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[elitehunter34]

MerchantGOL wrote...

 Beign form the same device dosent mean any thing, seing as  that device has  diffrnet ablities, three if you ignore the evidence that the destory wave comes about via a forced malfunction.

Furhtermore you are ignoring the huge difrence between organics and synthetics

Plus as 
Naugi  says how would it know not to target the geth.

How would it know not to target geth?  How would it know how to recognize the differences between synthetics and organics (and the differences between different organic/synthetic races because upgrades to Asari will be different than upgrades to Hanar for example) and then is able to make these changes almost instantly on a galactic level.  This is something that is arguable only achievable by the most incredibly and unfathomably advanced technology the galaxy has ever known.

The device is capable of recognize the distinctions between different races.  You admit this yourself.  [color=rgb(170, 170, 170)">It must be able to by the very definition of Synthesis. ]The Crucible is capable of distinguishing. [/color]   Therefore, there is no reason to assume that it shouldn't be able to distinguish between the Geth/EDI and the Reapers.  Until you give me evidence, actual evidence, NOT speculation (saying it's like EMP is speculation) then I have no reason to assume I'm wrong.

Modifié par elitehunter34, 04 juillet 2012 - 04:16 .

[MerchantGOL]

Naugi wrote...

elitehunter34 wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

same machine but a diffrent effect, thats lie sayign a sword and a hammer will do the same type of damage if you swing them in to some ones head, which they wont. one will slice the other will do blunt force damage

futhermore like i said, the destory wave is a Foced malfunction of the crucible if you look at how it comes about but even if it werent, Organics and  synthetics are diffrent and would not be handeld the same way.

Your entire analogy does not make sense because swords and hammers are different machines.  I am not going to get into semantics, if you think that swords and hammers are "the same machine" I am not going to waste any more time arguing with you.  You clearly do not know the implications of what you're saying.

You clearly take for granted your own liking of the Geth / EDI and expect an ingame device to know this.

The choice comes from the player choosing one of the options. Each option performs a set function. It doesnt matter if the technology exists to make those options vary the functions they carry out, that hasnt been applied to them, they each do one set thing.

An EMP doesnt destroy all electronic devices except for the helicopter you are stting in at the time. If you set one off in a helicopter you are going to go downwards very fast, like it or not.

What the options actually do is not influenced by Shepard. Cannot be influenced by Shepard. There is no logical way for the device to have been built to take into account Shepards emotions.

If they were you would need dozens of choices, not four. There is no way to make Destroy kill the beings that you as a player dont like and save the ones you do. What if you like EDI but not the Geth? What if you like the Geth but not EDI? Do you not see that the Destroy beam would need multiple sub options in order to fit to your personal attachments to in game characters / races?

None of the options change depending on who you like. Their abilities are set. You may as well ask for Synthesis to Synthesise everyone except the Vorcha because you dont like them. Thats what you are asking the Destroy beam to be capable of.

I Like this human He understands!

[daaaav]

Naugi wrote...

elitehunter34 wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

same machine but a diffrent effect, thats lie sayign a sword and a hammer will do the same type of damage if you swing them in to some ones head, which they wont. one will slice the other will do blunt force damage

futhermore like i said, the destory wave is a Foced malfunction of the crucible if you look at how it comes about but even if it werent, Organics and  synthetics are diffrent and would not be handeld the same way.

Your entire analogy does not make sense because swords and hammers are different machines.  I am not going to get into semantics, if you think that swords and hammers are "the same machine" I am not going to waste any more time arguing with you.  You clearly do not know the implications of what you're saying.

You clearly take for granted your own liking of the Geth / EDI and expect an ingame device to know this.

The choice comes from the player choosing one of the options. Each option performs a set function. It doesnt matter if the technology exists to make those options vary the functions they carry out, that hasnt been applied to them, they each do one set thing.

An EMP doesnt destroy all electronic devices except for the helicopter you are stting in at the time. If you set one off in a helicopter you are going to go downwards very fast, like it or not.

What the options actually do is not influenced by Shepard. Cannot be influenced by Shepard. There is no logical way for the device to have been built to take into account Shepards emotions.

If they were you would need dozens of choices, not four. There is no way to make Destroy kill the beings that you as a player dont like and save the ones you do. What if you like EDI but not the Geth? What if you like the Geth but not EDI? Do you not see that the Destroy beam would need multiple sub options in order to fit to your personal attachments to in game characters / races?

None of the options change depending on who you like. Their abilities are set. You may as well ask for Synthesis to Synthesise everyone except the Vorcha because you dont like them. Thats what you are asking the Destroy beam to be capable of.

The crucible can do whatever the writers want it to damn well do.

If it can do whatever synthesis does then it can do anything.

[elitehunter34]

Naugi wrote...

You clearly take for granted your own liking of the Geth / EDI and expect an ingame device to know this.

The choice comes from the player choosing one of the options. Each option performs a set function. It doesnt matter if the technology exists to make those options vary the functions they carry out, that hasnt been applied to them, they each do one set thing.

An EMP doesnt destroy all electronic devices except for the helicopter you are stting in at the time. If you set one off in a helicopter you are going to go downwards very fast, like it or not.

What the options actually do is not influenced by Shepard. Cannot be influenced by Shepard. There is no logical way for the device to have been built to take into account Shepards emotions.

If they were you would need dozens of choices, not four. There is no way to make Destroy kill the beings that you as a player dont like and save the ones you do. What if you like EDI but not the Geth? What if you like the Geth but not EDI? Do you not see that the Destroy beam would need multiple sub options in order to fit to your personal attachments to in game characters / races?

None of the options change depending on who you like. Their abilities are set. You may as well ask for Synthesis to Synthesise everyone except the Vorcha because you dont like them. Thats what you are asking the Destroy beam to be capable of.

I never said I liked the Geth/EDI.  Don't use red herrings to shift the focus of the argument.  If you don't know what a Red Herring is google it.

You're entire argument is a straw man.  I'm not asking the for the Geth/EDI to be saved because I like them.  I'm arguing that there is no reason for the Crucible to kill the Geth/EDI because it has the technology to do avoid doing so.

[MerchantGOL]

elitehunter34 wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

 Beign form the same device dosent mean any thing, seing as  that device has  diffrnet ablities, three if you ignore the evidence that the destory wave comes about via a forced malfunction.

Furhtermore you are ignoring the huge difrence between organics and synthetics

Plus as 
Naugi  says how would it know not to target the geth.

How would it know not to target geth?  How would it know how to recognize the differences between synthetics and organics (and the differences between different organic/synthetic races because upgrades to Asari will be different than upgrades to Hanar for example) and then is able to make these changes almost instantly on a galactic level.  This is something that is arguable only achievable by the most incredibly and unfathomably advanced technology the galaxy has ever known.

The device is capable of recognize the distinctions between different races.  You admit this yourself.  [color=rgb(170, 170, 170)">It must be able to by the very definition of Synthesis. ]The Crucible is capable of distinguishing. [/color]   Therefore, there is no reason to assume that it shouldn't be able to distinguish between the Geth/EDI and the Reapers.  Until you give me evidence, actual evidence, NOT speculation (saying it's like EMP is speculation) then I have no reason to assume I'm wrong.

Again you contiue to ignore that machinees and orgnaics are diffrent, it would be easier to sort outorganics the synthitics

futhermore if synthesis targest all organice life on a gentci scale then it dosent need to difeientrate it  just  throws in what ever its doing on that levle.


also again destorying  some thing is vastly diffrent then synthesis in the effect. as well as  ive staed   its clear that  the destory wave is not the intended  use for the curcible  seing as  shepard  has to activate that by manualy  destorying some thing, its a forced  malfunction.


@ daaav if you know how they make husks Synthesis isnt tha tbig of a stretch

Modifié par MerchantGOL, 04 juillet 2012 - 04:25 .

[Naugi]

daaaav wrote...

Made it up?

Shepherd sacrifices Edi and the Geth, to the Catalyst, in order to destroy the Reapers, because the Catalyst told him to do so.

How is this different to a primitive man sacrificing a virgin, to his deity, in order to stop the "insert bad event here", because his deity told him to do so?

i'll admit that this isn't Shpeherds fault. It is Bioware's.

Shepard doesnt sacrifice anyone to the Catalyst, the Catalyst has no interest in the death of EDI or the Geth and doesnt tell Shepard to choose Destroy. All of this is in your imagination. He doesnt ask for a sacrifice, doesnt even recommend Destroy, he WARNS Shepard about the consequences of Destroy, he doesnt ask for a sacrifice.

You really should replay or rewatch the Catalyst conversation as he doesnt even come close to telling Shepard to sacrifice the Geth to him, thats not even a logical conclusion based on what he does say, its a complete fabrication.

The device performs a function that doesnt discriminate between who Shepard has an emotional attachment to, who he likes and who he doesnt like. How could it? You are asking the Citadel + Crucible to know what is in Shepards heart when it is built before he even gets to it, and perform multiple  functions according to his emotions. You serious??

[elitehunter34]

daaaav wrote...

The crucible can do whatever the writers want it to damn well do.

If it can do whatever synthesis does then it can do anything.

Exactly.  The destruction of the Geth/EDI is contrived.

[MerchantGOL]

elitehunter34 wrote...

daaaav wrote...

The crucible can do whatever the writers want it to damn well do.

If it can do whatever synthesis does then it can do anything.

Exactly.  The destruction of the Geth/EDI is contrived.

Synthesis isnt that big of a leap if you pay atnetion to the codex and edi/geths deaths arent Contrived

[Naugi]

elitehunter34 wrote...

Naugi wrote...

You clearly take for granted your own liking of the Geth / EDI and expect an ingame device to know this.

The choice comes from the player choosing one of the options. Each option performs a set function. It doesnt matter if the technology exists to make those options vary the functions they carry out, that hasnt been applied to them, they each do one set thing.

An EMP doesnt destroy all electronic devices except for the helicopter you are stting in at the time. If you set one off in a helicopter you are going to go downwards very fast, like it or not.

What the options actually do is not influenced by Shepard. Cannot be influenced by Shepard. There is no logical way for the device to have been built to take into account Shepards emotions.

If they were you would need dozens of choices, not four. There is no way to make Destroy kill the beings that you as a player dont like and save the ones you do. What if you like EDI but not the Geth? What if you like the Geth but not EDI? Do you not see that the Destroy beam would need multiple sub options in order to fit to your personal attachments to in game characters / races?

None of the options change depending on who you like. Their abilities are set. You may as well ask for Synthesis to Synthesise everyone except the Vorcha because you dont like them. Thats what you are asking the Destroy beam to be capable of.

I never said I liked the Geth/EDI.  Don't use red herrings to shift the focus of the argument.  If you don't know what a Red Herring is google it.

You're entire argument is a straw man.  I'm not asking the for the Geth/EDI to be saved because I like them.  I'm arguing that there is no reason for the Crucible to kill the Geth/EDI because it has the technology to do avoid doing so.

lmao, seriously? You dont even know what youre saying. You dont want the Geth / EDI to die because YOU  like them. The only ingame representation of this is that Shepard likes them, you're playing as Shepard, if you want the beam not to kill the Geth and EDI then the only way this can work logically in the game is that Shepard, also, wants the beam to not kill the Geth and EDI because he likes them.

So again, I ask you, how can an EMP style device that destroys synthetics know which ones Commander Shepard likes?

[daaaav]

MerchantGOL wrote...

elitehunter34 wrote...

daaaav wrote...

The crucible can do whatever the writers want it to damn well do.

If it can do whatever synthesis does then it can do anything.

Exactly.  The destruction of the Geth/EDI is contrived.

Synthesis isnt that big of a leap if you pay atnetion to the codex and edi/geths deaths arent Contrived

Synthesis not a big leap?

Look it's pointless arguing the mechanics of a Deus Ex Machina wrapped in a Macguffin.

The fact is that the crucible functions to the writers intentions. In this case it is capable of "doing" synthesis but not discriminating between Reapers and Geth. The only justification is that the writers said so. Contrived.

Modifié par daaaav, 04 juillet 2012 - 04:32 .

[Iakus]

Naugi wrote...

lmao, seriously? You dont even know what youre saying. You dont want the Geth / EDI to die because YOU  like them. The only ingame representation of this is that Shepard likes them, you're playing as Shepard, if you want the beam not to kill the Geth and EDI then the only way this can work logically in the game is that Shepard, also, wants the beam to not kill the Geth and EDI because he likes them.

So again, I ask you, how can an EMP style device that destroys synthetics know which ones Commander Shepard likes?

I dunno, how does it know not to target biotics or cyborgs (except Shepard apparantly?)  Those are partly-synthetic beings.

The blast is selective to only target what Bioware wants targeted.

[MerchantGOL]

iakus wrote...

Naugi wrote...

lmao, seriously? You dont even know what youre saying. You dont want the Geth / EDI to die because YOU  like them. The only ingame representation of this is that Shepard likes them, you're playing as Shepard, if you want the beam not to kill the Geth and EDI then the only way this can work logically in the game is that Shepard, also, wants the beam to not kill the Geth and EDI because he likes them.

So again, I ask you, how can an EMP style device that destroys synthetics know which ones Commander Shepard likes?

I dunno, how does it know not to target biotics or cyborgs (except Shepard apparantly?)  Those are partly-synthetic beings.

Biotics arent partialy  synthetic, and what cyborgs do we see that are fine after thewave?

[Naugi]

elitehunter34 wrote...

daaaav wrote...

The crucible can do whatever the writers want it to damn well do.

If it can do whatever synthesis does then it can do anything.

Exactly.  The destruction of the Geth/EDI is contrived.

The problem is, in the game, each beam performs one function. To distinguish between the synthetic races Shepard likes and the ones he doesnt like, it would need to have at least 3 sub options:

Destroy all
Destroy Reapers and Geth but not EDI
Destroy Reapers and EDI but not Geth
Destroy EDI and the Geth but not the Reapers (for super Renegade Shepards, haha)

None of the choices feature sub choices like this.

Synthesis cannot only work on the races you like but leave the other ones out. It applies the effect to everyone. What you are arguing with Destroy is exactly the same as asking for the Synthesis option to not Synthesise the Vorcha and the Rachni because you dont want them included, because you dont like them. It Synthesises EVERYONE.

Destroy applies its effect to EVERYONE.

Control controls EVERYONE.

[MerchantGOL]

daaaav wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

elitehunter34 wrote...

daaaav wrote...

The crucible can do whatever the writers want it to damn well do.

If it can do whatever synthesis does then it can do anything.

Exactly.  The destruction of the Geth/EDI is contrived.

Synthesis isnt that big of a leap if you pay atnetion to the codex and edi/geths deaths arent Contrived

Synthesis not a big leap?

Look it's pointless arguing the mechanics of a Deus Ex Machina wrapped in a Macguffin.

The fact is that the crucible functions to the writers intentions. In this case it is capable of "doing" synthesis but not discriminating between Reapers and Geth. The only justification is that the writers said so. Contrived.

no  synthesis isnt a big leap, the repaers do the same thing in theroy every time they create a husk

and no its not contrived because as me and  naugi have explained their are plenty of reason why it wouldnt  that are really frigging obvious

[daaaav]

Naugi wrote...

elitehunter34 wrote...

daaaav wrote...

The crucible can do whatever the writers want it to damn well do.

If it can do whatever synthesis does then it can do anything.

Exactly.  The destruction of the Geth/EDI is contrived.

The problem is, in the game, each beam performs one function. To distinguish between the synthetic races Shepard likes and the ones he doesnt like, it would need to have at least 3 sub options:

Destroy all
Destroy Reapers and Geth but not EDI
Destroy Reapers and EDI but not Geth
Destroy EDI and the Geth but not the Reapers (for super Renegade Shepards, haha)

None of the choices feature sub choices like this.

Synthesis cannot only work on the races you like but leave the other ones out. It applies the effect to everyone. What you are arguing with Destroy is exactly the same as asking for the Synthesis option to not Synthesise the Vorcha and the Rachni because you dont want them included, because you dont like them. It Synthesises EVERYONE.

Destroy applies its effect to EVERYONE.

Control controls EVERYONE.

Yes except that control DOESN'T control everyone. Why? Writer intention!

The whole damn thing is contrived.

It's just turtles all the way down to borrow a now famous analogy.

[MerchantGOL]

control has a guiding mind behind it the other waves don't

[elitehunter34]

Naugi wrote...

lmao, seriously? You dont even know what youre saying. You dont want the Geth / EDI to die because YOU  like them. The only ingame representation of this is that Shepard likes them, you're playing as Shepard, if you want the beam not to kill the Geth and EDI then the only way this can work logically in the game is that Shepard, also, wants the beam to not kill the Geth and EDI because he likes them.

So again, I ask you, how can an EMP style device that destroys synthetics know which ones Commander Shepard likes?

If you are going to continue to straw man me I will not continue this debate.  Give me evidence right now that shows that my argument is based on me liking the Geth/EDI.  You're entire argument is based on this assumption.

My argument is that the deaths of the Geth/EDI feel contrived because the Crucible has shown that it has the technology to avoid doing so.  
Me liking the Geth/EDI is entirely irrelevant to my argument. 

"So again, I ask you, how can an EMP style device that destroys synthetics know which ones Commander Shepard likes  [how to distinguish between the Reapers and other synthetics]? "

Because it is reasonable to assume that it has sufficently advanced technology to do so.  If it can do Synthesis, then it can distinguish between the Geth/EDI.  You might disagree with that, fine, but don't insult me by deliberately misrepresenting my arguments.

[Naugi]

daaaav wrote...

Naugi wrote...

elitehunter34 wrote...

daaaav wrote...

The crucible can do whatever the writers want it to damn well do.

If it can do whatever synthesis does then it can do anything.

Exactly.  The destruction of the Geth/EDI is contrived.

The problem is, in the game, each beam performs one function. To distinguish between the synthetic races Shepard likes and the ones he doesnt like, it would need to have at least 3 sub options:

Destroy all
Destroy Reapers and Geth but not EDI
Destroy Reapers and EDI but not Geth
Destroy EDI and the Geth but not the Reapers (for super Renegade Shepards, haha)

None of the choices feature sub choices like this.

Synthesis cannot only work on the races you like but leave the other ones out. It applies the effect to everyone. What you are arguing with Destroy is exactly the same as asking for the Synthesis option to not Synthesise the Vorcha and the Rachni because you dont want them included, because you dont like them. It Synthesises EVERYONE.

Destroy applies its effect to EVERYONE.

Control controls EVERYONE.

Yes except that control DOESN'T control everyone. Why? Writer intention!

The whole damn thing is contrived.

It's just turtles all the way down to borrow a now famous analogy.

Haha, knew you would pick the one thing in my entire post that had a slight flaw and onyl comment on that, typical!

I was just about to edit it to say that it only controls those eligible, i.e. ALL REAPERS, you cant tell it that you dont like Harbinger and have it blow him up instead.

Honestly, that was lame to just pick the last sentence and ignore the rest, very lame. You're not answering anything put forward and deliberately evading everything that proves you horribly wrong.

Pointless when you encounter someone that stubborn to carry on. You dont like what the writers did, I get that. But at least as the options are in the game, you cannot expect the Destroy option operate in any other way than to kill everything it is set to target.

Control does CONTROL EVERYONE it is set to target.
Synthesis does the same, as does Destroy.
You cannot ask Destroy to vary its targets according to Shepards heart.

[Biotic Flash Kick]

Being fair
Legion and EDI were my favorite new Squaddies
It REALLY REALLY makes it hard for me to pick destroy
so after thinking about it
i shot starbrat 50 feet away near the destroy tower
I'd rather die fighting then sacrafice them

The geth City Tron...
One of the best levels and not a single enemy
okay the reaper virus but eh

Modifié par Biotic Flash Kick, 04 juillet 2012 - 04:47 .

[MerchantGOL]

elitehunter34 wrote...

Naugi wrote...

lmao, seriously? You dont even know what youre saying. You dont want the Geth / EDI to die because YOU  like them. The only ingame representation of this is that Shepard likes them, you're playing as Shepard, if you want the beam not to kill the Geth and EDI then the only way this can work logically in the game is that Shepard, also, wants the beam to not kill the Geth and EDI because he likes them.

So again, I ask you, how can an EMP style device that destroys synthetics know which ones Commander Shepard likes?

Because it is reasonable to assume that it has sufficently advanced technology to do so.  If it can do Synthesis, then it can distinguish between the Geth/EDI.  You might disagree with that, fine, but don't insult me by deliberately misrepresenting my arguments.

Organics are not Synthetics just becuase  it works for one dose not mean it works for both and you have no proof synthesis defientriates,

Modifié par MerchantGOL, 04 juillet 2012 - 04:47 .

[daaaav]

MerchantGOL wrote...

control has a guiding mind behind it the other waves don't

And we're back to attempting to define the mechanics of a machine that is at best poorly defined and at worst a complete unknown.

This is why MacGuffins and Deus Ex Machinas have no place in a good story.

Modifié par daaaav, 04 juillet 2012 - 04:51 .

[Naugi]

elitehunter34 wrote...

Naugi wrote...

lmao, seriously? You dont even know what youre saying. You dont want the Geth / EDI to die because YOU  like them. The only ingame representation of this is that Shepard likes them, you're playing as Shepard, if you want the beam not to kill the Geth and EDI then the only way this can work logically in the game is that Shepard, also, wants the beam to not kill the Geth and EDI because he likes them.

So again, I ask you, how can an EMP style device that destroys synthetics know which ones Commander Shepard likes?

If you are going to continue to straw man me I will not continue this debate.  Give me evidence right now that shows that my argument is based on me liking the Geth/EDI.  You're entire argument is based on this assumption.

My argument is that the deaths of the Geth/EDI feel contrived because the Crucible has shown that it has the technology to avoid doing so.  
Me liking the Geth/EDI is entirely irrelevant to my argument. 

"So again, I ask you, how can an EMP style device that destroys synthetics know which ones Commander Shepard likes  [how to distinguish between the Reapers and other synthetics]? "

Because it is reasonable to assume that it has sufficently advanced technology to do so.  If it can do Synthesis, then it can distinguish between the Geth/EDI.  You might disagree with that, fine, but don't insult me by deliberately misrepresenting my arguments.

Honestly you misquote yourself and misreprensent your own argument, and dont even acknowledge the basic fact of the matter that not wanting EDI or the Geth to die is an emotional issue.

You dont answer anything that asks how a machine knows which synthetic races in the galaxy Commander Shepards wants it not to target?

Its all based on emotional attachments that you take for granted, that you assume Shepard shares, and that you somehow miraculously expect a mechanical device to know about.

You so take for granted that EDI and the Geth do not belong in the group with the Reapers that you expect somehow the device to have been built knowing this too. It was assembled, it would need to have been built with an extra bit in it that removes EDI and the Geth from its targetting. Who would build it like that, why would they? How would they know they had to? Would they have a board meeting and say 'look guys, we really cant have this thing killing the Geth, Shepard really likes them, so take this bit out here (see instructions, part 4. and we should be fine!'

You just dont get it, I dont think you will. Nevermind, its been amusing.

Modifié par Naugi, 04 juillet 2012 - 04:56 .

[Iakus]

MerchantGOL wrote...

iakus wrote...

Naugi wrote...

lmao, seriously? You dont even know what youre saying. You dont want the Geth / EDI to die because YOU  like them. The only ingame representation of this is that Shepard likes them, you're playing as Shepard, if you want the beam not to kill the Geth and EDI then the only way this can work logically in the game is that Shepard, also, wants the beam to not kill the Geth and EDI because he likes them.

So again, I ask you, how can an EMP style device that destroys synthetics know which ones Commander Shepard likes?

I dunno, how does it know not to target biotics or cyborgs (except Shepard apparantly?)  Those are partly-synthetic beings.

Biotics arent partialy  synthetic, and what cyborgs do we see that are fine after thewave?

Biotics are cyborgs.  They have implants in their nervous systems and brains.  That's why Kaidan has migraines:  his L2 implants aren't totally stable.  One reason he gave for not getting new ones is one slipup  from a surgeon could leave him brain damaged  How bad would a galaxy-wide EMP be?

As for other cyborgs, the quarians are a good example...

[MerchantGOL]

daaaav wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

control has a guiding mind behind it the other waves don't

And we're back to attempting to define the mechanics of a machine that is at best poorly defined and at worst a complete unknown.

This is why MacGuffins and Deus Ex Machinas have no place in a good story.

Lord of the rings, The matrix,the previous mass effect games, the fall out games, and many many other stories in diffrnet medias all say your wrong.


but even then  the machien has no bearing ont he fact that their is a firgging diffrence between organics and synthetics

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I hate the damned Geth, Legion excepted. I play too much multi-player. If you play MP you will hate the Geth. You will hate them more than Cerberus and the Reapers combined -- well except for phantoms who need to be nerfed.

Bakara, Wrex, Grunt, and that refined fellow on Illium are the only four Krogan I've met in game I've liked. The rest? Ugh! They deserved the damned genophage -- launching asteroids at planets. Bunch of goddam terrorists.

EDI? It was sad to have to terminate her with destroy at the end, but what are you going to do? I didn't write the story.