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[AngryFrozenWater]

Fans of synthesis keep on insisting that synthesis is not a Disney-like utopian pipe dream and that free will is not compromised by indoctrination or another form of mind control.

If that is true then wouldn't the following be possible?

Infected Wrex: Hey Harby, I've discovered that the Canis Major Dwarf Galaxy is only 25,000 light-years away from Sol.
Infected Harby: Can't you see I am busy building a penthouse for Liara?
Infected Wrex: But I am bored and it is full of organics.
Infected Harby: Organics you say? Sounds interesting. But it's too far.
Infected Wrex: You travel at 30 light-years a day. That's only 833 days. Must be doable. And I hate babysitting.
Infected Harby: So be it!

Or does the utopia of synthesis prevents aggression? The reapers' extremely violent behavior didn't prevent it in the past. If the hypothetical synthetics threat is true wouldn't that cause one intergalactic war after another in the future? Soon the reapers fill the universe. All because it is "inevitable"?

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 04 juillet 2012 - 09:05 .

[Vigilant111]

Angrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry!!!!!

and yes

To be honest I don't think utopia can be achieved, given the nature of organics, but we can strive to achieve it, and that is what life should be

[The Angry One]

I've wondered about this, and I think that it's pretty much inevitable that the synthesis hybrids will be hostile to extra-galactic organic life.
They believe organics and synthetics alone are chaos, and this belief is vindicated by synthesis.

I can easily see them becoming a green scourge on the rest of the universe, led by the Reapers. Forcibly hybridising all organic life, and killing them off if they can't.

[shodiswe]

It's just as possible othere people with several galaxies will attack the milkyway... maybe that's whats happening to Halestrom... maybe its the prerunner for an invasion.

[o Ventus]

It shouldn't prevent hostility or aggression in the slightest. If it does, then that's an undeniable genetic rewrite that all the pro-synths are so vehemently denying happened.

What about all of the biologically violent species, like the krogan or yahg? What about thresher maws? Are they all pacifists now?

[riesenwiesel]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Infected Wrex: Hey Harby, I've discovered that the Canis Major Dwarf Galaxy is only 25,000 light-years away from Sol.
Infected Harby: Can't you see I am busy building a penthouse for Liara?
Infected Wrex: But I am bored and it is full of organics.
Infected Harby: Organics you say? Sounds interesting. But it's too far.
Infected Wrex: You travel at 30 light-years a day. That's only 833 days. Must be doable. And I hate babysitting.
Infected Harby: So be it!

I fixed this:

Infected Wrex: Harby
Infected Harby: Wrex
Infected Wrex: Harby
Infected Harby: Wrex
Infected Wrex: Harby
Infected Harby: Wrex 

Modifié par riesenwiesel, 04 juillet 2012 - 08:56 .

[Vigilant111]

Synthesis seems to make organics more confident about bringing war cos they got better gear now

[Peranor]

The Angry One wrote...

I've wondered about this, and I think that it's pretty much inevitable that the synthesis hybrids will be hostile to extra-galactic organic life.
They believe organics and synthetics alone are chaos, and this belief is vindicated by synthesis.

I can easily see them becoming a green scourge on the rest of the universe, led by the Reapers. Forcibly hybridising all organic life, and killing them off if they can't.

It's a likely scenario

The Reapers only chose to play nice because everyone in the galaxy was synthesised, so they had no reason to keep murdering.
But what is there to say that their original reasoning is gone? 
If they ever were to meet with a organic species from another galaxy unaffected by the green beam the reapers would most likely reboot and start up in to murder-mode again.
Only this time they would be assisted by the former organics and synthetics from the Milky Way. 
It would be a glorious battle!

[The Angry One]

One of the problems with a "perfect" society is that they see no reason why everyone else shouldn't join in and be as perfect as they are.

This is the whole point of the Borg in Star Trek. To the Borg, their existence is a perfect utopia, therefore everyone else in the galaxy is missing out, and must join whether they like it or not to improve their lives.

Synthesis carries these undertones. How long before this perfect society sees that everyone in the universe needs to share the perfection of living as they do, in harmony with the Reapers?

Modifié par The Angry One, 04 juillet 2012 - 09:03 .

[Leonia]

For a good example of the effect a utopia can have on the existence of morality, you should give OSC's "Worthing Saga" a read. Even if Synthesis doesn't produce an actual utopian society, it doesn't solve every known issue in the galaxy. It sounds great in theory but that's about it.

[TrollDemon]

The Angry One wrote...

One of the problems with a "perfect" society is that they see no reason why everyone else shouldn't join in and be as perfect as they are.

My thoughts exactly.

And nothing says intergalactic stranger danger than an armada of green Reapers knocking on poor Andromeda's door.

[Jadebaby]

The Angry One wrote...

I've wondered about this, and I think that it's pretty much inevitable that the synthesis hybrids will be hostile to extra-galactic organic life.
They believe organics and synthetics alone are chaos, and this belief is vindicated by synthesis.

I can easily see them becoming a green scourge on the rest of the universe, led by the Reapers. Forcibly hybridising all organic life, and killing them off if they can't.

I made a thread about this before, synthesis = Caesar's Legion from Fallout New Vegas.

[The Angry One]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

I made a thread about this before, synthesis = Caesar's Legion from Fallout New Vegas.

lol, that makes me think. Imagine if Obsidian had dared to imply the Legion was the best ending and sabotaged the other endings to make the Legion ending look better.

Modifié par The Angry One, 04 juillet 2012 - 09:15 .

[inko1nsiderate]

Can this be the plot of ME4? The green Reapers led by a synthesis Wrex invade other galaxies?

Modifié par inko1nsiderate, 04 juillet 2012 - 09:19 .

[AngryFrozenWater]

Somehow synthesis fans thought it would prevent a technical singularity. But didn't they replace one evil by another? Because of the "inevitable" nature of the whole thing, it looks like a hybrid synthetic-organic singularity to be unleashed on the universe. All because of elitist Shepard, who thought synthesis would produce a superior race, although everyone else just wanted the reapers' destruction or defeat. Synthesis sure didn't defeat the reapers.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 04 juillet 2012 - 10:12 .

[Jadebaby]

The Angry One wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

I made a thread about this before, synthesis = Caesar's Legion from Fallout New Vegas.

lol, that makes me think. Imagine if Obsidian had dared to imply the Legion was the best ending and sabotaged the other endings to make the Legion ending look better.

exactly. It also answers the OP's question about how they'd treat civilizations in other galaxies.

[Rhayak]

Yeah right, it will take ERAS to fully explore and colonize one galaxy. To think war will be the only solution the hybrids can come up with after that is merely a choice to be pessimist.

[Vigilant111]

Fandango9641 wrote...

Yep, it's interesting (and terrifying) to note how a five minute cut scene presenting the consequences of synthesis has blinded some people to the moral shortcomings of that particular choice. 5 minutes! Quite the mental block.

And I am just waiting for someone to throw "this is a sci-fi GAME" in your face

Personally I find it hard to accept that synthesis is the thing that we all have to look forward to in the future

[The Angry One]

Rhayak wrote...

Yeah right, it will take ERAS to fully explore and colonize one galaxy. To think war will be the only solution the hybrids can come up with after that is merely a choice to be pessimist.

We're dealing with in game facts here. Synthesis promotes the idea that the existence of organics and synthetics as seperate entities is intolerable, and the only reason the Reapers stop harvesting us is because we're now hybrids.

You know the phrase "the devil finds work for idle hands"? How long before the Reapers come to realise that organic life exists elsewhere, and with that so does chaos? Will their work ever be done?

[Yutland]

The Angry One wrote...

I can easily see them becoming a
green scourge on the rest of the universe [...] Forcibly hybridising all
organic life, and killing them off if they can't.

[Baronesa]

What about pre garden worlds?

What about those worlds that eventually will see new life? If we talk only about abiogenesis and there is no panspermia involved, then we are going to see new purely organic races coming to existence...

What would happen then?

[o Ventus]

Baronesa wrote...

What about pre garden worlds?

What about those worlds that eventually will see new life? If we talk only about abiogenesis and there is no panspermia involved, then we are going to see new purely organic races coming to existence...

What would happen then?

The Borg happens.

[The Angry One]

Baronesa wrote...

What about pre garden worlds?

What about those worlds that eventually will see new life? If we talk only about abiogenesis and there is no panspermia involved, then we are going to see new purely organic races coming to existence...

What would happen then?

Removal of chaos.
Though I suppose since it'd be in the early stages it's not technically genocide. Hooray!