wantedman dan wrote...
N7Gold wrote...
You can't fight a battle with fear compromising your resolve either.
And by fear, I hope you mean falling for the Catalyst's obvious appeals to probability and such, thus choosing one of the fatally flawed original options.
wantedman dan wrote...
KotorEffect3 wrote...
That aint bad writing at all. It is javik making perfect damn sense.
It's poor writing.
If you can't fight a battle with your honor intact, how are you any better than the enemy you're fighting?
The obvious answer is, you aren't.
Greylycantrope wrote...
KotorEffect3 wrote...
It isn't about being "better" than your enemy. It is about surviving. It is about doing what must be done in order to win a future for the unborn daughters and sons out there. It is about a future for Earth, Palevan, Tuchanka, Thessia, Sur Kesh, Rannoch, etc... It is about making sure all the sacrifices that have been made along the way aren't in vain. You talk of honor but if you are willing to throw everyone else to the reapers in order to satisfy your "honor", you have no honor in the first place. All you have is self righteous vanity.
I find life for the sake of life hollow and meaningless personally, it's not a question of pride. Everyone dies at some point, I prefer to have some choice in how I do so.
N7Gold wrote...
Genocidal to you, but I chose it with the best intentions. I have no intention on letting the Reapers harvest everybody. I won't EVER let fear compromise who I am. It's not about securing your own freedom, it's about making a choice that doesn't appear ethical to you, but leads to the freedom of the people you care about.
N7Gold wrote...
wantedman dan wrote...
N7Gold wrote...
You can't fight a battle with fear compromising your resolve either.
And by fear, I hope you mean falling for the Catalyst's obvious appeals to probability and such, thus choosing one of the fatally flawed original options.
By fear, I mean wavering in front of the hard choices.
N7Gold wrote...
wantedman dan wrote...
N7Gold wrote...
You can't fight a battle with fear compromising your resolve either.
And by fear, I hope you mean falling for the Catalyst's obvious appeals to probability and such, thus choosing one of the fatally flawed original options.
By fear, I mean wavering in front of the hard choices.
HYR 2.0 wrote...
How much you agree with the writing doesn't make it good or bad. And, your argument is ridiculous.
If you kill a murderer who's going to kill you and someone else, are you as bad as he is for comitting murder??
Oddly reminiscent, I know, but its relevance is rather stark.HYR 2.0 wrote... Your argument is ridiculous.
No ones stopping the Catalyst from offering those options to anyone else. He condemns them not me.KotorEffect3 wrote...
Greylycantrope wrote...
KotorEffect3 wrote...
It isn't about being "better" than your enemy. It is about surviving. It is about doing what must be done in order to win a future for the unborn daughters and sons out there. It is about a future for Earth, Palevan, Tuchanka, Thessia, Sur Kesh, Rannoch, etc... It is about making sure all the sacrifices that have been made along the way aren't in vain. You talk of honor but if you are willing to throw everyone else to the reapers in order to satisfy your "honor", you have no honor in the first place. All you have is self righteous vanity.
I find life for the sake of life hollow and meaningless personally, it's not a question of pride. Everyone dies at some point, I prefer to have some choice in how I do so.
Too bad you don't give the rest of the galaxy a chance to choose their own destiny by condemning them to the reapers.
Modifié par Greylycantrope, 04 juillet 2012 - 05:37 .
KotorEffect3 wrote...
Too bad you don't give the rest of the galaxy a chance to choose their own destiny by condemning them to the reapers.
wantedman dan wrote...
N7Gold wrote...
Genocidal to you, but I chose it with the best intentions. I have no intention on letting the Reapers harvest everybody. I won't EVER let fear compromise who I am. It's not about securing your own freedom, it's about making a choice that doesn't appear ethical to you, but leads to the freedom of the people you care about.
The best of intentions are the asphalt paving the road to Hell.
If I commit an atrocity with the best of intentions, I still have committed an atrocity. No "if's, and's, or but's."
wantedman dan wrote...
N7Gold wrote...
Genocidal to you, but I chose it with the best intentions. I have no intention on letting the Reapers harvest everybody. I won't EVER let fear compromise who I am. It's not about securing your own freedom, it's about making a choice that doesn't appear ethical to you, but leads to the freedom of the people you care about.
The best of intentions are the asphalt paving the road to Hell.
If I commit an atrocity with the best of intentions, I still have committed an atrocity. No "if's, and's, or but's."
reject is the hardest choice of them all. You sacrifice your entire cycle so that the reapers will be defeated.N7Gold wrote...
wantedman dan wrote...
N7Gold wrote...
You can't fight a battle with fear compromising your resolve either.
And by fear, I hope you mean falling for the Catalyst's obvious appeals to probability and such, thus choosing one of the fatally flawed original options.
By fear, I mean wavering in front of the hard choices.
KotorEffect3 wrote...
So because deep down you know you can't defend refusal, you go with the "it's bad writing" card because bioware didn't give you a fairy tail without sacrifices. What a cop out.
Modifié par Ticonderoga117, 04 juillet 2012 - 05:40 .
KotorEffect3 wrote...
wantedman dan wrote...
N7Gold wrote...
Genocidal to you, but I chose it with the best intentions. I have no intention on letting the Reapers harvest everybody. I won't EVER let fear compromise who I am. It's not about securing your own freedom, it's about making a choice that doesn't appear ethical to you, but leads to the freedom of the people you care about.
The best of intentions are the asphalt paving the road to Hell.
If I commit an atrocity with the best of intentions, I still have committed an atrocity. No "if's, and's, or but's."
So you admit that you commit an atrocity by failing to use the one tool you can use against the reapers and let the galaxy die the same slow death that the protheans died 50,000 years earlier. Good to know you can finaly admit it.
N7Gold wrote...
The real hell is being preserved inside a Reaper, watching the deaths and destruction of innocent organics and synthetics. If the organics preserved inside the Reapers could see what the Reapers see, I can imagine their wishes, hoping the hellish nightmare would end.
estebanus wrote...
reject is the hardest choice of them all. You sacrifice your entire cycle so that the reapers will be defeated.N7Gold wrote...
wantedman dan wrote...
N7Gold wrote...
You can't fight a battle with fear compromising your resolve either.
And by fear, I hope you mean falling for the Catalyst's obvious appeals to probability and such, thus choosing one of the fatally flawed original options.
By fear, I mean wavering in front of the hard choices.
WarGriffin wrote...
You know all the extended cut did is make the arguements less Destroy vs Control
too Synthesis vs Refusal
Apparently alot of you would pick to forced conversion on everybody in the Galaxy into the very thing thier fighting because It let's you "win"... and all your friends live soo therefore it's a happy ending. You don't technically win... Your just now like the reapers so they have no beef with you.
while Refuse is choosing to lose the fight -technically you choose to just slug it out- instead of taking Reaper god's choices... but you end up giving the next cycle what they need to finally putthe Reapers down for good.
What's the point of winning and living if you have to give up the thing that makes you "You"... The fact you can keep breathing? The Air never tastes the same after you betray yourself I'll tell you that.
wantedman dan wrote...
KotorEffect3 wrote...
It isn't about being "better" than your enemy. It is about surviving. It is about doing what must be done in order to win a future for the unborn daughters and sons out there. It is about a future for Earth, Palevan, Tuchanka, Thessia, Sur Kesh, Rannoch, etc... It is about making sure all the sacrifices that have been made along the way aren't in vain. You talk of honor but if you are willing to throw everyone else to the reapers in order to satisfy your "honor", you have no honor in the first place. All you have is self righteous vanity.
And the ad hominem comes forth yet again. Surprising, really.
The point being, that you missed rather blatantly, if you cannot conduct yourself in a manner that is better than that which you are in conflict with, you have no business conflicting with it.
If the United States were to go around beheading Afghani civilians because they disagreed with our philosophies, would we be justified in warring with Al Qaeda?
Modifié par OblivionDawn, 04 juillet 2012 - 05:42 .
KotorEffect3 wrote...
estebanus wrote...
reject is the hardest choice of them all. You sacrifice your entire cycle so that the reapers will be defeated.N7Gold wrote...
wantedman dan wrote...
N7Gold wrote...
You can't fight a battle with fear compromising your resolve either.
And by fear, I hope you mean falling for the Catalyst's obvious appeals to probability and such, thus choosing one of the fatally flawed original options.
By fear, I mean wavering in front of the hard choices.
Metagaming. Your Shepard has no idea if the next cycle will be able to stop the reapers or not.
Ryzaki wrote...
You don't get to cherry pick who's a coward. All Sheps can be seen as cowards. Yes even those who didn't pick Refuse.
N7Gold wrote...
The real hell is being preserved inside a Reaper, watching the deaths and destruction of innocent organics and synthetics. If the organics preserved inside the Reapers could see what the Reapers see, I can imagine their wishes, hoping the hellish nightmare would end.
estebanus wrote...
reject is the hardest choice of them all. You sacrifice your entire cycle so that the reapers will be defeated.N7Gold wrote...
wantedman dan wrote...
N7Gold wrote...
You can't fight a battle with fear compromising your resolve either.
And by fear, I hope you mean falling for the Catalyst's obvious appeals to probability and such, thus choosing one of the fatally flawed original options.
By fear, I mean wavering in front of the hard choices.
wantedman dan wrote...
HYR 2.0 wrote...
How much you agree with the writing doesn't make it good or bad. And, your argument is ridiculous.
If you kill a murderer who's going to kill you and someone else, are you as bad as he is for comitting murder??Oddly reminiscent, I know, but its relevance is rather stark.HYR 2.0 wrote... Your argument is ridiculous.
You missed the point and the ensuing strawman argument is icing on the cake.
Ticonderoga117 wrote...
N7Gold wrote...
The real hell is being preserved inside a Reaper, watching the deaths and destruction of innocent organics and synthetics. If the organics preserved inside the Reapers could see what the Reapers see, I can imagine their wishes, hoping the hellish nightmare would end.
There's nothing there of the original... uhm... building supplies. It's just one big gesalt like conciousness driving them. Anything that that civilization was is LONG dead and gone. Just thier memory remains in the momument of a creation of evil.
Modifié par N7Gold, 04 juillet 2012 - 05:45 .
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