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[jlocohustler]

Because this unit has a soul and EDI is totally awesome. I mean an AI that makes jokes and makes its own decisions? That's got to mean something!

[AxStapleton]

Walsh1980 wrote...

There had to be a downside to the Destroy ending. If the Geth and EDI live and the Galaxy isn't left in shambles, there would be no point in even having the other endings. Whether you agree with it or not, the writers drove home the fact that the Geth are a race of people. The choice is 1 (wo)man or an entire race. If Shepard is truly a paragon, destroy isn't an option, the Geth deserve to live. A renegade Shep however would be willing to sacrifice, or really murder them.

If you go through the game doing things like saving the Rachni why would that Shepard all of a sudden be willing to kill every Geth in the galaxy? For some kind of revenge and damn the consequences? Not that the other endings don't have their own downsides, but I don't see a paragon playthrough ending with an entire race murdered.

Shepard doesn't do it so he/she can live. Remember the Catalyst suggests that Shepard would also die. At this point Shepard assumes that he/she is dead anyway. To assume any of the endings as purely Paragon or Renegade is a false assumption. Perhaps a different paragon Shepard doesn't want to force the level of change that Synthesis does (some may see it as another form of genocide that doesn't require death) and doesn't want to take the horrendous risk of Control going sideways and that this new AI that control creates doesn't fully understand what Shepard would want (Shepard's memories, morals and goals without the organic context). And Control ends up being an incredibly Renegade decision if you are playing as a Renegade. The Shepard AI states that it is the leader of the Galaxy and all who oppose it will be destroyed.  You also forget that in Destroy the Reapers and the Catalyst are gone permenantly.

I am not supporting a particular ending but none of them are in anyway black or white, good or evil.

Modifié par AxStapleton, 04 juillet 2012 - 03:54 .

[Forsythia]

Of course I care about EDI, look at that padding! She's awesome regardless, and killing the Geth is just genocide. But I'd rather kill EDI and the Geth than choose Synthesis of Control, that's for sure. They wouldn't want that either.

[Forbry]

That's easy. Because they have (gotten/become) good-hearted souls.

[ff-leishi01]

Wasn't there a conversation between Adams and Chakwas in the Normandy mess hall? Chakwas argued that AI's Edi/Geth/Reapers are incapable of feelings, which she feels is what makes organics, well, organic. And that we are natural. Whereas Adams argues that the geth/edi/AI shares all the same rights as organics. My FSheps answer was based on my opinion. I feel it doesn't matter what 'type' of life you are, I think it does depend on your awareness, free will. They may not be alive, but they are a being, they exist and they have been shown to have independance, their own thoughts.
I chose the destroy option, simply because I wanted the reapers to be completely vanquished, I loved edi and the geth as a whole. Why do I love EDI and the Geth? Because throughout Shepards journey we see them from being slaves, to their own independance. I loved watching them fight back. EDI's growth touched me, does she have a soul? No, an unfortunate truth. But she is a being, with her own personality, as was legion in the end. That's why I love them! x

[Forbry]

For me a being with its own personality= a soul.

[Iakus]

Walsh1980 wrote...

There had to be a downside to the Destroy ending. If the Geth and EDI live and the Galaxy isn't left in shambles, there would be no point in even having the other endings. Whether you agree with it or not, the writers drove home the fact that the Geth are a race of people. The choice is 1 (wo)man or an entire race. If Shepard is truly a paragon, destroy isn't an option, the Geth deserve to live. A renegade Shep however would be willing to sacrifice, or really murder them.

If you go through the game doing things like saving the Rachni why would that Shepard all of a sudden be willing to kill every Geth in the galaxy? For some kind of revenge and damn the consequences? Not that the other endings don't have their own downsides, but I don't see a paragon playthrough ending with an entire race murdered.

First, the galaxy's already in shambles.  Palaven?  Thessia?  Kar'Shan?  Earth?

Second, by choosing Destroy, you are rejecting the Reapers entirely.  You have to rebuild the galaxy on your own.  No friendly green space-magic Reapers to give you all their knowledge.  No unstoppable fleet of Sharpard-AI controlled Reapers to help you rebuild and protect the galaxy.  You're on your own.  You live or die by your own mistakes. You find your own path.

What more downside does there have to be?  You spurn the easy path, the shortcuts (a paragon outlook), and choose to develop on your own.  Why should that mean sacrificing an entire race to accomplish that

[Vortex13]

ff-leishi01 wrote...

Wasn't there a conversation between Adams and Chakwas in the Normandy mess hall? Chakwas argued that AI's Edi/Geth/Reapers are incapable of feelings, which she feels is what makes organics, well, organic. And that we are natural. Whereas Adams argues that the geth/edi/AI shares all the same rights as organics. My FSheps answer was based on my opinion. I feel it doesn't matter what 'type' of life you are, I think it does depend on your awareness, free will. They may not be alive, but they are a being, they exist and they have been shown to have independance, their own thoughts.
I chose the destroy option, simply because I wanted the reapers to be completely vanquished, I loved edi and the geth as a whole. Why do I love EDI and the Geth? Because throughout Shepards journey we see them from being slaves, to their own independance. I loved watching them fight back. EDI's growth touched me, does she have a soul? No, an unfortunate truth. But she is a being, with her own personality, as was legion in the end. That's why I love them! x

I agree with you on all points except the soul thing, but to each their own I guess. It is this deep attachment that I feel to EDI and the Geth as characters that makes the fact that they always have to die in Destroy unacceptable to me. Throughout the series my Shepard, and the people supporting him have always said that stopping the Reapers, that removing them from the galaxy was the only way to end their threat. EDI and the Geth are with me all the way in this war, and all the good guys agree that dead Reapers is how the war will be won.

But in the last five minutes of the game I am told that I am wrong, that the Reapers aren't all that bad, and most importantly that if I continue with my intention (started  all the way back in the first game) that my closest allies have to suffer. In order to save everyone I have to jepordize my paragon Shepard's morals and beliefs, and agree with the Reapers that synthetics can't be trusted and must either be controled, mutated, or executed. Characters that Bioware spent the last two games humanizing and showing that peaceful co-existence is possible suddenly can't be trusted, and have to be killed in order to stop the Reapers.

It isn't even about the fact that Shepard can survive Destroy, I would personally be okay with Shepard dying in every ending, but it is about the fact that in order to kill the Reapers without killing allies I have to say that they were right in some capacity.

[The Genophage]

Maybe just for the pure fact I don't want to kill my allies who fought with me and die for me, just for the fact to ensure victory in war, whether it be Geth or anyone else.

[ImperatorMortis]

I don't care about them.

I resolved the Geth Quarian conflict peacefully, but I don't really care about the Geth.

[Lisa_H]

I liked both the geth and EDI but if I had to kill them to save the rest of the galaxy, so be it. I rather sacrifice them than picking control or synthesis. Contol feel like it will backfire sooner or later, and synthesis is completely abhorrent to me.

[Big I]

'The choice is "save the world at the cost of billions of people and yourself" or "save the world at the cost of yourself". I'd never pick Destroy.

[EpicSpaceWolf]

ff-leishi01 wrote...

Wasn't there a conversation between Adams and Chakwas in the Normandy mess hall? Chakwas argued that AI's Edi/Geth/Reapers are incapable of feelings, which she feels is what makes organics, well, organic. And that we are natural. Whereas Adams argues that the geth/edi/AI shares all the same rights as organics. My FSheps answer was based on my opinion. I feel it doesn't matter what 'type' of life you are, I think it does depend on your awareness, free will. They may not be alive, but they are a being, they exist and they have been shown to have independance, their own thoughts.
I chose the destroy option, simply because I wanted the reapers to be completely vanquished, I loved edi and the geth as a whole. Why do I love EDI and the Geth? Because throughout Shepards journey we see them from being slaves, to their own independance. I loved watching them fight back. EDI's growth touched me, does she have a soul? No, an unfortunate truth. But she is a being, with her own personality, as was legion in the end. That's why I love them! x

agree with you on all of that.