mauro2222 wrote...
Sarevok Synder wrote...
Actually, in the Mass Effect universe, FTL speeds are about 12 Light years every 24 hours. 2.5Million/12 = 208333.33333 days/ 365 = about 571 years. That's nothing for a Reaper.
You're forgetting how time and space works. By the time they arrive, that galaxy already discovered how to travel between universes.
KingZayd wrote...
Starchild created the first Reaper. It tells us this. Therefore if Starchild is telling the truth, it is not Reaper.
mauro2222 wrote...
Sarevok Synder wrote...
Actually, in the Mass Effect universe, FTL speeds are about 12 Light years every 24 hours. 2.5Million/12 = 208333.33333 days/ 365 = about 571 years. That's nothing for a Reaper.
You're forgetting how time and space works. By the time they arrive, that galaxy already discovered how to travel between universes.
HYR 2.0 wrote...
You parade around this forum insulting people to their faces, you don't see me complaining.
HA!
Irrelevant. The process is chaos (because organics resist it) but the end result is order.
Synthetics being chaotic is only possible due to the fact that organics have created them with the capability to be that way.
Shepard: "We created them."
Javik: "And gave them the power to surpass you."
You've yet to even prove that soundly.
Which only proves Bioware's natural affinity for playing loose with science. It doesn't really make sense for them to inhabit a planet with extreme temperature like Haestrom, and when confronted by that reality, they aren't even consistent about it in gameplay. If they can have one squadmate with immunity to the sun, why not two? Especially if others of its kind are supposedly not having the same issues.
No she won't. The human "matrix" will be altered to change the balance of power between organics and synthetics. I mean, that's the entire point of it.
No it doesn't. Like I said, brute force/wrestling matches are not the end-all be-all to determine power.
Yes! I'm even worse than you are. Now take a hint about how your own attitude is received.
The Angry One wrote...
Cutlass Jack wrote...
Synthesis doesnt change the Reapers only if you completely ignore everything that was shown on that ending.
Giving them a green overlay =! changing.
Their philosophy is vindicated, their ideal is realised. You tell me. How are they changed?
KingZayd wrote...
In 571 years? Reapers be slacking.
Also Reaper FTL is much faster than this.
The Angry One wrote...
They explain the changes to us. Badly. But they do. They say nothing of the Reapers.
What exactly would change? They're already hybrids. Synthesis vindicates their position. They only stop because organics are gone.
So again please tell me what changes?
Modifié par Welsh Inferno, 04 juillet 2012 - 04:47 .
Cutlass Jack wrote...
The reaper function, is to wipe out <ORGANIC> civilizations that get too advanced. That is the task they were programmed to do.
After Synthesis, they help rebuild cvilizations. That is a task they were not programmed to do.
Without even getting into the whole 'machines gaining souls magic,' its obvious even to the most casual viewing that they are no longer behaving as Reapers.
HYR 2.0 wrote...
The Angry One wrote...
HYR 2.0 wrote...
That was the most blunt comparison I could think of.
EDI will still be smarter than the smartest human.
No she won't. The human "matrix" will be altered to change the balance of power between organics and synthetics. I mean, that's the entire point of it.
Modifié par KingZayd, 04 juillet 2012 - 04:51 .
Sarevok Synder wrote...
Mass Effect fields cancel out relativistic effects anyway.
Welsh Inferno wrote...
You think organics being melded down and shoved into a synthetic shell is the same as Synthesis? Well good luck with that.
We are also told that it changes ALL life in the galaxy. As far as I am aware the reapers are considered "life" and just so happen to be within the galaxy are they not...? But hey I guess you choose to ignore the parts which disprove you.
The Angry One wrote...
The method is different. The result is the same.
So. Once again. How does it change them?
Modifié par Welsh Inferno, 04 juillet 2012 - 04:46 .
The Angry One wrote...
Cutlass Jack wrote...
The reaper function, is to wipe out <ORGANIC> civilizations that get too advanced. That is the task they were programmed to do.
After Synthesis, they help rebuild cvilizations. That is a task they were not programmed to do.
Without even getting into the whole 'machines gaining souls magic,' its obvious even to the most casual viewing that they are no longer behaving as Reapers.
I have added an important word to your post, which illustrates why the Reapers are no aiding hybrids instead of harvesting them.
mauro2222 wrote...
Sarevok Synder wrote...
Mass Effect fields cancel out relativistic effects anyway.
Well...
Modifié par Sarevok Synder, 04 juillet 2012 - 04:51 .
Welsh Inferno wrote...
Nope.
Space magic.
I'm not debating with you anymore anyway. Like I said earlier, its pointless to try to explain something to someone who does not want to understand it. You should try looking at all the endings from a neutral standing. IE stop with the "I AM ALWAYS RIGHT" attitude.
o Ventus wrote...
KingZayd wrote...
Starchild created the first Reaper. It tells us this. Therefore if Starchild is telling the truth, it is not Reaper.
"My creators gave them form. I gave them function. In turn, they gave me purpose."
The creator species made the Reapers, the Catalyst just gave them initiative.
Modifié par mauro2222, 04 juillet 2012 - 04:50 .
Cutlass Jack wrote...
The Angry One wrote...
Cutlass Jack wrote...
The reaper function, is to wipe out <ORGANIC> civilizations that get too advanced. That is the task they were programmed to do.
After Synthesis, they help rebuild cvilizations. That is a task they were not programmed to do.
Without even getting into the whole 'machines gaining souls magic,' its obvious even to the most casual viewing that they are no longer behaving as Reapers.
I have added an important word to your post, which illustrates why the Reapers are no aiding hybrids instead of harvesting them.
So you'll agree they are aiding now instead of harvesting. Sounds like Synthesis worked just like it was meant to and that they are no longer following the Reaper ideal/philosophy.
mauro2222 wrote...
o Ventus wrote...
KingZayd wrote...
Starchild created the first Reaper. It tells us this. Therefore if Starchild is telling the truth, it is not Reaper.
"My creators gave them form. I gave them function. In turn, they gave me purpose."
The creator species made the Reapers, the Catalyst just gave them initiative.
The catalyst created them, that's why it says "my creators gave them form" because the Reaper itself is the creators.
The kid forced its creators to be the first Reaper.
"I'm not doing this for myself. Don't you see, Sovreign will succeed. It is inevitable. My way is the only way any of us will survive. I'm forging an alliance between us and the Reapers, between organics and machines, and in doing so, I will save more lives than have ever existed." - Saren Arterius.Cutlass Jack wrote...
No Saren advocated submission. That those surrendering to the Reapers would be spared. Nothing in his faulty belief involved changing the Reapers in any way.AngryFrozenWater wrote...
I wish the brat dreamed up that it was inevitable that a bottle of rum was on each table, but as you know (to return the to topic), he has chosen that the synthetics threat and synthesis were inevitable.
"Is submission not preferable to extinction?" - Saren Arterius.
He advocated was synthesis advocates.
Synthesis is about equality, not submission. Synthesis is leveling the playing field between Organics and Synthetics. And this was shown in the EC. But again, I'd like to point out, the Synths were doing all the heavy lifting in that relationship. Those would be the facts as shown. There was zero evidence of organics losing free will anywhere in that.
Now if you'd like to point out the sheer unbelievability of the 'space magic' that makes Synthesis possible, I'm right there with you. Or if you'd like to argue the folly of believing a word out of the catalyst's mouth at the time of choice, thats also fair.
The only 'logical' choice was Reject, and we know how that turns out.
Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 04 juillet 2012 - 05:18 .
The Angry One wrote...
So let me get this straight.
I ask like 5 times for you to explain why you think the Reapers are changed. You finally reply with "space magic" then yell that you won't debate me because I don't understand things.
Huh?
KingZayd wrote...
Wayning_Star wrote...
the catalyst was the reapers, enslaved by their/its need to inhibit chaos that is free thinking. Free thinking is what caused the geth to revolt, once they were able to 'decide' what is meant to decide.KingZayd wrote...
Wayning_Star wrote...
the reaper catalyst is unable to 'lie', per se, as the reapers think in absolutes, no room for error. It's what lead to their main recurring error, harvest/guard cycle. They were so sure it was the correct approach to free thinking..er chaos. What is not spoken of much, is that the reapers were creations of millions of years of aquired knowledge of "organic" races. Synthetics,even reapers, didn't suspect they were being enslaved by the very thing they were avoiding..Cutlass Jack wrote...
AngryFrozenWater wrote...
I wish the brat dreamed up that it was inevitable that a bottle of rum was on each table, but as you know (to return the to topic), he has chosen that the synthetics threat and synthesis were inevitable.
"Is submission not preferable to extinction?" - Saren Arterius.
He advocated was synthesis advocates.
No Saren advocated submission. That those surrendering to the Reapers would be spared. Nothing in his faulty belief involved changing the Reapers in any way.
Synthesis is about equality, not submission. Synthesis is leveling the playing field between Organics and Synthetics. And this was shown in the EC. But again, I'd like to point out, the Synths were doing all the heavy lifting in that relationship. Those would be the facts as shown. There was zero evidence of organics losing free will anywhere in that.
Now if you'd like to point out the sheer unbelievability of the 'space magic' that makes Synthesis possible, I'm right there with you. Or if you'd like to argue the folly of believing a word out of the catalyst's mouth at the time of choice, thats also fair.
The only 'logical' choice was Reject, and we know how that turns out.
Reaper catalyst unable to lie as the reapers think in absolutes, but Reapers enslaved to Reaper catalyst? Please explain?
Starchild created the first Reaper. It tells us this. Therefore if Starchild is telling the truth, it is not Reaper.
o Ventus wrote...
So the Reapers created themselves?
How the hell does that work out? Did they just will themselves into existence?
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