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[RShara]

Yeah Thane has no impact on the game, at all. If he's not there, Kirrahe takes his place and the galaxy goes its merry way.

I've said this in so many threads but apparently I need to keep explaining it.

Thane is eligible for a lung transplant. Shepard knows this at the end of LotSB. Would Shepard wait 6-8 months to meet up with him again at HM before bringing up this possibility?
Or would logic be put into play, and she would talk to him about a transplant asap? Then, he'd be more than healed enough to drive KL away during the coup.
And that would also give enough time for the hanar to finish their work on the cure, esp if Control and Synthesis bring more Reaper tech into play. In Destroy, well Shepard is the galaxy's hero (again). I think she'd have enough pull to put more resources toward that project.

[Casticus]

RShara wrote...

The hanar are working on a cure. If, say, Mordin were to spend even a little bit of time on it, he would likely be able to speed up their work by years.
There are also researchers and operatives from LotSB that Liara could throw in. Heck the SB had Feron for years...you think he didn't run experiments on him?

Shepard has found just about everything else in the galaxy, a cure isn't really that far fetched.

No, it really is. There's absolutely no reason to cure the Drell, given that their planet is a wasteland, they have no resources, wealth, or troops to fight the Reaper, and that time and money can all be used for things that matter, like the Crucible and actually defeating the Reapers, instead of on a bunch of suffocating toads.

Modifié par Casticus, 06 juillet 2012 - 05:37 .

[firel]

BadExamp1e wrote...

firel wrote...

BadExamp1e wrote...

No offence, but Thane asking for a cure as a reward doesn't seem quite right to me.

I think the whole coup scene should have been done away with.

If it was a disease that was just affecting him - Sure. However it is the main malady affecting the drell, HIS people. And we know from him that he still has family on Kahje, and there's a chance that his son Kolyat could develop it as well. It would save hundreds of thousands of drell, not just him.

Well that makes more sense, I suppose. But do you think that Thane would survive long enough for this cure to be developed and then later recieve it?

No, he couldn't get wounded like that and hold out for so long. The whole fight scene should have been done away with, if you wanted Thane to live. But then again, Thane would have no real impact on the game for those who didn't romance him. But as it stands, he has no real impact on the game for those who romanced him in 2.

Well people have survived getting shot in the head before, lol. The only reason why he didn't survive is because the Huerta hospital said they didn't have enough drell blood or something. Which is a bit silly seeing how it's a big hospital in the middle of the galactic community. So just doing that line away (Not the first thing Bioware would be retconning), or doing a short fetch quest for more blood if needed would probably keep him alive.

I agree, I think the Kai Leng fight was pretty stupid and should be scrapped. However we're trying to be a bit more realistic and I doubt Bioware would want to get rid of it, seeing how so many people thought it was 'badass' and liked it.

And unless they make a DLC mission with Thane in it, which has low chances, I doubt he will have much impact anyway. However getting the salarians (who are in his debt, and are very smart) to help his people seems more impactful and heroic.

Modifié par firel, 06 juillet 2012 - 05:37 .

[RShara]

Casticus wrote...

RShara wrote...

The hanar are working on a cure. If, say, Mordin were to spend even a little bit of time on it, he would likely be able to speed up their work by years.
There are also researchers and operatives from LotSB that Liara could throw in. Heck the SB had Feron for years...you think he didn't run experiments on him?

Shepard has found just about everything else in the galaxy, a cure isn't really that far fetched.

No, it really is. There's absolutely no reason to cure the Drell, given that their planet is a wasteland, they have no resources, wealth, or troops to fight the Reaper, and that time and money can all be used for things that matter, like the Crucible and actually defeating the Reapers, instead of on a bunch of suffocating toads.

Try getting some facts straight.  The drell are the mobile forces of the hanar.  There's even a specific quest to help the hanar and bring them and the drell into the war (check your codex).  However, that quest went to....Kasumi for some STRANGE reason.

If you don't like Thane, that's great, but why do you feel the need to insult him, and his race, and people who DO like him?

[BadExamp1e]

@RShara; Most ME2 characters have replacements.

The game was over at that stage. It's not like anybody got extra conversations with their love interest then, unless your love interest is called Liara.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Hanar haven't developed a cure come ME3 have they?

There should have been no coup scene. That way Thane wouldn't have gotten up out of his bed and attempted to do the noble and heroic thing - and would still be alive. Or at least, could have holded out longer. Perhaps until the end of ME3?

...But that would require re-writing the whole plot, and having no stand-off with the VS.

As for having no Drell blood - Thane's son gave blood - it didn't save him.

Modifié par BadExamp1e, 06 juillet 2012 - 05:47 .

[RShara]

Fetch quest for drell blood isn't any dumber than fetch quests for flags and statues.

But yeah, I really wish that ME3 could just be completely rewritten without all the aggravating things in it...

No the hanar cure is a few years from being ready. In ME2, Thane says he "doubts" that he'll live that long. But eh, Mordin sped up the curing of the genophage by years. SOMEONE could do the same for the drell, considering it's an entire species at stake.

Or...as I've mentioned...a lung transplant would extend Thane's life, and that could reasonably keep him alive long enough for the cure to be ready.

[Casticus]

RShara wrote...

Casticus wrote...

RShara wrote...

The hanar are working on a cure. If, say, Mordin were to spend even a little bit of time on it, he would likely be able to speed up their work by years.
There are also researchers and operatives from LotSB that Liara could throw in. Heck the SB had Feron for years...you think he didn't run experiments on him?

Shepard has found just about everything else in the galaxy, a cure isn't really that far fetched.

No, it really is. There's absolutely no reason to cure the Drell, given that their planet is a wasteland, they have no resources, wealth, or troops to fight the Reaper, and that time and money can all be used for things that matter, like the Crucible and actually defeating the Reapers, instead of on a bunch of suffocating toads.

Try getting some facts straight.  The drell are the mobile forces of the hanar.  There's even a specific quest to help the hanar and bring them and the drell into the war (check your codex).  However, that quest went to....Kasumi for some STRANGE reason.

If you don't like Thane, that's great, but why do you feel the need to insult him, and his race, and people who DO like him?

I know all about that quest. And notice how many war assests that quest was worth? Hardly any because the Drell are practically nonexistant as a military force. There's only a couple hundred thousand on the Hanar homeworld while billions more of them live savage lives on a barren planet. They are irrelevant and expendable.

Modifié par Casticus, 06 juillet 2012 - 05:49 .

[BadExamp1e]

Thane's son aready gave blood?

Agreed.

It's not an entire species at stake, it's one man who's lived what 3 months? Longer than expected. The majority of the species are fit and will be fine.

We don't really need that. What I think is needed: is for there to be no coup scene, or at the very least have Thane off the Citadel completey when the attack happens so he doesn't get involved. That way he could hold out until the end of the game, and when it's finished, I'm sure headcanon could take over.

But as I said before, that way he would have no real impact for unromanced players.

Modifié par BadExamp1e, 06 juillet 2012 - 05:59 .

[Han Shot First]

Thane's death scene is one of the best scenes in the entire series and thankfully will never be retconned away, just for the sake of rainbows and butterflies.

That being said, I do think Thanemancers should have got a little more dialogue with him, and his death should have been referenced by the squad.

[spamhead80]

Awww... Casticus, aren't you just a little ray of sunshine? You are trying way too hard, cupcake. Make up more realistic facts next time (billions of drell living on Rakhana... hahahahahhahahahaha).
Drell possess eidetic memories and are very strong for their compact size, which would probably give them decent survivability when not fighting opponents armed in plot armor. They are far less squishy than salarians, at least.

Modifié par spamhead80, 06 juillet 2012 - 06:01 .

[Emeraldfern]

@BadExample
Err... Kepral Syndrome is the leading cause of death for the drell. To say only Thane would benefit from a cure/treatment is thus incorrect.

And I don't get where the "hundred-thousand drell" fact is coming from. It was 200 years ago that "hundred-thousands" of drell were rescued by the Hanar, and considerating Rakhana was overpopulated by billions, I'd say that the drell certainly doesn't have any problems *ehem* "re-populating".

Modifié par Emeraldfern, 06 juillet 2012 - 06:02 .

[Tashash]

So Casticus, only those characters/races that can be of use should be protected? Forgive me if I'm wrong, but that seems to be your stance in the matter.

[Casticus]

spamhead80 wrote...

Awww... Casticus, aren't you just a little ray of sunshine? You are trying way too hard, cupcake. Make up more realistic facts next time (billions of drell living on Rakhana... hahahahahhahahahaha).
Drell possess eidetic memories and are very strong for their compact size, which would probably give them decent survivability when not fighting opponents armed in plot armor. They are far less squishy than salarians, at least.

 

There used to be billions of Drell there. Before they decided to become useless. They are a non factor in the Reaper War at this point.

[RShara]

I don't think that they actually did any blood transfusions. I mean there weren't any IV's or anything. Thane was still in his leather outfit for heaven's sakes.

BadExamp1e, you sem genuinely interested in some alternatives for Thane. It's a bit late here and my arguments are kind of wandering. But there are several Thane threads where we've hashed out multiple alternatives and scenarios and hopes if you want to take a look at them.
The Protest thread and this one have a lot of good info: http://social.biowar...076/30#12991627

I also have just been reminded of my manners and want to thank the OP for making this thread. It's good to see Thane get more love, and I will not turn it into a flamewar by baiting trolls.

I'm sure I'll have more to say tomorrow when my brain starts working again!

Edit:  Don't feed the troll!

Modifié par RShara, 06 juillet 2012 - 06:03 .

[Casticus]

Tashash wrote...

So Casticus, only those characters/races that can be of use should be protected? Forgive me if I'm wrong, but that seems to be your stance in the matter.

Absolutely correct. If the Reapers are committing genocide on billions of people in the galaxy as a whole. Then resources should not be wasted on saving some insignificant race with no war capacity, when these resources can be used to saving those who can actually contribute to stopping the Reaper threat. Drell had their chance and they failed.

Modifié par Casticus, 06 juillet 2012 - 06:06 .

[RShara]

Tashash wrote...

So Casticus, only those characters/races that can be of use should be protected? Forgive me if I'm wrong, but that seems to be your stance in the matter.

I think it's more, Only those characters/races that he likes should be protected.

We won't mention how the loss of a loved one can affect someone's will to fight.  And how Shepard fights for the big guys and the little guys (hello volus?), and that the point is uniting the *entire* galaxy.
Nope, we won't mention that at all.

Modifié par RShara, 06 juillet 2012 - 06:05 .

[spamhead80]

Casticus is gonna bootstrap the whole galaxy into a reaper defeat, just you watch. Who cares about genetic variety when you are cosplaying Councilor Udina?

[BadExamp1e]

Emeraldfern wrote...

@BadExample
Err... Kepral Syndrome is the leading cause of death for the drell. To say only Thane would benefit from a cure/treatment is thus incorrect.

And I don't get where the "hundred-thousand drell" fact is coming from. It was 200 years ago "hundred-thousands" of drell were rescued by the Hanar, and considerating Rakhana was overpopulated by billions, I'd say that the drell certainly doesn't have any problems *ehem* "re-populating".

So is a lot of diseases today. It doesn't mean that the entire species is at stake however.

I didn't say Thane would only benefit from it. But Thane's the only one we know of who needs it right this instant.

[RShara]

What If we could change Thane's death...

Kirrahe could save the Salarian councilor instead
Thane could have headshot Udina
Kolyat could rally the C-Sec forces and help save Bailey
Thane could run security on the Crucible and prevent the evil-rachni queen from damaging it

Just throwing thoughts out there. Yeah I'm tired.

[Casticus]

spamhead80 wrote...

Casticus is gonna bootstrap the whole galaxy into a reaper defeat, just you watch. Who cares about genetic variety when you are cosplaying Councilor Udina?

Diversity won't be much use when you're being processed by the Reapers because you decided to waste tons of resources to save Drell who offer no strategic benefit, besides their aptitude for choking to death. 

[Tashash]

Casticus wrote...

Tashash wrote...

So Casticus, only those characters/races that can be of use should be protected? Forgive me if I'm wrong, but that seems to be your stance in the matter.

Absolutely correct. If the Reapers are committing genocide on billions of races in the galaxy as a whole. Then resources should not be wasted on saving some insignificant race with no war capacity, when these resources can be used to saving those who can actually contribute to stopping the Reaper threat. Drell had their chance and they failed.

So, what races are worth saving, and which races are not, and what are the reasons; for the sake of inquiry?

And, actually, the Reapers are only interested in races that posess space flight capabilities, as an example they are leaving the Yagh alone. 'Billions' of races are not at risk.

[spamhead80]

Casticus, I am totally with you on this. We are just going to clone a whole friggin Udina army and let them whine and grovel at the reaper's until they leave the galaxy in disgust. You are a genius.

[Casticus]

Tashash wrote...

Casticus wrote...

Tashash wrote...

So Casticus, only those characters/races that can be of use should be protected? Forgive me if I'm wrong, but that seems to be your stance in the matter.

Absolutely correct. If the Reapers are committing genocide on billions of races in the galaxy as a whole. Then resources should not be wasted on saving some insignificant race with no war capacity, when these resources can be used to saving those who can actually contribute to stopping the Reaper threat. Drell had their chance and they failed.

So, what races are worth saving, and which races are not, and what are the reasons; for the sake of inquiry?

And, actually, the Reapers are only interested in races that posess space flight capabilities, as an example they are leaving the Yagh alone. 'Billions' of races are not at risk.

That was a typo. I already changed it to people. 

Why would anyone spend resources curing the Drell of their ridiculously humorous disease, when they could be using those resources to benefit the Council races who actually stand some chance against the Reapers? Even the batarians are more useful than the Drell. At least, they could keep from overpopulating their terrirtory and turning into savages.

[spamhead80]

Batarians also have four eyes, which means that they will see the reapers coming four times as fast as the other sentient races.

[RShara]

For many people, soldiers and civilians alike, war is an abstract thing. You can't really fight "For everyone" all the time.
Many people fight for an ideal as represented in a person. Fighting to keep their children, family, friends safe.
When that particular embodiment of the ideal is taken away, many people lose the will to keep fighting, or at least, to keep fighting as hard as they did when the ideal was present.

For many fans, the LI is the embodiment of that ideal. Garrus, Tali, Kaidan, Ashley. How many banners are floating around, "For the little blue children!"? How many people say they just want to build Tali that house on Rannoch?

For Thanemancers, Thane is that person. Without him, our Shepards lose that little something that allows her to succeed. She can still manage to get through to the end, but the spark is gone.

For us, the players, it's the same. We're invested in this character, and with such an ignomious death, it kills our desire to play this game.