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[lx_theo]

The Angry One wrote...

Rhayak wrote...

Yeah right, it will take ERAS to fully explore and colonize one galaxy. To think war will be the only solution the hybrids can come up with after that is merely a choice to be pessimist.

We're dealing with in game facts here. Synthesis promotes the idea that the existence of organics and synthetics as seperate entities is intolerable, and the only reason the Reapers stop harvesting us is because we're now hybrids.

You know the phrase "the devil finds work for idle hands"? How long before the Reapers come to realise that organic life exists elsewhere, and with that so does chaos? Will their work ever be done?

Nowhere does it say that it makes them intolerant to organic or synthetic life. It only says that it opens up untold floodgates in potential advantages.There are a huge range of possibilities it can create.

Worst its borg like, like you said.

Best they become a police force to stop the threat of any species that choose not to become the hybrid in the synthetic organic conflicts.

In the middle, they could just not care.

You can't assume one way will come. You're "in game facts" are huge assumptions in themselves.

[lx_theo]

Fandango9641 wrote...

lx_theo wrote...
Best they become a police force to stop the threat of any species that choose not to become the hybrid in the synthetic organic conflicts.

Yeah, thats totalitarianism.

No, it isn't. Or is the UN a totalianarism state?

[Vigilant111]

lx_theo wrote...

Nowhere does it say that it makes them intolerant to organic or synthetic life. It only says that it opens up untold floodgates in potential advantages.There are a huge range of possibilities it can create.

Worst its borg like, like you said.

Best they become a police force to stop the threat of any species that choose not to become the hybrid in the synthetic organic conflicts.

In the middle, they could just not care.

You can't assume one way will come. You're "in game facts" are huge assumptions in themselves.

That's your best scenario? the best scenario should have been they don't care

What makes you think that they would volunteer to be the police? Why can't people come up with their own police?

[legion999]

The Angry One wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

I made a thread about this before, synthesis = Caesar's Legion from Fallout New Vegas.

lol, that makes me think. Imagine if Obsidian had dared to imply the Legion was the best ending and sabotaged the other endings to make the Legion ending look better.

Me and Boone would still shoot Caesar and his goons in the mouth.

[AngryFrozenWater]

lx_theo wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Rhayak wrote...

Yeah right, it will take ERAS to fully explore and colonize one galaxy. To think war will be the only solution the hybrids can come up with after that is merely a choice to be pessimist.

We're dealing with in game facts here. Synthesis promotes the idea that the existence of organics and synthetics as seperate entities is intolerable, and the only reason the Reapers stop harvesting us is because we're now hybrids.

You know the phrase "the devil finds work for idle hands"? How long before the Reapers come to realise that organic life exists elsewhere, and with that so does chaos? Will their work ever be done?

Nowhere does it say that it makes them intolerant to organic or synthetic life. It only says that it opens up untold floodgates in potential advantages.There are a huge range of possibilities it can create.

Worst its borg like, like you said.

Best they become a police force to stop the threat of any species that choose not to become the hybrid in the synthetic organic conflicts.

In the middle, they could just not care.

You can't assume one way will come. You're "in game facts" are huge assumptions in themselves.

The hypothetical threat is such an assumption as well. That assumption caused the atrocities the reapers committed. And yet people feel that surrendering to them, in a way Saren advocated, is a good idea.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 04 juillet 2012 - 10:27 .

[lx_theo]

Fandango9641 wrote...

lx_theo wrote...

Fandango9641 wrote...

lx_theo wrote...
Best they become a police force to stop the threat of any species that choose not to become the hybrid in the synthetic organic conflicts.

Yeah, thats totalitarianism.

No, it isn't. Or is the UN a totalianarism state?

You advocate a system controls the very nature of life.

No, I'm just suggesting a force that eliminates the need for a cycle. If a situation gets to the point that either side might be wiped out (the problem the cycle was supposed to fix), they could step in and stop that. I'm speeching more a minimalist police force that only enters when absolutely needed, not something that changes how they live their life anything more than that one thing.

[lx_theo]

Vigilant111 wrote...

lx_theo wrote...

Nowhere does it say that it makes them intolerant to organic or synthetic life. It only says that it opens up untold floodgates in potential advantages.There are a huge range of possibilities it can create.

Worst its borg like, like you said.

Best they become a police force to stop the threat of any species that choose not to become the hybrid in the synthetic organic conflicts.

In the middle, they could just not care.

You can't assume one way will come. You're "in game facts" are huge assumptions in themselves.

That's your best scenario? the best scenario should have been they don't care

What makes you think that they would volunteer to be the police? Why can't people come up with their own police?

Honestly, I was flipflopping which was best and which was middle when I was posting it. In the end, I decided I thought a minimalist police (like I described above in a different post) that would be powerful enough to ensure stopping such conflicts when they threatened wiping anyone out would be more effective than their own police force.

In the end, I can see it going either ways in which is better.

[The Angry One]

lx_theo wrote...

Nowhere does it say that it makes them intolerant to organic or synthetic life. It only says that it opens up untold floodgates in potential advantages.There are a huge range of possibilities it can create.

Organic life is chaos. This is Reaper philosophy.
Synthesis ends the chaos. It vindicates their philosophy.

Worst its borg like, like you said.

Best they become a police force to stop the threat of any species that choose not to become the hybrid in the synthetic organic conflicts.

In the middle, they could just not care.

You can't assume one way will come. You're "in game facts" are huge assumptions in themselves.

The very fact that synthesis keeps the Reapers as is, unrepentant tells me everything I need to know.

[Vigilant111]

lx_theo wrote...

Honestly, I was flipflopping which was best and which was middle when I was posting it. In the end, I decided I thought a minimalist police (like I described above in a different post) that would be powerful enough to ensure stopping such conflicts when they threatened wiping anyone out would be more effective than their own police force.

In the end, I can see it going either ways in which is better.

I don't like it, I do not want people living in fear, freedom from fear is one of the basic human rights

Removing reapers will lower the total amount of shrink fees

[lx_theo]

The Angry One wrote...

lx_theo wrote...

Nowhere does it say that it makes them intolerant to organic or synthetic life. It only says that it opens up untold floodgates in potential advantages.There are a huge range of possibilities it can create.

Organic life is chaos. This is Reaper philosophy.
Synthesis ends the chaos. It vindicates their philosophy.

Worst its borg like, like you said.

Best they become a police force to stop the threat of any species that choose not to become the hybrid in the synthetic organic conflicts.

In the middle, they could just not care.

You can't assume one way will come. You're "in game facts" are huge assumptions in themselves.

The very fact that synthesis keeps the Reapers as is, unrepentant tells me everything I need to know.

Vindicating does not mean prove, or accepted by everyone. Those differences were never taken away. The Reapers become part of the galactic society, whether they like it or not. Its not their decision to make what philosophy reigns supreme anymore.

[The Angry One]

Vigilant111 wrote...

lx_theo wrote...

Honestly, I was flipflopping which was best and which was middle when I was posting it. In the end, I decided I thought a minimalist police (like I described above in a different post) that would be powerful enough to ensure stopping such conflicts when they threatened wiping anyone out would be more effective than their own police force.

In the end, I can see it going either ways in which is better.

I don't like it, I do not want people living in fear, freedom from fear is one of the basic human rights

Removing reapers will lower the total amount of shrink fees

Nobody fears the Reapers in synthesis.

The Reapers want the best for us.
The Reapers are our friends.
The Reapers love each and every one of us.
We must give our lives for the Reapers.

All hail the Reapers!

[The Angry One]

lx_theo wrote...

Vindicating does not mean prove, or accepted by everyone.

It would, to the Reapers.

Those differences were never taken away.

Yes they were. That's the whole point.

The Reapers become part of the galactic society, whether they like it or not. Its not their decision to make what philosophy reigns supreme anymore.

They become part because they choose to. Because they now tolerate us. Hybrids are not chaotic, according to them.
Their philosophy is the only one that reigns supreme, because there are no more organics. All life is now how they are.

[lx_theo]

Vigilant111 wrote...

lx_theo wrote...

Honestly, I was flipflopping which was best and which was middle when I was posting it. In the end, I decided I thought a minimalist police (like I described above in a different post) that would be powerful enough to ensure stopping such conflicts when they threatened wiping anyone out would be more effective than their own police force.

In the end, I can see it going either ways in which is better.

I don't like it, I do not want people living in fear, freedom from fear is one of the basic human rights

Removing reapers will lower the total amount of shrink fees

That's fair enough. I'm not sure it would create any more fear than would any other police force we see around the world (good or bad), but I can see why you'd prefer other options over it if that's important to avoid to you.

[lx_theo]

The Angry One wrote...

lx_theo wrote...

Vindicating does not mean prove, or accepted by everyone.

It would, to the Reapers.

Those differences were never taken away.

Yes they were. That's the whole point.

The Reapers become part of the galactic society, whether they like it or not. Its not their decision to make what philosophy reigns supreme anymore.

They become part because they choose to. Because they now tolerate us. Hybrids are not chaotic, according to them.
Their philosophy is the only one that reigns supreme, because there are no more organics. All life is now how they are.

Doesn't matter if they don't have the choice in making it the end all be all philosophy.


No, it wasn't. The point was to give each side more in common so they never felt so little empathy for the other that they'd be willing to wipe them out. Free will still exists (and not getting the say in one choice doesn't mean it dissappears).

Given how much the society shows to advance in the course of the epilogue, its pretty much a given that the other species are powerful enough to keep the Reapers in line IF they chose to act so arrogantly on their philosophy.

[Prosarian]

This is a brilliant premise for ME4, we spend the entire game spreading synthesis throughout our local cluster of galaxies. We get to kill more weird looking aliens while we're actually saving them. Best of all, it takes into account the developer's favorite ending, so Artistic Integrity isn't compromised.

SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!

[AngryFrozenWater]

lx_theo wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

lx_theo wrote...

Vindicating does not mean prove, or accepted by everyone.

It would, to the Reapers.

Those differences were never taken away.

Yes they were. That's the whole point.

The Reapers become part of the galactic society, whether they like it or not. Its not their decision to make what philosophy reigns supreme anymore.

They become part because they choose to. Because they now tolerate us. Hybrids are not chaotic, according to them.
Their philosophy is the only one that reigns supreme, because there are no more organics. All life is now how they are.

Doesn't matter if they don't have the choice in making it the end all be all philosophy.

No, it wasn't. The point was to give each side more in common so they never felt so little empathy for the other that they'd be willing to wipe them out. Free will still exists (and not getting the say in one choice doesn't mean it dissappears).

Given how much the society shows to advance in the course of the epilogue, its pretty much a given that the other species are powerful enough to keep the Reapers in line IF they chose to act so arrogantly on their philosophy.

There are no other species anymore. The whole idea of synthesis is not policing an inevitable threat, but taking away the differences between synthetics and organics. Synthesis is supposed to unite the reapers, the husks, the synthetics and the organics that way.

[The Angry One]

I'm sorry but when you start a new society based around xenophobia, then xenophobia will be the order of the day. Now add onto that that they're now convinced synthesis is perfect (listen to how EDI talks).

They will allow the Reapers to carry on their agenda because *they now think as the Reapers do*.

[IscrewTali]

No its not an intergalactic threat. It's an interstellar threat if any. Mass Effect only has 1 galaxy, and travel between galaxies is ludicrous.

[lx_theo]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

lx_theo wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

lx_theo wrote...

Vindicating does not mean prove, or accepted by everyone.

It would, to the Reapers.

Those differences were never taken away.

Yes they were. That's the whole point.

The Reapers become part of the galactic society, whether they like it or not. Its not their decision to make what philosophy reigns supreme anymore.

They become part because they choose to. Because they now tolerate us. Hybrids are not chaotic, according to them.
Their philosophy is the only one that reigns supreme, because there are no more organics. All life is now how they are.

Doesn't matter if they don't have the choice in making it the end all be all philosophy.

No, it wasn't. The point was to give each side more in common so they never felt so little empathy for the other that they'd be willing to wipe them out. Free will still exists (and not getting the say in one choice doesn't mean it dissappears).

Given how much the society shows to advance in the course of the epilogue, its pretty much a given that the other species are powerful enough to keep the Reapers in line IF they chose to act so arrogantly on their philosophy.

There are no other species anymore. The whole idea of synthesis is not policing an inevitable threat, but taking away the differences between synthetics and organics. Synthesis is supposed to unite the reapers, the husks, the synthetics and the organics that way.

No, it blends Synthetics and Organics into one group. All species are still that species, albeit the technology now apart of them. They are still definitively them. So, physically they still have a very good amount of the ones they had before.

It also doesn't change how they think. Proof? The Catalyst said that the solution failed in the past because people were ready for it. It means that it doesn't just imbed the reaper logic into their heads.

[tettenjager]

i dont think they will become evil or anything, it is not stated anywhere in the epilogue that they feel superior or have a lust to inslave organics and synthetics

[The Angry One]

tettenjager wrote...

i dont think they will become evil or anything, it is not stated anywhere in the epilogue that they feel superior or have a lust to inslave organics and synthetics

Synthesis is partly based on the idea that organics are chaos, and chaos is oh so bad.

So what happens when a wild organic appears?

Modifié par The Angry One, 04 juillet 2012 - 10:56 .

[lx_theo]

The Angry One wrote...

I'm sorry but when you start a new society based around xenophobia, then xenophobia will be the order of the day. Now add onto that that they're now convinced synthesis is perfect (listen to how EDI talks).

They will allow the Reapers to carry on their agenda because *they now think as the Reapers do*.

That stinks of lacking logic. A society MAY be all for it if the actually governing bodies were the ones making that decisions and were the ones continuing to govern it. But this decision and change has nothing to do with how the people will go forward and make their society. They could embrace any policy in regards to pure organics and synthetics.

They do not think like the Reapers. There is zero proof of this whatsoever. It has no effect on any of these subjects.