KingZayd wrote...
The trees were already alive. Nothing indicates the atomic composition of the bits of universe that aren't alive change at all.
How would any device change the laws of physics?
KingZayd wrote...
Wayning_Star wrote...
KingZayd wrote...
Wayning_Star wrote...
actually guys/gals, the term "space magic" is used in a sortof cop out stance, that all things being equal, nothing magical is possible unless it's magic. And yes, once the destroy wave is unleashed, it, from the logic of the reaperboy, destroys all synthetic life, but the reaper also stated that sentient machine inteligent life would again appear, and destroy all sentient organic life. We have no way of know how the reaper would know this to happen, unless they've experenced the same problem themselves? I was merely referring to the synthesis wave and how it transmuted matter to a subcellular/molecular level everywhere in the known MEU.
Starchild said life would be changed, not every atom in the universe/the laws of physics.
A series of chemical reactions could still take place leading to new Organic life.
the only thing that cares about(or imagine) the laws of physics is sentient life... the reaperkid also states that all "organics" will be affected. As the cutscenes depict,even the trees and stuff are transmutated. So the genisis must be total to affect all living sentient life forms. We are but a few random chemicals that happen to be constructed in a way that suits the environment we adapt to. How else can we imagine being anything else, unless needed to evolve? The reaper figured it's time we evolved, or maybe it was the threatening sentient machinery organics create in their own image that require us to..change?
The trees were already alive. Nothing indicates the atomic composition of the bits of universe that aren't alive change at all.
How would any device change the laws of physics?
Sarevok Synder wrote...
KingZayd wrote...
The trees were already alive. Nothing indicates the atomic composition of the bits of universe that aren't alive change at all.
How would any device change the laws of physics?
Not to mention, what's to stop Synthetics or Organics from entering the Milkyway from Galaxies outside and triggering a new attempt at a cycle? Starbrat didn't take many variables into its so called solution. The thing is completely inept, why anybody takes it word for anything is beyond me.
Wayning_Star wrote...
KingZayd wrote...
Wayning_Star wrote...
KingZayd wrote...
Wayning_Star wrote...
actually guys/gals, the term "space magic" is used in a sortof cop out stance, that all things being equal, nothing magical is possible unless it's magic. And yes, once the destroy wave is unleashed, it, from the logic of the reaperboy, destroys all synthetic life, but the reaper also stated that sentient machine inteligent life would again appear, and destroy all sentient organic life. We have no way of know how the reaper would know this to happen, unless they've experenced the same problem themselves? I was merely referring to the synthesis wave and how it transmuted matter to a subcellular/molecular level everywhere in the known MEU.
Starchild said life would be changed, not every atom in the universe/the laws of physics.
A series of chemical reactions could still take place leading to new Organic life.
the only thing that cares about(or imagine) the laws of physics is sentient life... the reaperkid also states that all "organics" will be affected. As the cutscenes depict,even the trees and stuff are transmutated. So the genisis must be total to affect all living sentient life forms. We are but a few random chemicals that happen to be constructed in a way that suits the environment we adapt to. How else can we imagine being anything else, unless needed to evolve? The reaper figured it's time we evolved, or maybe it was the threatening sentient machinery organics create in their own image that require us to..change?
The trees were already alive. Nothing indicates the atomic composition of the bits of universe that aren't alive change at all.
How would any device change the laws of physics?
If we're to accept the idea of any contraption being able to subvert the atoms of our DNA, its a no brainer to expect it to be able to transmutate matter,especially considering that we are just matter in space. Also, a black hole is a device, it has no problem ruining the laws of physics..as we know them. No magic wand there either, just a bunch of random atoms making fun of sentient lifeforms..lol
Wayning_Star wrote...
If we're to accept the idea of any contraption being able to subvert the atoms of our DNA, its a no brainer to expect it to be able to transmutate matter,especially considering that we are just matter in space. Also, a black hole is a device, it has no problem ruining the laws of physics..as we know them. No magic wand there either, just a bunch of random atoms making fun of sentient lifeforms..lol
Wayning_Star wrote...
You guys are including varibles outside of the given thesis. As if the starbrat exists in all realities. If he does, we're in more trouble than first thought..
Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 04 juillet 2012 - 08:53 .
devon c greenwell wrote...
The citidel and catalyst are from our galaxy so that why the decisions in our applied to ours and why they only talk bout ours. And aren't yhe reapers already synthetics?
But if the threat is real then the threat is out there in the universe somewhere. The reapers have to strike first. It is inevitabledevon c greenwell wrote...
The citidel and catalyst are from our galaxy so that why the decisions in our applied to ours and why they only talk bout ours. And aren't yhe reapers already synthetics?
And yes, they are. Or to be more exact hybrids controlled by AIs.
Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 04 juillet 2012 - 09:17 .
Fandango9641 wrote...
Yep, it's interesting (and terrifying) to note how a five minute cut scene presenting the consequences of synthesis has blinded some people to the moral shortcomings of that particular choice. 5 minutes! Quite the mental block.
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Dakkaface wrote...
Fandango9641 wrote...
Yep, it's interesting (and terrifying) to note how a five minute cut scene presenting the consequences of synthesis has blinded some people to the moral shortcomings of that particular choice. 5 minutes! Quite the mental block.
All I see here is "HURRDUURR I'm morally superior because I didn't pick green explosions, you degenerate."
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Dakkaface wrote...
Fandango9641 wrote...
Yep, it's interesting (and terrifying) to note how a five minute cut scene presenting the consequences of synthesis has blinded some people to the moral shortcomings of that particular choice. 5 minutes! Quite the mental block.
All I see here is "HURRDUURR I'm morally superior because I didn't pick green explosions, you degenerate."
Dakkaface wrote...
Fandango9641 wrote...
Yep, it's interesting (and terrifying) to note how a five minute cut scene presenting the consequences of synthesis has blinded some people to the moral shortcomings of that particular choice. 5 minutes! Quite the mental block.
All I see here is "HURRDUURR I'm morally superior because I didn't pick green explosions, you degenerate."
AngryFrozenWater wrote...
I think it is clear from the animations and images in the epilogue that the glowing green eyes and patterns are seen on reapers, husks, synthetics and organics. There is no indication that there are exceptions. And we know that the essence of who Shepard is and what Shepard is has been added to the mix. That has implications for free will.
That brings us back on topic. If it exists then so will the reapers' purpose and aggression exist. And because of that, the inevitable synthetics threat will force the reapers to search for other galaxies in which they can violate the right of self-determination once more. If that threat is inevitable then this will be true in other galaxies as well. There is no reason to assume the threat is a local problem. And thus it will not take long before synthetics from other galaxies arrive here to attack us! So the reapers must strike first to once more save us all by performing their legendary genocides and other atrocities in the rest of the universe. After all, it is inevitable!
That inevitability has led the synthesis fans to their choice. And they think it was right. So according to them the above scenario must be true. If synthesis somehow prevents this then 1) the threat was never inevitable or 2) mind control does exist.
Heeden wrote...
AngryFrozenWater wrote...
I think it is clear from the animations and images in the epilogue that the glowing green eyes and patterns are seen on reapers, husks, synthetics and organics. There is no indication that there are exceptions. And we know that the essence of who Shepard is and what Shepard is has been added to the mix. That has implications for free will.
That brings us back on topic. If it exists then so will the reapers' purpose and aggression exist. And because of that, the inevitable synthetics threat will force the reapers to search for other galaxies in which they can violate the right of self-determination once more. If that threat is inevitable then this will be true in other galaxies as well. There is no reason to assume the threat is a local problem. And thus it will not take long before synthetics from other galaxies arrive here to attack us! So the reapers must strike first to once more save us all by performing their legendary genocides and other atrocities in the rest of the universe. After all, it is inevitable!
That inevitability has led the synthesis fans to their choice. And they think it was right. So according to them the above scenario must be true. If synthesis somehow prevents this then 1) the threat was never inevitable or 2) mind control does exist.
That logic is made almost entirely out of ass-pulls; what exactly are the implications for free-will and where do you get the impression the Reapers will create a new cycle to replace the old one? Why would they even want to? The very idea of Synthesis is to allow synthetics to fully appreciate the value of organic life, so no cycle is necessary.
Modifié par Sarevok Synder, 04 juillet 2012 - 09:50 .
AngryFrozenWater wrote...
I think it is clear from the animations and images in the epilogue that the glowing green eyes and patterns are seen on reapers, husks, synthetics and organics. There is no indication that there are exceptions. And we know that the essence of who Shepard is and what Shepard is has been added to the mix. That has implications for free will.
That brings us back on topic. If it exists then so will the reapers' purpose and aggression exist. And because of that, the inevitable synthetics threat will force the reapers to search for other galaxies in which they can violate the right of self-determination once more. If that threat is inevitable then this will be true in other galaxies as well. There is no reason to assume the threat is a local problem. And thus it will not take long before synthetics from other galaxies arrive here to attack us! So the reapers must strike first to once more save us all by performing their legendary genocides and other atrocities in the rest of the universe. After all, it is inevitable!
That inevitability has led the synthesis fans to their choice. And they think it was right. So according to them the above scenario must be true. If synthesis somehow prevents this then 1) the threat was never inevitable or 2) mind control does exist.
Sarevok Synder wrote...
Heeden wrote...
AngryFrozenWater wrote...
I think it is clear from the animations and images in the epilogue that the glowing green eyes and patterns are seen on reapers, husks, synthetics and organics. There is no indication that there are exceptions. And we know that the essence of who Shepard is and what Shepard is has been added to the mix. That has implications for free will.
That brings us back on topic. If it exists then so will the reapers' purpose and aggression exist. And because of that, the inevitable synthetics threat will force the reapers to search for other galaxies in which they can violate the right of self-determination once more. If that threat is inevitable then this will be true in other galaxies as well. There is no reason to assume the threat is a local problem. And thus it will not take long before synthetics from other galaxies arrive here to attack us! So the reapers must strike first to once more save us all by performing their legendary genocides and other atrocities in the rest of the universe. After all, it is inevitable!
That inevitability has led the synthesis fans to their choice. And they think it was right. So according to them the above scenario must be true. If synthesis somehow prevents this then 1) the threat was never inevitable or 2) mind control does exist.
That logic is made almost entirely out of ass-pulls; what exactly are the implications for free-will and where do you get the impression the Reapers will create a new cycle to replace the old one? Why would they even want to? The very idea of Synthesis is to allow synthetics to fully appreciate the value of organic life, so no cycle is necessary.
You didn't even read the post before going on the attack. The anwser to your (agressive) question is right there; Synthetics from other galaxies who don't answer to Starbrat, and according to its "logic," hate everything which isn't them.
Heeden wrote...
I did, twice. The idea that Synthesis = mind control has no relation to what we're told in the game. The idea that post-Synthesis Reapers will still follow the Catalyst's programming has no basis in the game. Going beyond that, the idea that they will broaden the scope of the programming they shouldn't be following any more to include other galaxies has no basis on the thing that isn't based on the game anyway.
Modifié par Sarevok Synder, 04 juillet 2012 - 10:02 .
Nah, see, that's only if the Reapers are still controlled by the Catalyst's programming rather than given free will through Synthesis.AngryFrozenWater wrote...
But if the threat is real then the threat is out there in the universe somewhere. The reapers have to strike first. It is inevitable
Cutlass Jack wrote...
One plus three does not equal two. Sometimes glowing green eyes just means their eyes changed.
There is nothing inevitable about the scenario you provide because it relies upon too many assumptions. The most obvious one being that life in other galaxies exists and will take the same path as life in this one.
Modifié par Sarevok Synder, 04 juillet 2012 - 10:08 .
Sarevok Synder wrote...
No you didn't read it. The Reapers "solution" only affects the Milkyway, nowhere else. By not taking other Galaxies into account, Starbrat has shown it's an idiot, who's judgement is highly questionable. Synthetics can rise up anywhere in the universe and come here later, to "prevent" that from happening, the Reapers would have to start a new cycle elsewhere. It would be never ending given the size of the universe.
You can deny mind control as part of synthesis, but it is in the game.Heeden wrote...
I did, twice. The idea that Synthesis = mind control has no relation to what we're told in the game. The idea that post-Synthesis Reapers will still follow the Catalyst's programming has no basis in the game. Going beyond that, the idea that they will broaden the scope of the programming they shouldn't be following any more to include other galaxies has no basis on the thing that isn't based on the game anyway.Sarevok Synder wrote...
You didn't even read the post before going on the attack. The anwser to your (agressive) question is right there; Synthetics from other galaxies who don't answer to Starbrat, and according to its "logic," hate everything which isn't them.Heeden wrote...
That logic is made almost entirely out of ass-pulls; what exactly are the implications for free-will and where do you get the impression the Reapers will create a new cycle to replace the old one? Why would they even want to? The very idea of Synthesis is to allow synthetics to fully appreciate the value of organic life, so no cycle is necessary.AngryFrozenWater wrote...
I think it is clear from the animations and images in the epilogue that the glowing green eyes and patterns are seen on reapers, husks, synthetics and organics. There is no indication that there are exceptions. And we know that the essence of who Shepard is and what Shepard is has been added to the mix. That has implications for free will.
That brings us back on topic. If it exists then so will the reapers' purpose and aggression exist. And because of that, the inevitable synthetics threat will force the reapers to search for other galaxies in which they can violate the right of self-determination once more. If that threat is inevitable then this will be true in other galaxies as well. There is no reason to assume the threat is a local problem. And thus it will not take long before synthetics from other galaxies arrive here to attack us! So the reapers must strike first to once more save us all by performing their legendary genocides and other atrocities in the rest of the universe. After all, it is inevitable!
That inevitability has led the synthesis fans to their choice. And they think it was right. So according to them the above scenario must be true. If synthesis somehow prevents this then 1) the threat was never inevitable or 2) mind control does exist.
Dakkaface wrote...
Fandango9641 wrote...
Yep, it's interesting (and terrifying) to note how a five minute cut scene presenting the consequences of synthesis has blinded some people to the moral shortcomings of that particular choice. 5 minutes! Quite the mental block.
All I see here is "HURRDUURR I'm morally superior because I didn't pick green explosions, you degenerate."
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