemancers out there... not my cup of tea but I've been trying to brainstorm some ideas for all the wasted ME2 roster and here's my *probably cliche as Hell* idea to salvage a bit of the Thane/Femshep story.

1. I guess the biggest complaint is that there is no dialogue for Thane.   That wouldn't seem like a complicated thing to fix, but what exactly would the discussion be about?  I'd think something similar to the VS 'Presidium talk' only earlier in the game might alleviate that.  Shep gives Thane the 'You're dieing, not dead'  pep talk and convinces him to enjoy his last days a little bit more, and let the people that are good at writing tragic romance dialogue do their thing and flesh out some final disclosures. Or better yet... DON'T focus on impending doom for once.  Tired of them pouring misery over everything in the 3rd game.

2. Thane died saving the wrong person...
Khai Leng is a joke, and I'm sorry he's tied to any important characters demise... but I don't think we could expect BW to change that now.  However... let's imagine how that fight scene would have been better for an emotional engagement with a Shep/Thane LI story.   Let's say that the MOMENT Shepard and crew get to the ambassador, he/she escapes out of the room and we get a fight cut scene.  Le't s say space ninja knocks your 2 partners out of commission with some dastardly trick up his sleeve... fights Shepard one on one n a cut scene and actually has her dead to rights.  Wouldn't Thane jumping in right then and there and kicking Khai Leng's robo-ass work out even better?  It would definatly add an extra emotion to the whole ordeal.  Not saying he'd survive the fight, but it could open up to some heavy duty emotions for Shepard later on to know he died saving her.


Anyways these are my 2 'big' Thane ideas. I'm a terrible creative writer, otherwise I'd try to flesh this out a bit more.

[coldwetn0se]

Interesting ideas.  I have posted THIS on other threads, and it is linked on the "Romance Content in DLC" thread made by @giftfish.  It illustrates what they could do with Thane, that wouldn't change the base game outcome.  Instead, it would provide an alternate path for those that met certain criteria, and chose to have him live to the end of this series.  Happy gaming!

[Fauxnormal]

Shaleist wrote...

This is mostly for the Thanemancers out there... not my cup of tea but I've been trying to brainstorm some ideas for all the wasted ME2 roster and here's my *probably cliche as Hell* idea to salvage a bit of the Thane/Femshep story.

1. I guess the biggest complaint is that there is no dialogue for Thane.   That wouldn't seem like a complicated thing to fix, but what exactly would the discussion be about?  I'd think something similar to the VS 'Presidium talk' only earlier in the game might alleviate that.  Shep gives Thane the 'You're dieing, not dead'  pep talk and convinces him to enjoy his last days a little bit more, and let the people that are good at writing tragic romance dialogue do their thing and flesh out some final disclosures. Or better yet... DON'T focus on impending doom for once.  Tired of them pouring misery over everything in the 3rd game.

2. Thane died saving the wrong person...
Khai Leng is a joke, and I'm sorry he's tied to any important characters demise... but I don't think we could expect BW to change that now.  However... let's imagine how that fight scene would have been better for an emotional engagement with a Shep/Thane LI story.   Let's say that the MOMENT Shepard and crew get to the ambassador, he/she escapes out of the room and we get a fight cut scene.  Le't s say space ninja knocks your 2 partners out of commission with some dastardly trick up his sleeve... fights Shepard one on one n a cut scene and actually has her dead to rights.  Wouldn't Thane jumping in right then and there and kicking Khai Leng's robo-ass work out even better?  It would definatly add an extra emotion to the whole ordeal.  Not saying he'd survive the fight, but it could open up to some heavy duty emotions for Shepard later on to know he died saving her.


Anyways these are my 2 'big' Thane ideas. I'm a terrible creative writer, otherwise I'd try to flesh this out a bit more.

My god, childern.

IT'S A WAR. This is not supposed to be a happy-sunshiney fun everybody has smiles and laughter game. It's gloomy because, oh, I don't know, people are ****ing dying everywhere? Being turned into husks or worse? There is misery and pain and loss, and the game is not 'covered' in it. You get plenty of light hearted and sweet and funny moments at various points, along with a big helping of black humor. Go watch some Disney movie if you want Happily Every After and everybody smiling and laughing allt he time.

Yeah, let's turn Shep into nothing more then a damsel in distress when she has never been before,taking away a huge plot point, a massive plot step, and a very important moment in the game. because God knows it can only be emotional if he dies saving his OWE TWUE WUV. That's not trite, boring, cleche, stupid or makes no sense at all.

yeah. You are a terrible creative writer.

[Kataphrut94]

I don't think his death scene needs changing. It was extremly well done and his last words to Kolyat were really heartwarming. I got the impression in ME3 that Thane knew his death was innevitable and was content with knowing he'd put some good back in the world. Plus, i think the idea of dying in the process of stopping an assasination is very appropriate for him. It shows how far he's come since Illium, where he was quite content to kill himself while taking out Nassana Dantius.

That said, it would have been nice if we'd got more updating dialogue in the hospital like with Virmire Survivor. It bothered me that after the initial conversation, we'd end up just skipping past Thane to talk things over with VS about Horizon, Cerberus, the Spectres and all that jazz.

[Shaleist]

? Didn't say the guy lived Fauxnormal, just changing the circumstances of the mortal blow a little bit. Good point on Shepard not being damsel in distress as you say, but to be honest the same thing was forced on all Shepards at Thessia. They 'forced' you to be brooding and downtrodden for losing a scripted fight.  So yeah scratch that idea, it is a bit too leading.

Modifié par Shaleist, 04 juillet 2012 - 10:43 .

[nitefyre410]

The only thing they need to with Thanes death is added to it. He wanted to leave this world making a change and if you think about for his character his death is actually the natural progression of his story arc. Most of life he was fought and killed taking lives but in last and greatest fight he did it to protect something.

If anything they need to add some a more emotional response for FemSheps that romanced him... A tear ...one Indian tear that's all.

[Patchwork]

nitefyre410 wrote...

The only thing they need to with Thanes death is added to it. He wanted to leave this world making a change and if you think about for his character his death is actually the natural progression of his story arc. Most of life he was fought and killed taking lives but in last and greatest fight he did it to protect something.

If anything they need to add some a more emotional response for FemSheps that romanced him... A tear ...one Indian tear that's all.

Agreed Thane's romance or just the friendship path needed a date something simple like going to Garrus' shooting ledge and having a drink while watching the world go by.

His death is appropriate and doesn't need changing just throw in a interupt so a romanced Shepard can touch his jaw, hesitate for a moment before chasing after Kai Lang,

Then later instead of Garrus babbling on about the VS he says something about Thane.

[CHALET]

We get it. Thane-mancers should have had more time with him, but really so should every love interest Bar Writer's Pet Tsoni. Jack got about as many conversations as him - minus the London one - Jacob actually got LESS screen time and the added 'lol i knocked up brynn XDDDDD'.

Modifié par CHALET, 04 juillet 2012 - 02:03 .

[Shaleist]

Never said that wasn't true either Chalet. In hindsight I guess making a new thread on this was pointless though.

[CHALET]

Apologies if I came across as a bit aggressive, but these discussions about Thane do make me knee-jerk reply to the people going on about his one specific romance as if every other Romance was absolutely golden these days.

[ToaOrka]

There should be an option to go all bad-ass **** on Kai if your renegade/paragon is high enough. There's no way in hell a Vanguard or Soldier would just sit there and cower while her boyfriend got stabbed by a nightwing-wannabe.

...Someone tell me my want of this is not unreasonable.

[RShara]

And anti-Thane posts make me knee jerk reply that at least the other romances WERE ROMANCES.
But, FYI, most Thane-Mancers are aware of the shortcomings of the other romances and are active in pushing for THOSE too.

Also, what I think should happen is when Thane biotic throws KL's ass onto the floor, Shep+Co open fire and shoot his ass to bits.

Or, Paragon Interrupt, Shepard says, "Stand Down, Thane." then says to KL, "Surrender now, and we'll do our best to help you."
Renegade interrupt, "Stand down, Thane. He's MINE." opens fire and blasts him to bits.

[BadExamp1e]

Yeah, well that wouldn't work either.

KL has to push towards the council. The whole coup scene is pointless and is designed as a trust test for the VS. It's basically there to give the "haters" the chance to kill off the VS survivor. KL can't just be shot to bits there and then, otherwise the stand-off wouldn't happen. Besides, KL is needed big time for Thessia as well.

Shooting KL on the Citadel will never happen.

Modifié par BadExamp1e, 06 juillet 2012 - 05:04 .

[Casticus]

Not going to happen. Stop getting your hopes up with vain speculation.

[RShara]

I know, but it's what really should have happened, in my opinion!

How about, KL takes advantage of Shep's pause in telling Thane to stand down, and hauls ass outta there?

Oh hey...I just LOVE being told what to do

Modifié par RShara, 06 juillet 2012 - 05:07 .

[BadExamp1e]

I can agree. I think the whole coup scene was stupid and wasn't needed, but apparently it was needed for some. People wanted the VS dead - they got it.

[firel]

I'm gonna repost something I said earlier today on another thread.. I think this would be easy to implement and most things could stay as they are. Take into account that this would be an OPTION, or many prerequisites would have to be filled in order to get this.

Someone made this suggestion in another thread that I thought was good, lets say that the Thane vs. Kai Leng fight happens, but Thane survives the stab wound. He is still in poor condition, but alive. The salarian counselor thanks him and asks him what he can do as thanks, and Thane tell him to send salarian scientists to Kahje and help develop a cure. This would still keep Thane as a hero (you don't have to die to be a hero, after all) and even more so by wanting the Drell to be cured. He survives untill the end of the game, there's still the 'badass' KL scene and he's even more of a hero. Headcanon does the rest for a post-game cure.

[Casticus]

I for one am happy that someone's LI had to die in an unavoidable way, and I'm extremely pleased that it turned out to be Thane. So ultimately, I'm pretty happy with how it turned out, all things considered.

[BadExamp1e]

No offence, but Thane asking for a cure as a reward doesn't seem quite right to me.

I think the whole coup scene should have been done away with.

[RShara]

Good for you. I hope you sleep well at night with that attitude.

and btw

Modifié par RShara, 06 juillet 2012 - 05:18 .

[firel]

BadExamp1e wrote...

No offence, but Thane asking for a cure as a reward doesn't seem quite right to me.

I think the whole coup scene should have been done away with.

If it was a disease that was just affecting him - Sure. However it is the main malady affecting the drell, HIS people. And we know from him that he still has family on Kahje, and there's a chance that his son Kolyat could develop it as well. It would save hundreds of thousands of drell, not just him.

[RShara]

If, say, Thane had sacrificed himself while finding a cure for the entire drell race, and he was honored for it, that would have been a death worthy of his character.

[Casticus]

How is Thane going to find this cure? Is it just sitting around in a evil pharmaceutical company's maximum security vault so that they can save it up until the Drell become even more desperate and sell it at ungodly prices, while the mysterious CEO, cloaked in darkness smokes a cigar and pets his furry, white cat?

He's an assassin for Christ's sake.

[RShara]

The hanar are working on a cure. If, say, Mordin were to spend even a little bit of time on it, he would likely be able to speed up their work by years.
There are also researchers and operatives from LotSB that Liara could throw in. Heck the SB had Feron for years...you think he didn't run experiments on him?

Shepard has found just about everything else in the galaxy, a cure isn't really that far fetched.

Modifié par RShara, 06 juillet 2012 - 05:27 .

[BadExamp1e]

firel wrote...

BadExamp1e wrote...

No offence, but Thane asking for a cure as a reward doesn't seem quite right to me.

I think the whole coup scene should have been done away with.

If it was a disease that was just affecting him - Sure. However it is the main malady affecting the drell, HIS people. And we know from him that he still has family on Kahje, and there's a chance that his son Kolyat could develop it as well. It would save hundreds of thousands of drell, not just him.

Well that makes more sense, I suppose. But do you think that Thane would survive long enough for this cure to be developed and then later recieve it?

No, he couldn't get wounded like that and hold out for so long. The whole fight scene should have been done away with, if you wanted Thane to live. But then again, Thane would have no real impact on the game for those who didn't romance him. But as it stands, he has no real impact on the game for those who romanced him in 2.

Modifié par BadExamp1e, 06 juillet 2012 - 05:31 .