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[RiouHotaru]

Uhhh...the only way for this supposed problem to occur is if technology advanced to the point that travel between other galaxies was possible. You do realize at the point THAT technology becomes readily available will probably be about the same time the hybrids ascend beyond their physical shells as EDI proposes they'll eventually be able to do, right?

On top of that, since ALL life was altered, even at it's most basic state, all currently evolving species are now inherently hybrids.

Even single-celled organisms.

Basically, there will never be a "pure" organic in the Synthesis Galaxy, and there won't be a "pure" synthethic unless more are made.

Modifié par RiouHotaru, 05 juillet 2012 - 02:51 .

[General User]

I wouldn't be too impressed by EDI's opinion of Synthesis. The girl has a new epiphany after every conversation she has with Shepard.

[Sarevok Synder]

Wayning_Star wrote...


lol, you've spoiled you're own arguement with the 'blame game'. The reaper isn't sentient, it's controlled from a program lost in time. Thats the only reason for the crucible, to show it the mistake, er, program error. The crucible is merely a sofware upgrade/update really, with Sheppard/organic DNA. The catalyst didn't really 'care' as that is an organic trait, no guilt, not guilty. The 'too far' was in the power obtained by the endless cycle, directly caused/implemented by organics who built the reapers. They committed the crime, by trial and error, but without intent, no law broken. It's more like a tragedy, like a rouge black hole slipping through a galaxy snacking of a massive list of star systems. Wheres a when you need one?!?http://news.national...lack-holes.html

A rouge black hole is a force of nature, there is no will behind it which can be blamed for its actions.

The Reapers are sentient, it's said so in all the games. Starbrat is sentient, it can most definitely be blamed.

[Heeden]

General User wrote...

I wouldn't be too impressed by EDI's opinion of Synthesis. The girl has a new epiphany after every conversation she has with Shepard.

To be fair she is only a few years old.

[alienatedflea]

Sarevok Synder wrote...


A rouge black hole is a force of nature, there is no will behind it which can be blamed for its actions.

The Reapers are sentient, it's said so in all the games. Starbrat is sentient, it can most definitely be blamed.

doesnt exist...remember all you anti-synthesis people say nature and evolution happens naturally...NOT forcefully...

FAIL

[Sarevok Synder]

Heeden wrote...

Sarevok Synder wrote...

Their DNA may be there in some form, but they're dead. Their individuality is gone, they are nothing now.

Citation needed.

It's an axiom that their DNA is there in some form, we saw how they were created. How do you propose an individual consciousness survives its body and brain being melted down?

[Heeden]

Sarevok Synder wrote...

A rouge black hole is a force of nature, there is no will behind it which can be blamed for its actions.

The Reapers are sentient, it's said so in all the games. Starbrat is sentient, it can most definitely be blamed.

Sentient but built to perform a function, the Catalyst is only performing according to his nature as laid down by his creators.

[Sarevok Synder]

alienatedflea wrote...


doesnt exist...remember all you anti-synthesis people say nature and evolution happens naturally...NOT forcefully...

FAIL

What doesn't exist? Fail how?

The events which led it to tear ass trough space rather than just sit there are still natural.

Modifié par Sarevok Synder, 05 juillet 2012 - 09:11 .

[Pacifien]

Spartas Husky wrote...
Also didn't EDI implied that she now understand and there is a realm of existance they can possibly achieve...

The same exact thing soverign said...

Yes, but that's also the defining characteristic of something called a technological singularity.

[Heeden]

Sarevok Synder wrote...

It's an axiom that their DNA is there in some form, we saw how they were created. How do you propose an individual consciousness survives its body and brain being melted down?

I don't know, how can Shepard be brought back to life after making planet-fall without a ship and experiencing an extended period of being dead? How can Javik read information from a room? How do Asari swap memories? How did Shep enter the Geth consensus? All space magic, but the preferred term is suitably advanced science.

[Sarevok Synder]

Heeden wrote...



Sentient but built to perform a function, the Catalyst is only performing according to his nature as laid down by his creators.

They didn't create it to Reaperise them or anyone else, it came up with that all on its own.

[Wayning_Star]

Spartas Husky wrote...

hey pagifen long time no see the cute.... w/e that is .

Also didn't EDI implied that she now understand and there is a realm of existance they can possibly achieve...

The same exact thing soverign said...

yeah, it sounded soooo much better from her tho.  soverign was distractingly overbearing to the point of insecurity. Friggen bully!!

[Spartas Husky]

Heeden wrote...

General User wrote...

I wouldn't be too impressed by EDI's opinion of Synthesis. The girl has a new epiphany after every conversation she has with Shepard.

To be fair she is only a few years old.

I gota agree.. I mean she has so much to learn. Besides she did said she only speaks with you or asks you when Jeff doesn't wish to. Meaning she only asks you right before having the next epiphany and you will shape the direction it takes.

Like somebody knowing you are reliable, and will only ask for your help if they are stuck. If you are considerate and smart you realize that person isn't taking advantage of you, but instead realize that person never will ask you for help unless she desperately needed it. Not ideal that most interactions with that person is something of a favor but its a compliment.

She doesn't ask you unless she is really stuck... she asks a lowly organic when a quantum computing machine cannot come up with an answer. That for me is a great great compliment. Not only in her ability to be humble, but in her trust in me.

So when she said that in Synthesis WHICH i DIDN'T PICK... thank you youtube... i was like... EDI is dead. That isn't the same EDI I saw in the fob. She was alive already, she told me so. She doens't need to repeat it again unless that isn't her.

Wayning_Star wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...

hey pagifen long time no see the cute.... w/e that is .

Also didn't EDI implied that she now understand and there is a realm of existance they can possibly achieve...

The same exact thing soverign said...

yeah,
it sounded soooo much better from her tho.  soverign was distractingly
overbearing to the point of insecurity. Friggen bully!!

I think you miss the point of it. Not that she is the one saying it... the fact she said it is the problem.

"WE ARE ALIVE, we will not be dsetroyed, the reapers are evil!!!"

"ok... nvm NOW we are alive, we will never be destroyed, the reapers are helping us become something more"..

really?... people cant see the similarities?

The lines between good and evil grow blurry when we are looking at people we care about.

We heard that once in a mission.

Does the idea become any better simply because is being said by EDI instead of a reaper?

Modifié par Spartas Husky, 05 juillet 2012 - 02:59 .

[Heeden]

Sarevok Synder wrote...

They didn't create it to Reaperise them or anyone else, it came up with that all on its own.

Correct, it was an unintended consequence of the task they created it to perform.

[RiouHotaru]

She says it's only now she feels truly "alive" because of what synthesis does for synthetics. It gives them the full understanding of the condition of organics and their thought processes. Basically, they become MORE organic. For EDI, it's like a blind man suddenly being able to see after going years with having adjusted to not having sight.

[Sarevok Synder]

Heeden wrote...

Sarevok Synder wrote...

It's an axiom that their DNA is there in some form, we saw how they were created. How do you propose an individual consciousness survives its body and brain being melted down?

I don't know, how can Shepard be brought back to life after making planet-fall without a ship and experiencing an extended period of being dead? How can Javik read information from a room? How do Asari swap memories? How did Shep enter the Geth consensus? All space magic, but the preferred term is suitably advanced science.

Was Shepards brain liquidised, no.
Javik using space magic to feel what happened, doesn't make the room conscious.
I've yet to see the Asari mind swap with liquid.
He used a neural link up.

[Spartas Husky]

RiouHotaru wrote...

She says it's only now she feels truly "alive" because of what synthesis does for synthetics. It gives them the full understanding of the condition of organics and their thought processes. Basically, they become MORE organic. For EDI, it's like a blind man suddenly being able to see after going years with having adjusted to not having sight.

So I guess you completed missed the FOB part did ya?

" the Short and expidient path may be the simplest, but that doesn't make it the right one"

Another quote from this game... guess people just forget things as soon as they become an obstable.

[Sarevok Synder]

Heeden wrote...



Correct, it was an unintended consequence of the task they created it to perform.

And this absolves it how? It still came up with this crap. That's like saying a murderers parents are definitely responsible for his actions.

[General User]

RiouHotaru wrote...

She says it's only now she feels truly "alive" because of what synthesis does for synthetics. It gives them the full understanding of the condition of organics and their thought processes. Basically, they become MORE organic. For EDI, it's like a blind man suddenly being able to see after going years with having adjusted to not having sight.

EDI understood love, duty, sacrifice, friendship, and respect as well as any human being ever did.  She was, by no means, "blind" prior to Synthesis.

[Heeden]

RiouHotaru wrote...

She says it's only now she feels truly "alive" because of what synthesis does for synthetics. It gives them the full understanding of the condition of organics and their thought processes. Basically, they become MORE organic. For EDI, it's like a blind man suddenly being able to see after going years with having adjusted to not having sight.

I'm fairly sure EDI had reached that state before I hit the green beam, I think she repeats it in the epilogue because it is still true, and perhaps she never reached that state on your play-through (I don't know if you can slap her down so she doesn't feel alive or not, I always liked her). Also she adds "...and I am not alone" showing the new matrixy thing everyone is in.

[Pacifien]

Spartas Husky wrote...
" the Short and expidient path may be the simplest, but that doesn't make it the right one"

Which is totally why they should have blown up the mass relays and then researched their own technology, but that's my pro-Destroy argument.

[RiouHotaru]

General User wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

She says it's only now she feels truly "alive" because of what synthesis does for synthetics. It gives them the full understanding of the condition of organics and their thought processes. Basically, they become MORE organic. For EDI, it's like a blind man suddenly being able to see after going years with having adjusted to not having sight.

EDI understood love, duty, sacrifice, friendship, and respect as well as any human being ever did.  She was, by no means, "blind" prior to Synthesis.

She understood the concept of it, but there were still parts of it she couldn't quite grasp, and the conversations involving her and Joker also show that she was slow to understand the emotional nature of a relationship.  She was definitely getting places, but she still lacked the full understanding.

Synthesis filled in that gap.

[Heeden]

Sarevok Synder wrote...

And this absolves it how? It still came up with this crap. That's like saying a murderers parents are definitely responsible for his actions.

Well if those parents heavilly indoctrinated the child to pursue a course of action, and the only way to complete it was to commit murder, and the child commited murder; I would definitely be inclined to place the blame at the parents feet and want to help the child rather than murder him in return.

[Wayning_Star]

Sarevok Synder wrote...

Heeden wrote...

Sarevok Synder wrote...

It's an axiom that their DNA is there in some form, we saw how they were created. How do you propose an individual consciousness survives its body and brain being melted down?

I don't know, how can Shepard be brought back to life after making planet-fall without a ship and experiencing an extended period of being dead? How can Javik read information from a room? How do Asari swap memories? How did Shep enter the Geth consensus? All space magic, but the preferred term is suitably advanced science.

Was Shepards brain liquidised, no.
Javik using space magic to feel what happened, doesn't make the room conscious.
I've yet to see the Asari mind swap with liquid.
He used a neural link up.

brain was frozen mush, all chemical reactions null.DNA genetic memories intact.   Javick was locked in a stasis field, no depreciation there, Asari linked with plant life as a liquid form/essence. Asari linked with Sheppard assumed spiritually. Space magic is good!!

[General User]

RiouHotaru wrote...

General User wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

She says it's only now she feels truly "alive" because of what synthesis does for synthetics. It gives them the full understanding of the condition of organics and their thought processes. Basically, they become MORE organic. For EDI, it's like a blind man suddenly being able to see after going years with having adjusted to not having sight.

EDI understood love, duty, sacrifice, friendship, and respect as well as any human being ever did.  She was, by no means, "blind" prior to Synthesis.

She understood the concept of it, but there were still parts of it she couldn't quite grasp, and the conversations involving her and Joker also show that she was slow to understand the emotional nature of a relationship.  She was definitely getting places, but she still lacked the full understanding.

Like I said, she understood as well as any human being ever did.

Synthesis filled in that gap.

Bollocks.  Human beings don't have a full understanding of the Great Mysteries and machines have even less.  How would force fusing the those two forms of life fill any sort of gap?

Modifié par General User, 05 juillet 2012 - 03:09 .